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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by jokei
Two words: Plausible deniability. Just in case I need a way out.
Why is the data and information you present incomplete?
I checked out your website, it seemed little more than the art of reading tea leaves or the like, seeking meanings in patterns that are nothing other than patterns... as humans, that's how our mind works, we try to make sense of the world, sometimes this can be seeing shapes in clouds, patterns in nature etc, but be cautious - this can lead to obsessive-compulsive behaviours.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Yes, observing patterns. This practice has lead to virtually all of science. Seeing the shaps in clouds...metorology, Looking at the decay patterns of sub-atomic particles...like they will be doing at CERN soon to find elements in anture that can't be directly observed. The pattern of bands in a gel after an electric current is applied...DNA analysis. This list continues, but suspect you don't want to see it.
You attack my matrices, but seem to have NO understanding of them. You say that they; "pretty much seem of your own making...". Well just so ya know they aren't of my own making. They were produced by comercial software (cost about $50US) from public data. Repeating them is something any 10 year old human can do. Though I venture, that only a few can understand. These matrices ARE valid evidence, if you want to disprove them; then please do so. Ya know the whole of scientific investigation is based on repeatable expirment. I do something, and you can do it too, and achieve the same results. I've provided this...now YOU should do your homework. Don't just brow-beat me till I give up on the "stupid humans" and leave, allowing you to claim another victory over the "fake alien". This sort of behavor is damned unfair to the rest of your species, and puts YOU in a bad light.
DNA evidence would be pretty useful actually, either you know about DNA and can state it is the same as human (please do if that's the case) or you don't know about DNA and would be open to being sampled.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
You say that you have visited my site, and yet you make this statement. If you have visited my site then you should know that I am indeed open to DNA testing. Under the conditions stated there. Of course, if you can think of another way to help insure that the results aren't tampered with by any corporate or gevernmental entities or other 'outside' actions, please state them and I'll think about it. The "end point" here is I AM OPEN TO DNA TESTING!
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Taking evidence or proof to the world is a two way street; if I present evidence that is beyond your current understanding, then I can reasonable expect YOU to educate yourself. Unfortunately, this only works if YOU truly want the truth.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
So I guess you can reject perfectly reasonable evidence and the one presenting it, and think "I debunked another". WHen in fact all you have done is made a fool of yourself. In the not too distant future I will have the DNA evidence I and you seek, I guess we'll see then...
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
In the mean time; for god's sake man...DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
1) Of course I can't prove anything! When a proof or evidence is presented to a groupe that is unwilling to accept it, under any conditions, and rejects it out-of-hand it becomes pretty futile.
2) If I presented evidence that I had 24 base-pair of chromosomes instead of the usual 23; you wouldn't accept that either. Y'all have illustrated that fact already.
3) And on your charge of 'childishness'; I'm 18 months old, whats your excuse?
4) None of the material I've presented is beyond you. It is ALL contained within your science, you have but to investigate and LEARN.
5) By-the-way, what my matrices show is a statistical probability, that, while not a certainty, does warrent in depth investigation...the ball is in your court.
Gee, just like the math model I have already presented...imagine that.
1) Like the earth being flat, orbited by the sun, the centre of the universe? All proven to people that didn't want to accept them, again show some proof.
2) I'd love to see that evidence... *taps foot, whistles*...
Do you know you have that and if so how?
3) Hmm, I think for the "Earth years" you've spent, you would have a better understanding of how Earthlings present arguments.
4) Lazy-mans rhetoric, yet again shifting the onus onto another to back up your claims... would you mind if I cut and pasted your matrices and put them into a thread here for some of the more puzzle/code oriented guys to look at and see what they think?
5) I refer to point 4 - also how do the statistics correlate to your word puzzles?
1) Like the earth being flat, orbited by the sun, the centre of the universe? All proven to people that didn't want to accept them, again show some proof.
2) I'd love to see that evidence... *taps foot, whistles*...
Do you know you have that and if so how?
3) Hmm, I think for the "Earth years" you've spent, you would have a better understanding of how Earthlings present arguments.
4) Lazy-mans rhetoric, yet again shifting the onus onto another to back up your claims... would you mind if I cut and pasted your matrices and put them into a thread here for some of the more puzzle/code oriented guys to look at and see what they think?
5) I refer to point 4 - also how do the statistics correlate to your word puzzles?
Not once have I mocked your horrific use of spelling, syntax and grammar.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
1) The reason for the text I used is, it was provided along with the software. After doing the same searches in the Hebrew versions, I thought I would try English language versions as well. The text I used was the best results I had in English. The selection criteria was, for the most part, arbitrary, though I was rather pleased with the result.
