i hear a call for revolution.. when will we act???

i keep seeing these threads about revolution and I am tired of all this talk... if you want to seriously act against the strongest military in the world let me know... i would love to revolt and take over our government but when, when will be willing to put our lives on the line. please let me know... please.

I have been saying it for a while now, this country needs another revolution otherwise it's only going to get worse. So in short, I'm down lol.

If your talking about America, do not count on it. Sorry, These people will never revolt. Its nothing more than a pipe dream.

Well if you took away the cheese burgers it may be possible. But I do not see cheese burgers disappearing anytime soon.

I am so sorry.

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Oddly enough, I've been thinking about that too.

Watching the videos of the protesters in Iran, I noticed something. None of them seem to be overweight... at least not to the extent of most of the people I see when I go out in public.

I can't help but think this has something to do with the complacence of most Americans. Appearances are oh so important to us, and yet most people don't do anything about it.

Freedom and liberty are even less important in the minds of the average American (judging by my own 25 years of experience).

I don't mean to be pessimistic. I'm waiting, wanting, wishing as well...

Edited to add:

Maybe we should call Chuck Norris' wife. She was all about marching on Washington when they were on that Glenn Beck "We Surround Them" thing months ago.

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My signature quote below is one of the finest examples..A government that is not only operating secretly but against the good and will of the people should not be controlling the fate of millions of innocent lives.

While I'm sure just replying in this forum is enough to put us all on the "terrorist watchlist group" I don't believe in violence...I think there is something better and that is fear...Using the same fear they've used against us with their fear mongering. If the masses can pull away from the daily grind and all the other distractions being tossed at them constantly people would be able to march, protest and show the government they work for us, not the other way around. Our constitution has been destroyed before our eyes. It is true that there is nothing lower than a politician.

Whats disturbing is how much this country has to offer and its being raped infront of our own eyes for what? Things everyday seem to be just getting worse and worse. Corruption is everywhere. Police, our government, businesses...when does it end? Has everyone lost any sense of being human?

What makes someone more qualified to lead people over someone else? I don't believe anyone on this planet deserves the right to control another person let alone millions/billions....Too much power has been given and in turn it is multiplying. We see what can happen to this country when you look at Iran and China how they control the media and internet...thats just a taste...

Our forefathers are turning in their graves...and rightly so...We haven't failed...Our government has...But that doesn't mean we can just sit back and watch the flames burn...We need to protest. Stand up for our rights. Take back a country that used to be the greatest country in the world...long before a mafia took it over...This goes beyond the current administration...It includes most of the administrations.

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The idea is to become an Idea and then foment the revolution. It has to be a just revolution with a clear cause. It is NOT about fighting our military. We have brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers in the military. Our revolution must be noticed, it must be UNDERSTOOD, it must EARN legitimacy, and it must win.

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All revolutions do not have to be violent. But those who wish to effect change must be willing to experience physical, psychological, and emotional pain. They will have to be willing spend time in jail for practicing civil disobedience. They will have to be willing be seperated from their families, and be willing to deprive their families of some of life's necessities.
I am not necessarily in favor of this type, but it worked in India, and it worked in the US with the civil rights movement.
To all you doubters concerning America and a 2ond revolution: The first revolution started in Taverns, in secret conclaves, with much planning. How do you know similar things are not taking place now?

What I truly find sad is that the people are taking a more active role in protesting the chaos in Iran than standing up for their own rights in this country.

I see more demonstrations and news about Irans' botched elections than the domestic tea parties.

I gotta tell you though, the tea parties are stupid. I'm down for protesting, but that platform is just a cutesy nod to something that stood for a purpose. People originally dumped tea because it was a valued commodity that was taxed unfairly. It was a show and a rally call that they would rather do without one of their few luxuries and STAPLES of their culture than have it taxed illegally.

You want to have a protest that means something? Don't throw bags of Lipton in to a lake...dump barrels of oil and gasoline off of the ships that bring it in from Iran, Iraq, and all of the other OPEC nations.

Or how about hijacking and dumping a truckload of food from the big agribusiness companies that sell unhealthy products for outrageous prices?

That's the kind of sacrifice that the founding fathers were making. I see pictures all over the place of people hanging little tea bags over a railing smiling, thinking its all a freakin game and "I'm doing my part!" with a great big smile. Going home and watching their 1 minute of fame as the local news covers their "activism". It's a damn travesty. When did protesting become a family event? It's ridiculous and completely pointless. The government is laughing knowing that the masses have been appeased with NO, I repeat NO consequence to them.

Its the ILLUSION of making a difference. I guarantee that there wasn't a smile one while the original tea partiers were tossing those barrels. They knew what it meant and what a sacrifice it was. Not to mention what it meant if they were caught. Why do you think they disguised themselves? So they and their families wouldn't be harmed.

