Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

reply to post by Zagari


November 17th is almost over...

reply to post by Zagari


See this is the basic of timewave zero you pin point a date and somewhere in the world there's news happening. So you say...yup that's exactly what timewave zero predicted, which you MUST take into account that news today is delivered way better then news say 50 years ago. 50 years ago it was about a news paper. Now you can access all news.

I don't see making antimatter a "timewave zero" prediction.

Originally posted by xweaponx
reply to post by Zagari

 

See this is the basic of timewave zero you pin point a date and somewhere in the world there's news happening. So you say...yup that's exactly what timewave zero predicted, which you MUST take into account that news today is delivered way better then news say 50 years ago. 50 years ago it was about a news paper. Now you can access all news.

I don't see making antimatter a "timewave zero" prediction.

Well, as people keep pointing out and other people keep forgetting - timewave isn't supposed to predict events as such, it predicts, roughly speaking, the increase of novelty / habit. The downward trend describes the increase of novelty. What was the creation of antimatter if not novel?

peace
J

Originally posted by skjalddis

Originally posted by xweaponx
reply to post by Zagari

 

See this is the basic of timewave zero you pin point a date and somewhere in the world there's news happening. So you say...yup that's exactly what timewave zero predicted, which you MUST take into account that news today is delivered way better then news say 50 years ago. 50 years ago it was about a news paper. Now you can access all news.

I don't see making antimatter a "timewave zero" prediction.

Well, as people keep pointing out and other people keep forgetting - timewave isn't supposed to predict events as such, it predicts, roughly speaking, the increase of novelty / habit. The downward trend describes the increase of novelty. What was the creation of antimatter if not novel?

peace
J

Your not understanding what I'm saying. New's is wider spread then newspapers back in the day. ANYTHING the timewave zero predicts either novelty or habit something in the WORLD will happen that day. And timewave zero fans will link it to that. Saying yup timewave zero is correct. Really timewave zero is always right. Just like I can make a prediction every day that something is going to happen. That can be a massive car crash, terrorism, technology advance, ship sinking, volcano, tornado, hurricane, etc...

Something will always happen and always be linked. Plain and simple.

Let's be clear here. Antimatter has been produced for a long time. The work that was recently published discusses antimatter lasting a long time, well a long time as far as particle physicists are concerned.

More in line with the claims here, the graph shows what is claimed to be a measure of novelty. Can anyone tell me the units of novelty? Here is a plot. It goes up and down. Why? What are the units of novelty? How can this plot be independently verified? In other words, how could someone measure novelty and compare it to the plot to see if the plot is correct? This is from a computer program. Computer programs have bugs in them. How do you verify that the program is correct?

reply to post by xweaponx


TBH I understand perfectly what you meant, and you're right - some people will do that. My point wasn't altogether that serious btw, and I am a bit fed up of this thread being derailed by people doing just what you said there, or shifting the end date around to create a concertina effect that allows the peaks and troughs to match up to the poster's chosen points. You probably wouldn't agree but there was a point at which this thread was really interesting (to me) and folk were using observation to explore possible meanings of the timewave in a much less assumptive mode. It seems to have gone completely off track since Evasius hasn't been around and all those who've tried to bring it back on track have been like voices lost in the wilderness.
Ach well..

peace
J

reply to post by stereologist


You don't really need units I guess, it's just comparative. And probably far too subjective for the scientifically-oriented mind.

why is this so confusing? timewave is metaphysical in nature, it is not 2+2=4. It is based on the Iching, which is NOT science, but metaphysical art. That process is used to work with your consciousness in ways that are unique to you to help shape your growth process.

The collective has its own interpretation of "novelty" or "moments of change" that can be seen in historical events. Many of the "events" are not even written down or publicly acknowledged. If Obama went to Asia to start a war, and, on the 14ish negotiated a deal to prevent it, and it was never publicized - did it happen?

The false notion that it "predicts the future" is absurd, it doesn't by virtue of the fact that nothing is spelled out in words. It does predict moments in ones personal consciousness when things are apt to be open to move in new directions. BUT, this is only if the person working with it has half a brain and is marginally connected to themselves. It can, in retrospect, show where the collective consciousness has altered its course by tracking recorded events.

