Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

reply to post by Harman

One question though, i have the software at home but i seem to have trouble to get the correlations in the past. Is it something that can be done automatically or just with zooming in/out and comparing it manually?

There is a "Resonances" function within the program, however I've never had any success in using it. To get to the previous cycles, I have to select a time in the past, then set a wide timespan to see where I'm at. I then pinpoint the place in the larger (previous) cycle I want to look at and then zoom in. Unfortunately it's a lot of trial and error to get it just right.

Originally posted by Harman
Nice one! Thanks again for this

One question though, i have the software at home but i seem to have trouble to get the correlations in the past. Is it something that can be done automatically or just with zooming in/out and comparing it manually?

Anyway, love the thread and the subject. You made a McKenna fanboy out of me

The software that you're seeing clips from only runs on Windows XP and earlier. However, there a Java version that should run on your MAC that is nice, although it doesn't have as many of the capabilities.

Timewave 2012 - Timewave Calculator

It will launch a JNLP file Java Web Start a Java application.

delius

reply to post by DarrylGalasso

I was on board completely up to the point when you stated you were going to use wiki as a reference. Lol, now I find it kind of silly. Wiki may perhaps be the worst possible source for citation in the history of referencing. You might as well use Jack Spat's web page on fairy tales. Wiki is so notoriously bad that if you ever used it on a college paper, it is a guaranteed F. This is a site that is user based definitions, you might as well just ask the gas station attendant on your street corner for reference material.

I agree, it is notoriously bad, however I'm just using it for event listings, not the specific details of each event as such.

I chose Wiki because we all have access to it. If I had chosen a specific history book in my collection, you'd all just have to take my word for it.

To be honest, I dislike Wiki as well. Even the Wiki page regarding Novelty Theory has been edited by someone to include horrifically inaccurate descriptions of McKenna's work and motivations.

If you have any proposals as to what historical source would be good (and that we all have access to, please let us know).

reply to post by italkyoulisten


Fashion repeats itself only it's updated and more fitted to the time...why cant history? IDK just my 2 cents

reply to post by DangerDeath


I can't find the link right now, but the US compiled a list of "8 Insults" to goad the Japanese into attacking us. Worked like a charm. Too bad to speak of it is "crazy talk"

reply to post by John Matrix


I've tried that version, and I never found it as useful as the older DOS version believe it or not. I think it's because I haven't bothered to sit down and really work with it thoroughly - which I probably should...

What I do like is the fact that it has all perspectives of the timewave visible and ready for use, and the resonances are quickly obtained. I suppose my main concern is that there just seems to be a lack of detail in what I'm looking at. The big red blotch seems to reveal much less that a jagged white line for some reason...I think it's all just in preference.

There is also a "Timecode Calculator" developed by Gregg Braden:

www.greggbraden.com...

I'm just now getting into that - I'm finally reading his book, "Fractal Time" right now. In it he actually devotes about 4 pages to McKenna and Tiomewave Zero.

This is just getting morbid now. You're doing a countdown to what you perceive to be all of our deaths? LOL. I can't believe this. I am so tired of 2012 rhetoric.This is not just another thread huh? What is it then, something else that will hang around and promise or suggest something until the year 2012? There is truly nothing left under the sun for us to discuss.

reply to post by smarteye


When looking at those graphs I really do not see disclosure or any E.T. contact coming in the near future, that would do something drastic to the graph wouldn't it? Which would mean that this B.S. that France is going to disclosure the E.T. presence is truly nothing but B.S., if what this graph is predicting is correct. Is there a possibility that an event could randomly occur that could drastically change the graph? Like say if tomorrow another race came here and shared with us time traveling technology, or is this all set in stone? Or is this why these E.T.s (If they are here) are not revealing their presence to the masses? I think i should stop before my mind explodes all over my face....

There are people here from almost all countries around the world. Most of them must had been taught their national history in schools and thus should be able to provide corroborative information regarding specific historic events in their past.

A selection could be made as to which event would best apply, although that is probably left to individual interpretation, but is still better and more precise than the alternative (Wikipedia, etc)

Of course we must never forget that history is written by those who survived/won not those who succumbed/lost. In order to have a better retrospect on events one has to look at all angles before deciding...

Sorry, but if people are assuming time will stop at Dec 12, 2012. Then what difference does a graph make? So it goes to 0 then. That's only because 0 is the value given, or entered into a graph by whoever made it.

How else is it going to look if the person drawing the graph assumes time stops at that point? Why does a graph change anything.

Or maybe someone could explain this without using a graph.

The only reason I haven't posted this question sooner is I kept thinking someone else would.

edit: any for the sake of simplification, I don't think it will be 2012, maybe 2212, but no time soon, the world is not ready.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by Novise]

reply to post by poet1b


What happened about 15k bc?

That is ,roughly, the beginning of the Atlantic cataclisym. I was wondering the same thing until i saw your post and had an "ahah".

Just educated guess....my way back machine isnt working.

Great work!! thanks for your efforts and ongoing work!! Looking forward to more findings and facts!!

reply to post by Evasius


I like this one:

September 17 – "Battle" of Karansebes: Forces of Joseph II of Austria marching against the Turks, believing themselves attacked, starting firing at each other, causing up to 10,000 casualties.

Two days later, the Ottoman army arrived. They discovered 10,000 dead and wounded soldiers.

This can be similar to a false flag operation...

reply to post by caitlinfae

...I'm trying to explain my picture of where the spiral would go when it gets to such a tight space, and I envision it growing larger again as a negative of itself in the opposite direction, so what we experience beyond that is a mirror image of our history so far. Maybe the zero point marks the height of our "civilisation", and we will start to "regress..."