The whole this is crap. You want change, protest in the only way they understand. Hit them in the pocket book. But be prepared for the consequences. Be ready to be labeled a terrorist, or criminal, or un American or what ever else they want to call you to discredit your movement.

Sorry guys, I'm off my soapbox now

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I couldn't have said it better myself. So many think this is a game. A place to be like a concert. This isn't a game anymore. It hasn't been for a very long time, and it certainly isn't now.

Revolutions are just as much about ideas as they are about destroying tyranny. But without a symbol, something the people will recognize as theirs, there will never be a true revolution.

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Revolution? Well for starters the people have not spoken, only a minority faction of mostly conservatives and former Bush supporters who are not new to anti-liberal rallies. Revolutions begin across the board, where the population speaks out, not a handful of self proclaimed "patriots" who feel they can dictate the path of this nation because they have a flag on their house. The people have not spoken.

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Absolutely true. Any movement must show real sacrifice and must have a symbol to get behind. Loved your Declaration by the way.

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That's kind of the problem isn't it? As well as the point of this post. The people WON'T speak as long as they are still well fed.

I don't hate liberals and I don't love Bush. I think you make a bit of generalization there. I believe that a level approach to government is what makes the most sense. America needs new infrastructure, but they don't need watering stations in the desert to keep illegals well hydrated as they sneak in to the country. (Both Liberal ideas by the way)

My issue is when NEITHER side will take a moderate approach to governing responsibly. It's either we are war mongers or un patriotic with the Republicans or Bleeding Hearts or cold and callous capitalists with the Democrats.

That's one of my issues with the Government as it stands and I don't believe I'm alone.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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Revolution? Well for starters the people have not spoken, only a minority faction of mostly conservatives and former Bush supporters who are not new to anti-liberal rallies. Revolutions begin across the board, where the population speaks out, not a handful of self proclaimed "patriots" who feel they can dictate the path of this nation because they have a flag on their house. The people have not spoken.

Do you always just make stuff up and convieniantly forget about the past?

How many people dissented during Bush's regime? Countless. And Obama is only Bush the 3rd.

You really sound like a hard core bias Democrat. No Offense, but Democrats are actually Neo-Cons. Yep, they are New Republicans.

They sound just like the Bush supporters did a few years back. But they are claiming to hate Bush? It is so weird, its like they have been brainwashed by MSNBC.

Watch Olbermann much? Keith is Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity's clone by the way. True Facts.

Obama is a warmonger, wants to ramp up war in Afghani, Paki, and possibly get us into Iran or Syria or Somalia.
Like I said, your supporting Bush the Third.

Originally posted by midnightbrigade
That's kind of the problem isn't it? As well as the point of this post. The people WON'T speak as long as they are still well fed.

The people? Who? On april the 15th I saw 250,000 folks shouting that their taxes were raised (when it was actually lowered) waving "birth certificate" signs and "socialism". I could swear I was back at a Palin rally promoted by yours truly, fox. The people? You dont represent the people of these united states, you represent a disgruntled ideological faction. You have issues? Vote 2012.

I don't hate liberals and I don't love Bush.

I dont hate conservatives but I have a great dislike for some of em. Im sure most conservatives never liked Bush... most though after the 2006 year when they couldnt make anymore excuses for his lies and his failed policies.

I think you make a bit of generalization there.

Generalization? Do you speak for the american people? You certainly dont speak for me sorry. When I was unhappy with the 2000 elections I didnt stamp my feet and proclaim myself the only american in the room. As much as I was dissappointed I accepted that was the choice. 2004 asmuch as it angered me in the same manner. Its the will of the people, and I will vote and push my opinion in the next election cycle.

I believe that a level approach to government is what makes the most sense. America needs new infrastructure

And how exactly do you expect that new infrastructure to come about? If you dont want the government to spend and stimulate what do you expect? If you dont want socialism why do you still expect your roads to be paved every month?

My issue is when NEITHER side

Yes, everybody is neither these days. That doesnt make you anymore impartial.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
How many people dissented during Bush's regime? Countless. And Obama is only Bush the 3rd.

Since you folk hate the man so much and never voted for him I could sleep well tonight knowing he aint any 3rd of anything.

You really sound like a hard core bias Democrat.

Because I dont readily shake my head to the propaganda on here.

Watch Olbermann much?

Can you cite for me when Olbermann mislead you or lied to you? I have a list regarding fox. You notice never once in the past did I reference MSNBC?

Obama is a warmonger

Because you know he started the war in Iraq back in 2003? Where did you get that piece of information from now?

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Wow... you completely missed the whole point of my post. Try reading it again and maybe you'll see that I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you. Or better yet, go to google and pick up some reading comprehension lessons so maybe next time you won't be talking out of your ass when trying to respond to someone.