What has been subtly done is this thread is those who can't grasp the metaphysical aspects have derailed the idea by setting up their own personal straw man. They have introduced the "it predicts the future" in order to say later that "see it doesn't predict the future." A dog is not cat, this is not a predictor of the future but a predictor of possible change that MAY be reflected in the collective consciousness, but ONLY if someone bothers to write it down and then ONLY if someone bothers to publish it and ONLY if someone reads it. If you understand the actual principals behind timewave, and you are connected with both your own inner self and the collective, you can use it. But if you are asking timewave to tell you when the next nuke attack is coming you are asking a cat to be a dog. Sadly, those who set up the straw man have inhibited their own growth process in order to be able to simply say "I told you so" to someone who doesn't care that you can say that.

Novelty has been VERY present these last few weeks. If you listen to people's language, you must actually interact with people to do so, you will hear people saying things that might seem very out of context with their previous expressions. A typical, simple, but truly wonderful example is someone who says something like, "I can no longer do what I'm doing with my life, I hate my job, am tired of the whole treadmill..." Or even one who did quit their job.

Sadly what was once an interesting thread has been reduced to residue and I would dare say it is because those who had contributed greatly have accessed their moment of novelty and moved in - as I will.

reply to post by crankyoldman


I wouldn't say Timewave is so much metaphysical...If you read the earlier threads of Evasius, he compared present events to the past one, as their echoes...
Timewave is intimately connected to history in my understanding...

The Timewave can tell you when is more likely that there will be harsh tension between countries, which periods of time will contain more technological discoveries and when is more likely that the economy goes down and up...

Its essentialy a theory about historical cycles going on in a exponential way, where the change we experienced in years in the past, is now a matter of weeks and what people did in months in the past is now matter of days.

People are forgetting that the Iran turmoil of June 2009 was intimately connected with the French Revolution and that there is a thread in here that says Deepwater Oil Spill disaster is identical to the one in 1979 and there is a thread where Usa of now is compared to Germany of the 1940s.

People are forgetting the way, intimate way, Timewave is connected to history and all the progress and feelings that come from that.
The metaphyisical part is that periods of now strongly resemble periods of the past.

Its all a matter of comparing, and you discover that Timewave can give you information about the future.
Stop thinking the future is unknown, is not anymore a " incognita ".

reply to post by skjalddis


The problem here is that you have a plot. That plot is steep and flat. It goes up and down. People are making interpretations based on the shape of the plot. From what you are saying it would be possible to construct a plot which looks quite different, yet goes up and down at the same times.

People are saying in here that the steepness of the plot is of interest. Are you saying it is meaningless?

From my perspective it seems as if people are interpreting a plot they do not understand. There are discussions about what it means and yet people do not know what the graph represents. There have been numerous comments about how 2 different sections of the plot look similar. So what? That could be meaningless. Sections of the graph that look different might be the same if the graph is nothing more than a relative plot.

reply to post by Zagari


I've asked you before about timewave. What are the units? How can the values plotted be measured independently to verify that the program is working?

I think it is fairly clear that people are discussing something they have no idea what it is. At best this appears to be a "conversation piece".

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Zagari

 

I've asked you before about timewave. What are the units? How can the values plotted be measured independently to verify that the program is working?

I think it is fairly clear that people are discussing something they have no idea what it is. At best this appears to be a "conversation piece".

Can you read? Here:

why is this so confusing? timewave is metaphysical in nature, it is not 2+2=4. It is based on the Iching, which is NOT science, but metaphysical art. That process is used to work with your consciousness in ways that are unique to you to help shape your growth process.

reply to post by Gab1159


All this tells me is that you do not know what the graph represents. You can make up all sorts of stories about metaphysics and whatever, but the data is shown as a graph. If the data does not have a numerical form, then to represent the data in a graph is fraudulent.

I'm willing to accept that the plot is a fraud. That is why I am asking about the units. That is why I am asking basic questions about the data and its representation, because I've smelled a stinker for a long time.

I don't believe that the plot is in any way connected to reality. I don't see any way in which the plot can be tested for correctness.

This has hoax written all over it.

A hoax? Have you ever even listened to Terence Mckenna? C'mon man!

reply to post by stereologist


I read many of your posts all over 2012 threads, there wouldn't be anything at all to convince you of anything, you spout hoax and impossible every 2 minutes and STILL you are present in every 2012 thread.
I'm sorry to say, and I hope you understand, that given that you don't believe in --- anything any human can believe --- you have no place in this discussion.
I know you, you would be able to cover a entire page of this thread with your comments.
This is a place for research, not for debunking.
You want to discuss, you creat YOUR own thread and you don't ruin one, you create yours, so we can follow along and discuss with you outside of this thread.
Go explaining the fallacies of this thread and see if you success.
Apparently all the threads you authored are about 2012...This says so much of you...

reply to post by rooneylives


Yes hoax. Just because someone puts on a beguiling tale does not make it so. People say Bernie Madoff and Ted Bundy were convincing and seemed trustworthy. C'mon.

reply to post by Zagari


To avoid answering any questions about this wave you ask for censorship. Not happening.

