Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study

reply to post by Kevin_X1


Actually if I understand it right, the Bible is about living under God and under God's rules and commandments. Now it allows for forgiveness but not on going sinful conduct. Not saying I agree just stating the obvious.

reply to post by grapesofraft


1. Not limited to just 2 people
Sure, why not, it wouldn't be for me, but yeah ok, no problemo.
2. Does not require consent from property. Which an animal is property.
I'm not too clear on what you mean here - is this to do with property law? I'd suggest anyone marrying get a pre-nuptial agreement/
3. Make laws changing the age of consent so that it is much lower than today, or just allow the parents consent regardless of the age of the child.
This would not be a good idea, but if it were the general consensus of a society, then yes ~ although I would personally be against it. As we're talking about consent then it would also need to take in other age relevant things, drinking, driving, gun ownership etc.
4. Allow for incestual marriage between two related consenting adults.
That's a very tricky one and the only case I've ever heard of was one where both partners were orphaned and adopted by different families and somehow ended up meeting years later as adults and never found out they were brother and sister until it was too late. So I'll simply say I don't know on that one, I don't think it's a good idea though.

reply to post by grapesofraft


That I totally agree with. I am not a Christian, although I was raised as one and used to be, but it's not my place to tell people that their ceremonies should be changed. I may not believe in them but I respect that others do and to change them is not my choice to make. Under law though, rather than religion, I do believe all people should be equal. Law is simply what the legislature passes. It often has little to do with right and wrong, concepts that change greatly over geography and time.

reply to post by jokei


See the whole point is we all have limits on what the definition of marriage should be. Some people expect us to redifine it to fit their needs but then go on to say it is not right for other groups of people to marry. That is hipocrisy commited just to get what you want without understanding the long term implications of your choice/wants.

reply to post by grapesofraft


the bibles fake. nobody but the highest eleits could so much as hear it be read, or read it themselves before martain luther. it had been edited down to having no religious significance long before that. spiritual enlightenment is dangerous for the people on top.

anyway, this is a different topic. im gone, nice debating ya

reply to post by Billy t Hill


Great points. That is why i am for civil unions under law. Maybe we should just remove the notion of marriage from law altogether and just have civil unions for everyone and leave marriage to the religions.

reply to post by CaptainCaveMan


I disagree, i had 4 cats and a female dog. Two cats were female, the other two were male. One of the male cats would be classifed as bi-sexual because he was always trying to go discovery channel with the females, and then later on go to town on the males back but knowing how the other male cat was, he probably thought he was getting an intense back massage. He would even try to have at it with the dog, but she was way to big for him. This isn't the only place I've seen this, I've observed this from other pet owners and I've seen it at the zoo plenty of times and in the wild. Homosexuality is perfectly natural, I don't know why people get so worked up over it. Maybe their own sex lives are awful, who knows.

But I'm willing to bet at one point in everyones life, no matter how much they claim to find homosexuality to be disgusting, they have thought about it. I'm as hetero as they come, but throughout my life i've thought about it. At one point I thought I was gay, so a gay friend of mine at the time just rolled his eyes, kissed me on the lips and asked: "so, you still think you're gay?" I said, nope, I'm straight, and we had a good laugh about it. So just shows that I could have made it a choice, but it would not have been "natural", I would have been forcing myself to be something I'm not. So what isn't natural is when you are trying to be someone you are not, and for anyone who is truely gay, it's as natural for them just as it's natural for any true hetero to be, straight.

I could go on with examples but unfortunately most people will not listen, it's all just a selfish ego trip. "They aren't like me, so there is something wrong with them."

reply to post by Kevin_X1


Have a good one.. Nice debating you too. Have a great night.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Kevin_X1

 

Because those are the same questions you are giving to try to justify gay marriage.

Why shouldnt a man be allowed to marry 8 wives, or 2 men and 3 wives, etc?

I see no reason to get married to so many people. If you have that many sexual partners, it would be in your interest to NOT get married.

However, as long as they're all consenting adults and have full knowledge of what they're all getting themselves into, I don't mind it.

Why shouldnt someone be allowed to marry an animal?

That's quite easy. It's not consentual, it's a different species, it's animal abuse (if you include beastiality), etc. That's a no brainer.

Why shouldnt a grown man be able to consenually marry his father?

Show me a decent amount of homosexual incest cases where the relationship isn't just lust-based and both parties want to get married and I'll answer your question honestly.

