Have Bush/Cheney ever done anything that is actually illegal? Nope!

reply to post by grapesofraft



Soooo...what you're saying then is that obstruction of justice (in numerous 9/11 investigations, in flying the Bin Ladens out of the country, who very possibly had much needed info on the whereabouts of Osama, while millions of Americans where stuck on the ground), the torturing of prisoners (which is a violation of nearly every single international law passed since WWII), invading a country under false pretenses (while not illegal, certainly doesn't reflect the ideals and principles that 99.9999% of Americans hold dear), the highly illegal act of exposing the identity of an undercover CIA agent (all because of something her husband said in a country where people are supposed to have freedom of speech and press - the impeding of which is yet another illegal act), and the obvious fraud that was the 2000 presidential election - is, in fact, legal?

Dude...


...just...dude

are you serious??? even if you do not believe the bush admin was responsible for 9\11 you have to acknowledge that it DID HAPPEN on their watch.... therefore they are responsible EITHER WAY and should be hung on the white house lawn for all the world to see...i mean honestly until then we were told the pentagon was the most secure building in the world....and it gets attacked...over an hour AFTER 2 attacks in new york....anyone who thinks bush dick rice rumsfeld and the man on watch at NORAD are innocent is just as unamerican as they are....and should be hung on the white house lawn for all the world to see...seriously....stop hitting snooze and WAKE UP

reply to post by DarthChrisious


Ok these questions are answered on the previous page.

Soooo...what you're saying then is that obstruction of justice (in numerous 9/11 investigations, in flying the Bin Ladens out of the country, who very possibly had much needed info on the whereabouts of Osama, while millions of Americans where stuck on the ground),

They were not considered torture by either the Justice Dept at the time or the bipartisan members of Congress that were breifed beforehand.

the torturing of prisoners (which is a violation of nearly every single international law passed since WWII),

You answered this one yourself, plus there are other reasons posted for how this happened in this thread.

invading a country under false pretenses (while not illegal, certainly doesn't reflect the ideals and principles that 99.9999% of Americans hold dear),

Last time I checked it was not Bush or Cheney that were convicted of this.

the highly illegal act of exposing the identity of an undercover CIA agent (all because of something her husband said in a country where people are supposed to have freedom of speech and press - the impeding of which is yet another illegal act),

Proof of what you stated below or just liberal whining about loosing?

and the obvious fraud that was the 2000 presidential election - is, in fact, legal?

reply to post by max.is.awake

and furthermore if by the slightest chance it is true that lady liberty was caught with her g-string down to her puke green ankles then why oh why doesnt Obarry allow an external investigation so we can put it behind us....how long before we are told 9\11 didnt even happen

Originally posted by max.is.awake

are you serious??? even if you do not believe the bush admin was responsible for 9\11 you have to acknowledge that it DID HAPPEN on their watch.... therefore they are responsible EITHER WAY and should be hung on the white house lawn for all the world to see...i mean honestly until then we were told the pentagon was the most secure building in the world....and it gets attacked...over an hour AFTER 2 attacks in new york....anyone who thinks bush dick rice rumsfeld and the man on watch at NORAD are innocent is just as unamerican as they are....and should be hung on the white house lawn for all the world to see...seriously....stop hitting snooze and WAKE UP

Are you responsible if someone comes up and murders you?

NORAD was designed to look for incoming attacks and not so much for internal attacks.

But I love how you prove my point of people attacking with no proof. You think I should be hung just because I disagree with your view, even though I have made a case for why your beliefs may not be true.

reply to post by max.is.awake


I agree there should be another investigation, not that it will matter, because you wont believe it unless it confirms your preconceived notion of what happened.

But what the heck, Barry is spending money like a shopaholic wife at the mall, so a little more down the drain cannot hurt. At least it will create some more fake jobs.

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reply to post by grapesofraft
Now you are getting silly,O'Barry has nothing to do with this thread,
and you have still ignored my post as to why GW and GB were in Belfast on banking business in June 2008.

reply to post by grapesofraft

Ok these questions are answered on the previous page.

My time is precious. I don't read every single response in a thread, especially one that's already ten pages long. I concentrate on mine. If it's already been addressed, so be it.

They were not considered torture by either the Justice Dept at the time or the bipartisan members of Congress that were breifed beforehand.

You're right. It was considered torture long after that. It's amazing the laws you can get through Congress when you use fear as a weapon. Furthermore, just because there were some who at the time didn't consider it torture, doesn't mean it wasn't torture. I guess that's why the Republicans are still in control of Congress.

You answered this one yourself, plus there are other reasons posted for how this happened in this thread.

Yeah...still not going back and reading it.

Last time I checked it was not Bush or Cheney that were convicted of this.