They only point that I will respond to is the point about the infrastructure. I understand and I am happy to spend my tax money on new roads and bridges, but that doesn't take socialism to do. In fact, capitalism originally built those roads and maintained them for the last 60 or so years.

I gotta tell you I think YOU are the one that is as radical as you are trying to make me out to be...just polar opposite. A Liberal Radical is just as bad as a Conservative Radical.

Damn I wish I could be as smart as you.

I believe I was trying to make a point in my OP about protesting, not calling for revolution. Then I was merely stating an observation about how pointless all the Tea Bag Protests were. I don't see what got you so riled up...oh wait...its your predisposition to hate on anything conservative because your a radical liberal. My bad...I'll stop posting cause I thought we could have a rational conversation, but that appears to be outside your realm of abilities.

I guess what my grandfather told me was true. I can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Debating you is an exercise in futility.

If you are actually talking about a *REVOLUTION* with a BIG *R*, then you should not do it on this board.

Not for violations of Terms of use, or liscence agreement, or anything like that.

This site is not exactly "Secret" from the Government....

You might as well take all of your plans, write them in a clearly written letter, and E-Mail (and Snail Mail) it to the NSA, FBI, Secret Service, White House, Congress, And the House of Representatives.

Seriously... just think about it.

They iz WATCHING US!

IF you think you are "Anonymous" on this board, and clear from the Big *G* data mining you, then you are clearly at a loss for logistical ability, and would probably fail anyways.

if you are going to start a revolution to overthrow the government... for christ sakes, DON'T do it on the MOST LIKELY PLACE on the internet for this thing to happen.

Just dumb....

Just dumb....


-Edrick

Oh, and by the way, you are never going to get a majority to participate in a revolution.

It has never happened, it never will.

The majority will merely stand idly by while the revolution succeeds or falls, adding nothing.

Most people just DO NOT CARE.

But all things considered... you don't really NEED a majority for a revolution, just 1% of the nation is still A LOT of people.

3 million or so.

-Edrick

They posion our water and make us pay the bills, effectively poisoning our neighbors. They force us to attempt murder. They dump medicines and industrial waste in the supply, no filtering of most of the chems.

They poison our air and without it we can't eat, sleep or live comfortably. A leading cause of chronic respiratory illness, likely many forms of cancer.

They cuttin children's education in a world where future battles are fought between industries to who can make the universe easiest first.

They cuttin down rainforests for paper and rope when we could be growing hemp all over the nation. Less cost to the environment, to our budget.

They say separation of church and state, yet the gov, IRS, and church are happly intertwined in marriage, which is a religious joke. No abortions? Religious. No homosexual marriage? Religious. Hell, we have a fear of muslims in this country.

Slowly they take away your means to fight back. First it was explosives. Then it was assault rifles. Then submachine guns. Now they tax your handgun bullets. Pretty soon it's shotguns and deer rifles. Then what? Knives? Infringement of our right to bear arms. They get M16s, we get .22s.

They list and arrest people for speaking their minds. A man was, in the not so distant past, arrested for saying - admittedly with no conviction whatsoever - that he wanted to kill an ex-cop for tazing a 17-yo to death.

They took ALL your money and gave it to these big time fail corporations and banks. This didn't start with Obama. Regardless, that aint how capitalism works - the small times with no chance to survive near monopolizations get fried, yet the big fail boys get a free ride? Oh, and some of it went overseas.

The regime in atm campaigned on our boys coming home. Now they are just moving to another war - when, instead of trying to make people's lives across the seas better, we could be working to make our own people happier. Don't tell me there aint ghettos, cuz rappers are still spittin the truth about it.

They won't let us question the officials' story about anything from the 3rd reich to 9/11. "They only thing to fear is fear itself." Works a lot of ways. We have to be wary of being afraid of them, lest they go unchecked. We seem to have to fear when they are afraid. And they are OBVIOUSLY afraid of the true story.


You need a symbol? How about truth? How about the right to be free of poisons? How about the right for our children to succeed in a future scientific, rational, technological, international community? How about pro choice?

Self interest is a good thing, it spurs innovation and invention, but we need to think about others sometimes, namely the poor. They have slim to null chance. With them among us, we have a greater production, cultural, social and political potential. They need our help, a far higher priority than anyone that ain't of our country. Fix our home, then fix the world. F#in' greedy hypocrites.

Anarchy doesn't seem like such a bad thing when you have greedy, imcompetent, psychotic individuals as the control group.

Last note: The answers to the real problems we, as humanity, face are right before us. Greed seems to be the greatest blockade to advancement.

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I could be wrong on this one...but 1% of the population, is 3 million..isn't that about 2 million bigger than our current armed forces?

Not to mention the patriots that would go AWOL to stand with a revolution...