2) Again, I'm not trying to "pull the wool over anyone's eyes". I have been as honest and straightforward as I can. I do feel that it is reasonable to expect you to step onto the 'learning curve' and become knowledgable enough to at least begin to understand my evidence. When I was thinking about DNA evidence; I spend several weeks researching the protocols involved. Partly to see if I could do this myself (the answer there is: probably yes, but its better left to someone with real equipment), and also to know which test would produce the most useful result. Since I will probably end up paying for these tests, the fewer tests the better. The real hard one is a species "barcode", rather expensive, so I'll be starting with mitochrondrial DNA. This traces the Mother's DNA line, and presuming my DNA is indistinguishable from Human; will show that I'm not decended from Humans.
You seriously went through texts and used the one with the best results?
You do realised how far away from analytical/scientific behaviour that is right?
What about all the texts you went through that didn't quite work (or at all)?
For example, if I was bored enough or enough of a fraud I could spend time going through texts until it said whatever I wanted as could anyone.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by AnthraAndromda
I'm sorry...I didn't address all your questions...
You seriously went through texts and used the one with the best results?
Yes, I used 2 - 3 texts, and selected the results that were the most coherent. I felt that doing it this would product results that would be most eaisly understood.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
You do realised how far away from analytical/scientific behaviour that is right?
Science and statistical analysis do this all the time. Just how do you think they "proved" cigarette smoke caused cancer?
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
What about all the texts you went through that didn't quite work (or at all)?
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
For example, if I was bored enough or enough of a fraud I could spend time going through texts until it said whatever I wanted as could anyone.
In theory doing this shouldn't work. In the early work of ELS the technique was tried on other texts, "War and Peace", "Moby Dick" to name a couple, the results produced by the Hebrew texts were not present. This also 'proved' the origins of the "encoded' text...a point I don't agree with. It is my feeling that this "encoded" stuff is present in any suffeciently large body of published text, and that useful information can be extracted using ELS and other techniques.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
In any case, however, you have completely misunderstood what I was trying to say. Some of that I'm sure is my fault, I didn't render a through explaination...sorry.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Oh, have you heard the axiom that All truth contains its contradiction?
[I'm betting not]
You also avoided my question regarding Jesus for aliens - how exactly does that work in your world?
Yes, 4 seems about right. In thesummer of 1952, a craft appeared hovering over the "back 40" of the farm I was living on. According to the stories I heard, from those with better memories, it was there for several days, with an open 'door' of some sort. On one of the final days the craft was visible, I...a wee lad of 4, disappeared for the entire day. Now, we lived in rural central California, and there was no calling the police or sheriff on this issue. Besides my "earth family" probably wouldn't have done that anyway. Instead near by relatives were called, and they launched their won "hunt". They failed to find me even though there were few places for a small child to hide. It was said that I returned on my own late in the afternoon, just after the craft flew away for the day.
so that would make you 4 years old when you were told. How did that come about?
As I understand it there are very few differences between humans and us. Though, as small children, there is a very strong telepathic link with Mother. Kind of an inconvenience really, and very little privacy.I think what I like least about it mother can block her thought from me, and I cannot.
2. How are you different to humans, mentally and physically?
3. If you are the equivalent of an 18 month old, what on earth do your people look like when they reach 50 years old in their years?
Sometimes when I am writing I am trying to 'transcribe' mother's thoughts, this is a part of it. And there are times when living here on Earth seem totally alien. At my very core I know this is an alien environment for me, and there are times when I fail to suppress that.
4. I know its already been mentioned, but why do you talk as if you're living in a foreign enviroment?
5. You say you want to get off earth.. so why so fussy about obtaining DNA evidence? If you're trying to 'take matters into your own hands', then surely you'd be saving up like hell and going to more lengths to get some proper evidence? Also, how will attempts to expose yourself as being an alien help you get back to your people? Id assume that if the Government wanted to keep you on earth then they could quite easily prevent you from proving anything, and just throw you into a mental asylum for the rest of your life.
6. This is leading on from question 5... you say you own 5 high-end computers worth more than 14k... how can you claim not to have the financial resources to fund a DNA test? Just sell one of the computers!
7. 'And, now that my people are near-by, it is very likely that I would be transported abord Mother's starship, and brought back to full health.' This one's interesting... why dont you just jump in front of a car or something similar, then bobs your uncle and you're back on you're starship!