Here are a few mistakes you posted:
1. That I don't believe in things.

I do believe in knowing what someone is talking about. In the case of time wave zero it seems clear that no understands what this curve is, yet people are willing to toss out all sorts of interpretations. How can you interpret the graph or draw inferences if you don't understand what is being represented?

2. Research is being done here.

That's not true is it? If research were actually being done, then it should be easy to describe the curve. That appears to be the basis for this thread. There is a curve and people are analyzing the curve. So what is the basis for the curve? It appears to be unknown. No one seems to know what this curve is all about: its units, its computation, or how to independently verify the correctness of the plot.

3. This is not for debunking.

Of course it is. If you think that asking simple questions about the basis for this thread is threatening or even debunks this thread, then this thread is based on nothing of value. How can there be anything worthwhile if the very basis for the thread seems to be a make believe curve?

It is rather apparent that this is a hoax thread. Instead of ever having provided the support that this curve requires, you attack the messenger. That does not add any support to the claim that the time wave zero curve is useful or is based on reality or is in any way connected to reality.

This thread is about time wave zero. Does anyone have any idea how this wave can be independently tested to see if it is correct? How are measurements taken to compute this curve by hand?

reply to post by stereologist


I know exactly what the Timewave represents: the most important thing is that when certain parts of the graph appear to be the same, that is RELEVANT. That means we are repeating certain events of that decade in the past...
History is a cycle and Timewave represents it.
It could be even less important than the amount of novelty...
The cycle in which history is repeated is exponential.
Unless you understand what exponential means, you will never understand what novelty means.
Novelty is progress, the connection of our population in a global way, novelty is intimately connected to technology and all those invention that make the world more little every time...

Novelty will rise in a exponential way. It is progress, we will enter periods in which progress will be greater...
This is what to expect when the novelty rises.

What habit represents? The periods in which we are more influenced by the past, in fact the Timewave can do something: telling us when we will be more prone to war, to peace and such things.
Habit is tradition, human culture, and when habit rises, we are more connected to the old humanity of religions and traditions.
Novelty and habit are doing a sort of battle, and we know novelty will win it.

After zero date, we will change our traditions and we will become a new humanity...Don't you see that we are already different from the past humanity?

Evasius knew the Timewave was connected to history, otherwise why was he comparing the periods, calling them resonances?

We are now repeating August 1943 and 1877...

Here is what we can expect when novelty rises:
- Technological progress, Cern updates in a more accentuated way
- Weird and bizarre events that surprise the global population
- Events that disconnect us from the repetition of history and that in fact never happened before...

When the Timewave will reach zero date, we will stop to repeat historical events and we will be launched into a new age of --- new --- events...
We will be forever disconnected from the history...
Its what Mckenna said...History is only temporarily affecting us...
What we will do after zero date will be different...

History is a interference...The real humanity should live into a novel world...
In fact, is actually habit that should be weird in humanity...We are more prone to novelty...

The points where novelty is higher are the points where we are more disconnected from history...

You know, you seem distant from this research. But if you want to understand what it is about, you have to give some time, to yourself, I mean, to do your own research, because you are actually doing something that Einstein wouldn't like:
- dismiss a theory without doing your own research, or without enough facts to properly dismiss the theory
I can tell this from the fact that you seem to don't know what novelty means...

reply to post by Zagari

I know exactly what the Timewave represents:

All right then if you know what timewave is, then tell us all:
1. the units of the graph.
2. how to verify that the plot by computer programmer is correct

To claim inferences drawn from the plot are useful cannot be done until we understand what the graph is all about. That is what is lacking here.

The cycle in which history is repeated is exponential.

This is a meaningless phrase unless you know the units that the graph is in. How can you be sure of this unless you understand what the points of the graph are.

Unless you understand what exponential means, you will never understand what novelty means.

I know what exponential means. Frankly, I doubt that proponents of this plot know what the term means.

Novelty is progress, the connection of our population in a global way, novelty is intimately connected to technology and all those invention that make the world more little every time...

So how do you measure novelty to verify that the plot is correct?

