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Originally posted by Mindmelding
Stop with this cult of personality nonsense. This is the 21st century not middle ages. If Evasius wants to post his opinons on this thread, let him, if not let him be. To come here and post such betamale drivel is quite frankly insulting to those of us that would rather discuss the issue than look at doe eyed cultists swooning over their latest saviour figure.
Think for yourselves for once. Grow up. You guys are just as dangerous as the people who dream up this prophetic nonsense, it's your numbers and empowered ignorance that leads entire societies in error, because you're apparently unable to give a topic enough atention to understand it and just accept the opinions of others as doctrine. Even when they're nothing more than manipulative drivel, which may or may not be the case here. Which is probably the case here, it is almost always drivel when used as a tool of prophecy and this sort of thing is usually done with insider knowledge of projected future events so as to inspire cult admiration in lesser minds. Wake up. Religions are built, usually by psychopaths, based on this very slight of hands and entrapment of minds. And I think everyone knows the amount of misery organised religion has spewn on this world.
*sighs*
Originally posted by Mindmelding
Stop with this cult of personality nonsense. This is the 21st century not middle ages. If Evasius wants to post his opinons on this thread, let him, if not let him be. To come here and post such betamale drivel is quite frankly insulting to those of us that would rather discuss the issue than look at doe eyed cultists swooning over their latest saviour figure.
Think for yourselves for once. Grow up. You guys are just as dangerous as the people who dream up this prophetic nonsense, it's your numbers and empowered ignorance that leads entire societies in error, because you're apparently unable to give a topic enough atention to understand it and just accept the opinions of others as doctrine. Even when they're nothing more than manipulative drivel, which may or may not be the case here. Which is probably the case here, it is almost always drivel when used as a tool of prophecy and this sort of thing is usually done with insider knowledge of projected future events so as to inspire cult admiration in lesser minds. Wake up. Religions are built, usually by psychopaths, based on this very slight of hands and entrapment of minds. And I think everyone knows the amount of misery organised religion has spewn on this world.
*sighs*
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
ok - as " time wave zero " seems to be the latest ` big stir ` in the 2012 cult - it is prudent to have a closer look at just how 2012 and TWZ became intertwined
the answer ?
its a arbitrary " correlation " decided on a whim by the creators of the ` program ` -
read the creators own admission here
the time wave is zero at only one point , when x=0 . for x> 0 the value of the wave is positive , the zero point is the point in time CHOSEN to correspond to the value zero for x , the usual point used is 6 am on December 21st 2012 ( known as the zero date ) thus the time wave has a positive value for all points prior to the zero date , is zero only at the zero point and is undefined after the zero point
rather than being the ` end point ` 2012 is actually the START of the TWZ process
so its utter dishonesty to set a capricious start date - for a sequence that infact works back wards
then turn around and claim that it actually " runs " forwards - and that there is some significance to the 2012 ` end point `
the math of TWZ is actually quite revealing once you peer past the hype –
the simple summary is that you start with a series of numbers – and run them through a repetitive equation
that’s it – all there is to it
the resultant graph looks pretty and has recurring patterns – but they mean nothing , because its simply a recursive sequence – its INTENDED TO BE THAT WAY – USING THE SAME NUMBERS AND SAME EQUATRION – YOU CANNOT GET ANYTHING ELSE
even the ` starting data ` is arbitrary – you could use ANY set of numbers – and you would get a similar graph – from the same equations and yes it would have recurring patterns too and if you set the y axis of the graph to an arbitrary calendar – it produces ` resonances ` if you cherry pick events
and all ` correlations ` of events are simply forced fit patter finding – any even that ` matches ` a date is used – however vague or tenuous the ` connection `
and anything that doesn’t match is ignored
the entire ` science ` of it is UTTER TWADDLE – they started off with a conclusion , and manufactured the data to ` prove ` the claim true .
and now there is thread after thread on ATS
While I'm open to time having a fractal structure and to the concept of "the ages of man", I do tend to agree with you that the timewave is just a simplistic overlay of a fractal pattern on human history, with a "force fit" mentality underlining the whole process.
If indeed it is calculated backwards from the arbitrary start point then yes, "utter twaddle" would sum it up.
2012 is just fear based manipulation. Whatever happens on that date imo will be the manipulation of fear by economic forces in their own interest, which is par for the course in human history.
All prophecy is dangerous, because there will always be those that fit it, or even fabricate it so it fits, into their own agendas. And prophecy is really unnecessary to human endeavours, we don't need to know the future but to learn from the past...
They'll do as they did after 1999/2000 and 2003 etc and just move on to another date - and the sheeple will fall hook line and sinker once again. (Though sheeple is a bit of an unfair name because I believe sheep have longer memories and even on occasion learn from their mistakes .....
Aye, hoaxers don't like it when they're found out
I guess this timewave rubbish would have more validity if it went back 4,600,000,000 or so years - after all, in terms if history, human existance is not even a gnat on an elsphant's back.
Not that that troubles the religious or wannabe religious preachers. And lets face it, timewave is just another 'new age' wannabe religion with only a very few years to live - note: when starting an apocalyse religion, set the date just beyond your likely lifespan, than you can reap the benefits without getting the angry pitchfork waving mob coming after you when the apocaplyse (or ascension or whatever) fails to arrive
I made a statement along these lines in the timewave post. It was ignored as all the posts around it were replied to.
I just said, "Look if the creator of the graph puts the value as 0 at December 12, 2012, what's it supposed to look like?" It's only 0 there because they say it is. And just cause you have all these squiggly lines leading to an apparent singularity, doesn't automatically give it more credibility.
If in someone elses opinion, they think 12/12/2012 will be a normal day, then on their graph it's going to look much different. Really this is ridiculous if they are going to be so vague about what constitutes the value.
So I can draw a graph over the last century, and make it go to 0 everytime there is a war started. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and now I can put another 0 point in a future date say 2020 and now say, "oh hey look, there it goes." This PROVES we are going to have a war in 2020!
I may not be using the same logic as you, and your argument may be stronger than mine, but really... like you I don't understand where the credibility comes from. Because only moments into the idea I already had this question and hangup, and so far nobody has answered it.
In addition to the arbitrary end date selected, I've wondered how this correlates to Earth.
Specifically, if the same math works anywhere in our universe (or even the Milky way), does that mean that all places in the Universe or our galaxy follow the graphs of Timewave Zero?
People try to map Earth events to the changes in the graphs, but what about planetary, solar systems, and galaxies?
There has to be a variable. What is the variable and WHO DECIDES what the variable is going to be for the given day.
This isn't about the 0's in my example. I was going to use 1's or 10's instead of 0's in my example because I thought somebody might use that example as a straw man and attack the use of 0's which have nothing to do with that point. But then I thought this is ATS they will see what I mean, and lo and behold... My example, you can use 1's 2's or 10's or whatever, it doesn't change the point.
Think for yourselves for once. Grow up. You guys are just as dangerous as the people who dream up this prophetic nonsense, it's your numbers and empowered ignorance that leads entire societies in error, because you're apparently unable to give a topic enough atention to understand it and just accept the opinions of others as doctrine. Even when they're nothing more than manipulative drivel, which may or may not be the case here. Which is probably the case here, it is almost always drivel when used as a tool of prophecy and this sort of thing is usually done with insider knowledge of projected future events so as to inspire cult admiration in lesser minds. Wake up. Religions are built, usually by psychopaths, based on this very slight of hands and entrapment of minds. And I think everyone knows the amount of misery organised religion has spewn on this world.