...Maybe the spiral and it's mirror image are eternal patterns that repeat endlessly, creating an infinity loop in time. Just a thought.

Time continues to exist beyond 2012, however our perceptions of it will change (due to our growing interconnectedness as a result of our technology).

I envision the cycle we're in as a mammoth spiral made up of repeating patterns. We travel from the outward arm of the spiral inwards - when we reach the center, we're flung into the next mammoth cycle...and so it goes.

An analogy would be finding ourselves accelerating to the edge of a blackhole, then being sucked in at that crucial point called the singularity, then being spat out the 'other side' in another dimension (or another time cycle). See below:
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Another way of looking at it is (you may have seen this from my original thread) perhaps the timewave is a 3d wave, and we're traversing across the ripples towards the source of the waves. Though since time doesn't exist in hyperspace, the wave is frozen, our consciousness is what provides the motion, the perceived flow of time. So we approach the source of the ripple, like a pebble thrown in a pond. Zero point resembles infinite turbulence, and then we continue on the other side along a mirrored version of the wave.

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reply to post by eniac


reality is relative..
Yours is negative, as in not exploring all reality.
Whilst ours is positive, as in open to all reality agreeable or not.
There are things to amaze but you will never know, because you have you eyes closed.

Originally posted by Phenomium
This is just getting morbid now. You're doing a countdown to what you perceive to be all of our deaths? LOL. I can't believe this. I am so tired of 2012 rhetoric.This is not just another thread huh? What is it then, something else that will hang around and promise or suggest something until the year 2012? There is truly nothing left under the sun for us to discuss.

Thanks for reading the thread, though 'reading' is a highly generous term for your initial perusal. You've basically skimmed through and made an assumption about what I thought I had made clear in my original post.

I didn't say anything about death.

We approach a major transition, or turning point, in our history. Human history occurs in cycles. These cycles are shortening as we approach the next epoch of history. You've placed your own subjective biases on my words and manipulated their meaning to fit your prior notions of 2012.

I know life is hectic, but please take the time to re-read the 4th paragraph of my introduction again. It will clear much of this up for you.

Hegel "hated" Indians for not having a concept of linear time. For them, time was circular, history was repeating.

When you translate circular movement into linear movement, what you get is a sinusoid, which is a "wave".

For Hegel, time was important, because the "Spirit" advanced in time and realized itself as "history". The end of history, the ultimate realization of Spirit.

Hegel's works have a reputation for their difficulty and for the breadth of the topics they attempt to cover. Hegel introduced a system for understanding the history of philosophy and the world itself, often described as a progression in which each successive movement emerges as a solution to the contradictions inherent in the preceding movement. For example, the French Revolution for Hegel constitutes the introduction of real individual political freedom into European societies for the first time in recorded history.

But precisely because of its absolute novelty, it is also absolutely radical: on the one hand the upsurge of violence required to carry out the revolution cannot cease to be itself, while on the other, it has already consumed its opponent. The revolution therefore has nowhere to turn but onto its own result: the hard-won freedom is consumed by a brutal Reign of Terror. History, however, progresses by learning from its mistakes: only after and precisely because of this experience can one posit the existence of a constitutional state of free citizens, embodying both the benevolent organizing power of rational government and the revolutionary ideals of freedom and equality. Hegel's remarks on the French revolution led German poet Heinrich Heine to label him "The Orléans of German Philosophy".

Hegel's dialectics is truly going "in circles". So, actually, his idea of linear time is the idea of spiral evolving towards the "Zero Point".

That's how I see it.

The Zero Point is realization of the spiritual. Time and space cease to exist because perception is reduced to pure knowledge.

In this respect, death can be understood as "knowledge", because knowledge is death to ignorance.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by DangerDeath]

Originally posted by Evasius..1788 ..

Excellent post. If anything, it prompted me to update myself on McKenna's Timewave Theory (mostly via youtube).

Ok .. if we are now currently experiencing the 'bumps of 1788', then what are the projected dates - aside from the French Revolution [circa 6-23 / 6-29] - for now until 2012?

Personally, I would like to watch / track this myself, but need a ballpark timeline to work with in that I am new to the idea of following / paralleing this novelty. In other words: How can I track this myself, using the graph, to determine any given time now and its relation to past events?

For example, what time period would December of this year correlate with?

And another question: What event on the Timeline correspondes with 2012, if any?

Thank you in advance!

Om Peace!
Yogini Valarie

reply to post by Evasius


Amazing...

Clif High's new "report" just came out tonight...just finished reading it....the similarities of the TWZ and Web Bot forecasts are uncanny...

Coupled with other projects that I'm studying...at some point you just have to admit that there is something there...

The haters will hate...that's just all they know...keep up the good work

reply to post by ogund.3

To the OP... how do you expect this 'transition' to even occur in 2012. Without death, there can be no actual transition. Thus, in physical reality.. it would be the ultimate oblivion. With the point reaching infinity in 2012, one can only assume to experience reality in a whole new light.

2012 could simply be marked by future generations at the point-of-no-return on the road of technological progress - where a technological singularity becomes unavoidable, where our destiny as a species is chosen.

Via technological connectedness, we're gradually becoming unified as not only a global community but as a true collective consciousness - one that becomes aware of events simultaneously, one that reacts to events simultaneously, one that collectively chooses the path we take beyond these turbulent times.

Death is a part of reality. There will be death just as there is death in the world everyday. I'm just saying I don't believe death will be the determining factor - I think our minds, motivations, decisions, hopes, fears...all that will all play a major part when the cycle reaches that infinitely small moment.

[edit on 16/6/09 by Evasius]