Why shouldnt a 50 year old man be able to marry a 15 year old girl?

This happens in Saudi Arabia at even higher age-gaps, unfortunately.

It's a form of child abuse. Plain and simple.

reply to post by Darth Lumina


I think a lot of animal humping behavior has to do with a display of domination. It is not about sex but about trying to show that you have power in the pack.

I think the problem is the word marriage. As I understand it what was being asked for was equality under the law rather than a Christian ceremony. I don't think that's wrong. Government dictats to change a religious ceremony to fit it's desires is just silly, it's legislating for beliefs which cannot work or, really, be anything other than divisive. Remove the word marriage and think of this as equality under the legal obligations we all have, which I think is what this 'marriage' thing was origionally about, and I have to support it.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Darth Lumina

 

I think a lot of animal humping behavior has to do with a display of domination. It is not about sex but about trying to show that you have power in the pack.

Nope, the cat in question was just a little hornball.

I'm gone for an hour and a half and I come back to find what? People who believe in an unatural religion telling gays that it is not natural, then finding people who support homosexual but couldn't even comprehend pedophilia.

Originally posted by HooHaa
reply to post by GeeGee

 

It is our ability to set up moral laws and codes of conduct. THAT is what separates us from animals. Animals kill, so by your logic, its ok for me to kill also. I mean we are animals too.....right? So if i like your spouse and prove to be stronger than you. Then its ok for me to take them, kill your offspring and substitute my own?

No, I should think not. Man is set high above the animals. Yes, we are made of dirt. Yes, we do share the same planet. But to reduce us down to an animalistic character. Sorry, I don't buy into that train of thought.

Dogs eat there own vomit. Should we?

Just because animals go after same sex partners doesn't mean its ok or natural. Especially for us humans.

I don't even think you read my post, or else you wouldn't of just re-iterated what's been said 1000 times in this thread.

Obviously, our sentience is what sets us apart to actually make those codes of conduct. However, just because we ARE sentient, doesn't mean we are so different from them. Most of our every day behaviors are mimicked in the wild. Why do you think homosexuality is so different in this case?

Homosexuality has been recorded in humans since the beginning of civilization. It is not a new phenomena.

And also, humans DO kill. How do you think your beef gets to the grocery store? What do you call hunting?

Not being rude, but this was reported years ago.

Originally posted by Darth Lumina

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Darth Lumina

 

I think a lot of animal humping behavior has to do with a display of domination. It is not about sex but about trying to show that you have power in the pack.

Nope, the cat in question was just a little hornball.

Actually, he is 100 percent correct!

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I'd think the Environmentalists would be all over this. Gay animals can not procreate and it would lead to extinction if to many become Gay.

I just had a vision of a Gay Elephant couple mating and it gave me the shivers.

I say, if you see a Gay member of a Protected or Endangered Species turn it in. Call Greenpeace. We can't have Gay animals destroying a species and hanging out in the local Greek Bath Houses.`

Actually something just like this actually happened with a technically extinct Rhino. The last possible pairing did not work because one of them was not interested in the other sex. I learned that at the San Diego Wild Animal Park.

I think there is another very large thread on this exact topic from in the last two weeks.

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I was outside working in my flower bed(lol) and was thinking about this thread. There's a big difference between homosexual BEHAVIOR and being a homosexual. There are plenty of women who wear flannel shirts, drink beer, and burp that aren't lesbians. I'm not saying all lesbians do the above, it's just an example of what is characterized by some of society as homosexual behavior( for women) but doesn't necessarily mean they are gay.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Being homosexual is a choice and nothing else.

For everyone that argues that there's a gay gene, then show some solid proof. As of today, there's no ACTUAL proof that says there's a gay gene.

Animals can do whatever they want because it's not important.

Humans being gay on the other hand is simply a choice, and it's their lifestyle, so it's NOT natural.

So tell me, what age were you when you decided, I will be attracted to the opposite sex and not the same sex? Was it when you realized you were attracted to the same sex, and made the conscious decision to "not be gay"? Or were you just attracted to the opposite sex without even thinking about it?

If you are attracted to the same sex but "decide to not be gay", then guess what, you are gay, you have just chosen to not act upon that, and so you are being dishonest with your potential opposite sex partner(s).

Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by miraclerock

 

No normal, statistically average, family, wants to have homosexual children.