Novelty will rise in a exponential way. It is progress, we will enter periods in which progress will be greater...
This is what to expect when the novelty rises.

Of course you do realize that nothing can continue to rise indefinitely at an exponential rate. Think Malthus as an early example.

Evasius knew the Timewave was connected to history, otherwise why was he comparing the periods, calling them resonances?

That's just a hopeful guess on your part. Can you demonstrate whether or not this is true. For example, can you measure novelty at several points in time and compare them to the plot to see if the plot is correct?

We are now repeating August 1943 and 1877...

Not true at all. What you should be saying is that some plot appears to be roughly the same at two places. Whether or not this graph is related to anything in reality is unknown since I have only vague claims that I cannot substantiate that this graph is related to anything real.

When the Timewave will reach zero date, we will stop to repeat historical events and we will be launched into a new age of --- new --- events...
We will be forever disconnected from the history...

Just a weird claim. You can't even tell me how to check to see if this plot is valid.

dismiss a theory without doing your own research, or without enough facts to properly dismiss the theory

Actually, I'm not trying to dismiss this theory. You are doing a fine job of that yourself. You tell us that you believe in something and you don't even know what it is. You claim this is a plot showing something and you have no idea what the graph is all about.

Sure you make up all sorts of stories about novelty and this means that and that means this, but in the ned you have no idea what novelty is.

My simple question that no seems to be able to do is:

How can you measure novelty and verify that the plot is correct?

reply to post by stereologist


Look the big picture:

From October to December 2008 novelty was very high: we had huge changes in the habitual economy status and a Black man to rule the world. Than a novel way to organize a terror attack in India...
Astrologically we had the transition from a Pluto generation to another one...Never experienced from anyone alive now...

This is enough evidence for the people who want to understand...

You know we are into a very novel period when exceptional progress and technological breakthroughs happen in the world...
November 14 novelty went down and on November 17 Cern trapped anti-matter for first time...

The answer to " Why 9/11 wasn't in anovel period? Why Deepwater is not in a novel period ? " because both of them don't have place in the novelty...
They are both repeated events from history...False-flag attack is not novelty and the Deepwater disaster is very similar to the one in 1979...
There is a thread for discussing this...

If you don't know, the Timewave graph indicates novelty in numbers...The lowest we ever had until now is October 25 2009 and we will have another lowest ever on January 17 2011, so this shows we are able to describe the amount of novelty we are currently experiencing...

Another evidence of novelty surpassing habit is the technological stuff we have now...Internet, You Tube, Twitter breaking news site...
All stuff that are completely novel for humanity...
The same novelty we are in just now is the --- same--- in numbers, amount of novelty of the period in which phone, bike and cars were invented...
Those invention were something never seen before for humanity...

I thought something exponential is destined to rise without limits, so higher to reach infinity...
If you can define it in another way, show me.

Novelty is measured essentialy in numbers...
We can say...Decade 1960s had this sum of novelty...The decade 2000s has this other sum of novelty...
We are able to say that.

In modern times, the event with the highest novelty occurred on August 6 1945...And than on October 25 2009, and than on January 17 2011, and on October 17 2011 and December 3 2011...

Knowing your way of discussing things, I bet on page 125 we will still be on the same point.

Look to the bigger picture and forget the details...In here evidence is not in details, evidence is all over the world...

Its like explaining to blind people how a blind person can define color...
A blind person wouldn't have evidence of colors, wouldn't know the existance of colors, but only because he cannot see...
What is color for me? I can see so I know the answer...
You can't see? You're not able to define color until you will see

I can't make you understand what novelty is until you realize...Is not that difficult...

I perfectly know this explanation cannot satifie you...
This is because I never saw you satisfied...
Its your job to find the evidence, enough to make you understand...
You love to debate...I make it simple but you will debate until 2012...

Everybody can see habit and traditions are disappearing and things we believed we would never experience do happen.
Flying was impossible, moon landing was impossible, Elvis was supposed to drive as a job, Mickey Mouse was supposed to be a failure in the entertainment world, and Hitler was supposed to be a painter for all of his life...
Phone was supposed to be useless, Cinema was supposed to be a failure of an invention...
Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable...
Do I have to go on?

All of you debunkers want to say that everything is science fiction, everything is impossible, but the evidence shows you guys that things were supposed to be science fiction and did happened...

Good time for Timewave to end...2012 is supposed to be the calmest, most boring year ever? Right? Nothing will ever happen?
Sure...We will see...