Nixon was never convicted of anything during Watergate, either. But guess what? It still happened. And everybody knows he was guilty...just like Bush and Cheney.

Proof of what you stated below or just liberal whining about loosing?

First of all, it's losing*. Secondly, are you referring to proof other than the fact that Gore won or how some Florida Democratic voters were illegally prevented from voting or how Florida's outdated voting system, led by a thoroughly incompetent governor and secretary of state intentionally prevented thousands of votes from being properly counted?

reply to post by smurfy


Somebody else brought up Barry, I just replied.

What was your post about Belfast again?

hey grapes...just so you know i was NOT referring that you be hung on the White House lawn...i reread my post and realized i sounded like a jerk...and so you know i understand a little bit where you are coming from but i still think the Bush league let America down that day...and i want to see justice before this becomes another JFK....either way this is a great thread and both sides of the fence deserve a chance to speak their peace...once again sorry about my tone in the previous post

reply to post by DarthChrisious

You're right. It was considered torture long after that. It's amazing the laws you can get through Congress when you use fear as a weapon. Furthermore, just because there were some who at the time didn't consider it torture, doesn't mean it wasn't torture. I guess that's why the Republicans are still in control of Congress.

Even if it was legally considered torture today, you cannot go back and convict someone for doing something before it was illegal.

Republicans are not in control of Congress anymore.

Nixon was never convicted of anything during Watergate, either. But guess what? It still happened. And everybody knows he was guilty...just like Bush and Cheney.

Nixon would have been convicted, if Ford hadnt pardoned him for any crimes commited while in office.

First of all, it's losing*. Secondly, are you referring to proof other than the fact that Gore won or how some Florida Democratic voters were illegally prevented from voting or how Florida's outdated voting system, led by a thoroughly incompetent governor and secretary of state intentionally prevented thousands of votes from being properly counted?

Sorry for the typo, I guess I am not perfect anymore

Gore did not win the electoral college votes that are necessary to win the election. There is no proof that anything illegal was done in Florida elections. If people are too stupid to use the ballot right, whose fault is that?

Also, you do not have to read the whole thread. Only like a few people have even tried to make a case against Bush/Cheney, and I did my best to refute most of it on page 9.

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reply to post by max.is.awake


Thanks for the apology and sorry if I read it the wrong way or came across like a jerk. No hard feelings. I never get too worked up about things.

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funny thing is IMHO W had nothing to do with it....he may have his good points but i do not see him being the mastermind behind one of the greatest conspiracies of all time...his attitude and reactions during press interviews...his father was the first president to run for 3 terms from where i stand\sit and Cheney is just outright scary...i live in SD...i was here when he "accidentally" shot someone in the kisser......and the just so you guys know...the peasants they were shooting had clipped wings...someone threw them in the air for them ......no joke

reply to post by smurfy


Smurfy
I've followed world reports and Christopher Story for about the last year. Do you have any info or sources about his credibility? I have looked and havent really found much. He claims to publish a journal and I looked for but only been able to find really old volumes, like mid 90's. Im in college and have search my universities archives as well as most other universities/public libraries that our library has loan programs with which is a lot of them. None of them subscribe to it, which is a litle weird as he claims its available all over.

The stories that he weaves are intriguing, but I dont know how much credibility to give him. I also find it hard to believe that with the hatred many media outlet held towards the Bush admin that none of them would cover his stories if they were true.

reply to post by OnTheFelt


Utter Moron?

PHAQ?

Douchebag?

Yeah, I used to talk like that when I was twelve also. Your momma should wash your mouth with soap. Run along to bed now sonny, the adults are trying to have a conversation.

Originally posted by max.is.awake
funny thing is IMHO W had nothing to do with it....he may have his good points but i do not see him being the mastermind behind one of the greatest conspiracies of all time...his attitude and reactions during press interviews...his father was the first president to run for 3 terms from where i stand\sit and Cheney is just outright scary...i live in SD...i was here when he "accidentally" shot someone in the kisser...

...and the just so you guys know...the peasants they were shooting had clipped wings...someone threw them in the air for them ...

...no joke

I really hope you meant to say pheasants there...

Obvious troll is obvious.

Originally posted by MacDonagh
Obvious troll is obvious.

LOL, who are you calling a troll? If you disagree why dont you just make a case that proves that you are right and I am wrong?

Those two men are untouchable and no-one will ever prosecute them for any crime, be it a war crime or a perjury charge because it'd get laughed out of court. Hell, the U.S. haven't even brought charges on Kissinger yet and he was friends with Pinochet! Bush/Cheney are immune from scrutiny and they'll never get arrested for the amount of BS they've pulled.

And you know this.

reply to post by MacDonagh


Nobody is untouchable. I say if any of you can make a case against them based on anything but speculation and wild guesses they should be brought up on charges.