Edited for clarity

Excuse me? I guess I am considered "not normal" in your book then, even though I am a married heterosexual (woman married to a man) with children. But guess what, I don't care if my children are homosexual. You know what I DO care about? It is if they are happy, content, satisfied and healthy in life and find the path that is right for THEM. Not what is right for YOU or ME! But what makes them happy, healthy, satisfied and content in life. That is what I want for my children.

I would like to change your statement to reflect what you are really saying. "No Christian, within the ideas of normal bounds of xtrian ideology, statistically xtrian average family, wants to have homosexual children. Even if that means making their children feel horrible about themselves, causing psychotic breakdowns and possible suicide.

Originally posted by Acidtastic

man wrote down what though? Some voice in his head told him this that or the other, doesn't make it any sort of fact. And as the poster above, who i quoted says, it's just an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Usually when someone hears voices in their head, they are considered psychotic and put on medication, or put in a psych ward in a hospital. But when they claim they "heard it from god", then hay that must be real then, because if you hear the voice of god you must not be psychotic.

Originally posted by Fromabove


Sin is sin and each are accountable to God.

edited for clarity

That is your opinion, not mine. Prove it otherwise. You have a belief, and nothing more. So please, stop acting as if your beliefs are the end all be all for every single person. They are NOT.

OKCBtard, I think you are supporting pedophilia, pretty sad really. I can guarantee that MOST 14 year old children, do not understand the consequences of sex with an adult. Sigh, trust me. A 14 year old is very impressionable, and it is the responsibility of the adult to not take advantage of those children. Personally, I WOULD send an adult to prison for having sex with a child. Even if at the time, that child claims they were willing, as children do not understand the consequences of such, and the adult does. Or should.

I had never heard of this site you are talking about, and you can bet I would never go to any such site, my opinion? It is sick for an adult to look at children in a sexual way. They want the attention of adults, and even when they do not feel comfortable with what is taking place, many are looking for any kind of attention, even attention that is harmful to them. I hope someone with the capability reads your posts, and hunts you down for supporting child pornography.

And for those of you who keep talking about marriage being changed at some time to include human and horses or what have you. Can that horse say "yes I do"? can the child say "yes I do" and truly understand the consequences of that? nope and nope. Consenting adults, two or even more, is a different thing. Let me repeat. Consenting........Adults......Consenting...Adults.....CONSENTING.....ADULTS Does that help? Probably not, it has been said multiple times on this thread already.

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Peace

for the many who insist that all difference must be accepted:

That is YOUR BELIEF, and thus if you Continue to FORCE that BELIEF upon others, you yourself are NOT accepting of other's beliefs...

IF you truly want to accept ALL beliefs, then you accept the belief of ritual baby killing, rape, murder, etc.. if not then you are NOT accepting those people's beliefs...

TO accept all is to ACCEPT ALL no matter what, and in the REAL world this can be VERY DANGEROUS if enacted...

So what are you people who push this on people going to do when the police, military won't protect you, and when you screaming how this person raped you, tied you up, beat you, etc.. and all the higher ups are going to say is "sorry, we must accept all beliefs, and differences", and then start to rape you, torture, AND beat you?


Yeah I bet you would change your mind on what you think now....

Remember even anarchy has rules, that rule is you must do anything you want, but remember so can the person in front of you... Alas anarchy is ONLY fun if you get to do whatever you want, and everyone else can't....

Like I said - Come visit the REAL world sometime, and you will see what I mean above...,

In other words - today, both the pro, and against homosexuality are on the same side,that, and why do many homos care to even fight the chruch?

To all who know the truth, and that is that those who ACCEPT ALL are for the most part the most hypocritical, evil beings upon this earth, and that can be proven with study, - you don't need to have a specific scientific group study with scientists - many studies can be drawn, and more accurate by just studying the world in your own back yard....

Remember if I asked any of you if you would accept my belief, no matter what - you would of said sure, and if asked if you'd accept my rituals - you'd said yes, and then I could snag a baby - put a knife thru it, cut it up, and eat it - you'd be shocked, and kick me out - thus ending your ACCEPT ALL belief... , now if you DO accept that - which is few, and those who do are not hypocritical, and idiotic, and let everyone know that they don't accept ecerything would of course accept my ritual of baby killing...
No I don't do that, but I trying to give an example of the REAL world...

In the end - there can ONLY be one belief, and one TRUTH, as the Truth is ONE, and a lie can take on many forms....

Before I leave: Remember the ol' saying: "Watch out for what you wish for, as it just may become true, and when it does you may just regret it...."

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