Time for a Revolution!

Originally posted by blind.face

Originally posted by LeftyBrown
Let's go Socialism!

Socialism has failed in every way to produce the result that it was intended to bring.

I don't need the government making my economic decisions for me.

Also, you would have to completely wipe our Constitution away in order to produce a socialistic Economy- as well as our Bill of Rights- I am not very fond of doing either.

I do agree- it's Fascism, not socialism that our Government is seeking though.

Socialism worked in the Soviet Union and also prominently in Burkina Faso. I recommend reading up on that.

reply to post by LeftyBrown


Socialism has failed in every way to produce the result that it was intended to bring.

extreme poverty should be eliminated under Socialism.. it has increased in every country is has been fully practiced in.

Am I saying Capitalism is o-so-great? Of course not. I will choose freedom over regulation any day..

reply to post by blind.face


That's not true. People in Russia are actually a lot worse off than in the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union, people were able to feed their families fine and in the present day capitalist Russia there are racist murders and homeless running rampant.

If you are implying that North Korea are Socialist then you are wrong.

reply to post by LeftyBrown


Wait wait wait.. how the hell did we go from talking about Socialism (economic policies) to racist murderers (that would have to do with social policy..)?

Again- you have ducked my statement for a second time. Socialism has failed to produce the result that is intended. And no, not everyone in the Soviet Union was able to feed their families. Provide links, I'm not going to do your research for you. And you continue to state that Socialism worked in the Soviet Union. Now for something to work, it has to produce the result intended.. correct?

Are you really telling me that there was equality on an economic level in the Soviet Union? I hope not.

And,

Where the hell have I mentioned North Korea.. but ok, I'll bite..

Socialism is to the end result of the shift from Capitalism to Communism.. North Korea is a Communist nation.. if it is an epic failure.. would not the result intended (Socialism) be an epic failure.

[edit on 6/16/2009 by blind.face]

reply to post by blind.face


Ah... there are plenty of exmples of succesful socialst governments, or governments that incorperate socialist elements. I happen to live in one and I'm just a bit north of ya.

The American fear of socialism is just another tool to keep the corrupt in power.
Resent events have provent that freemarket capitalzim doesn't work and if you take a look at the real history of corporat america, you will find a path of blood and destruction cut across this planet that makes the holicost pale by compairson.

reply to post by LeftyBrown


Also, if you want to quote all of what I said, why not reply to the other two statements I made?

reply to post by BitRaiser


The argument for me is not about.. does it work or not (Although I think socialism is deeply flawed due only to human greed, not the policies of Socialism..)

.. it's about freedom. Socialism would take what I work for and share it with others that may not be willing to work as hard as me.. that, I'm sorry, is something I would never accept.

Capitalism has it's same root problems.. Greed.

Originally posted by blind.face
reply to post by LeftyBrown

 

Wait wait wait.. how the hell did we go from talking about Socialism (economic policies) to racist murderers (that would have to do with social policy..)?

Again- you have ducked my statement for a second time. Socialism has failed to produce the result that is intended. And no, not everyone in the Soviet Union was able to feed their families. Provide links, I'm not going to do your research for you. And you continue to state that Socialism worked in the Soviet Union. Now for something to work, it has to produce the result intended.. correct?

Are you really telling me that there was equality on an economic level in the Soviet Union? I hope not.

And,

Where the hell have I mentioned North Korea.. but ok, I'll bite..

Socialism is to be the end result of the shift from Capitalism to Communism to Socialism.. North Korea is a Communist nation.. if it is an epic failure.. would not the result intended (Socialism) be an epic failure.

Wow, did you not see the "homeless" also? The racist murderers is something to throw in the bag of "How Capitalism Destroys"

Try reading "Socialism Betrayed" but from reading your statements, I'm sure you'd read one word and say "Oh, I don't understand this. Socialism is still wrong"

And what is this result you keep blabbering about? I wanna know YOUR analysis.

It's not Capitalism to Communism to Socialism, I really don't know where you learned that from. It's Socialism to Communism. Your earnings aren't taken and distributed across the population. Did you learn about Socialism/Communism from a high school textbook? Your knowledge on it is hilarious.

reply to post by LeftyBrown


The result is a worker's paradise.. prosperity and equality. That will never happen, I'm sorry. Corruption and greed will always rule- be it socialism or capitalism.

I admit that I made a mistake when typing. I have changed that to your liking.

Yes, I seen "homeless".. but only felt the need to mention racist murderers, the statement that didn't fit.

As for what I may read, or may not read.. you have failed in your assumption. I think we can both make a pretty good point if we are to assume, but that, sadly would leave the door wide open to being wrong- which you are.

It is one thing to learn about something in a textbook, and another to learn through experience. Textbook education seems to be a little more romantic than reality.

If you want to continue to assume, then you can continue.. I think it's clear that you will reach to make a point that you clearly can't in your own words.

Wow ...an easy lesson on how to derail a post.

I cant believe there are no takers....hmmmm...maybe the USA is still fast asleep.

reply to post by sueloujo


I believe there were a few takers..

I would definitely join you, if I had the means to make it there from the west coast.

reply to post by SkepticPerhaps



Have you said "HELLO" to their demestic terrorist watch list yet? If not you're now on it. Wonder how far away from me you are on the list.

I would join you if I thought it would actually accomplish something. Unfortunately I honestly believe the only things which will ever work is violence. Why do you think it's what our gov't uses and man has used since the beginning of time.

Only when peopel are in power can they use less violant means such as threats of imprisonment and garnishing your wages and posseion of your property.

Very few are willing to give their lives for their freedom, are you willing? I can sit at home and accomplish the exact same thing protests have accomplished.

Absolutely Nothing


[edit on 16/6/2009 by Revealation]

reply to post by LeftyBrown


Think again, socialism is the integration of industry to government ownership, and it's already started with GM. Unless we bottom out, our major industries will be bought out by the government to keep us from going under.

reply to post by Revealation


I won't, and refuse to resort to violence to solve the situation. If others choose so, that's their decision. The government needs it's people, if we show them numbers, they WILL respond, they haven't got a choice. Unfortunately this thread has done nothing but show me our inability to remain focused on a goal.

PS: Yeah, I'm probably on the terrorist list, but as I've stated, I don't fear death, fear of death is the only thing that can truly enslave you. As for torture... I'll admit to anything they want me to, and I'll spit in their faces while I do it, I'm sure I'll have plenty of water in my mouth to do it. Anyone who fears being taken as a "terrorist" only proves my point that America needs a revolution, and there are two kinds, the peaceful kind, and the bloody kind, and I'm starting to think that the bloody kind will come before anyone even attempts the peaceful kind.

Now please guys, stay on topic, I'm looking for yes or no answers, the rest of your post is up to you. So far that looks like 4 or 5 yes', that's it guys?

Governments control every aspect of our lives through money. In fact governments issue UNLIMITED FREE MONEY for themselves while we slave away our lives for pennies.

On an individual basis, what each of us can do is simply do as governments do. All we need to do is so simple. C---------t money to fast-crash corrupt capitalism. It is when we abolish money and force governments to automate the world, can we be truly free.

Check out my signature link.

So, it looks like I've had a few yes's, a few people calling me a socialist, and a few people claiming there's no use, looks like the latter has it. Mods, if you'd like to close this thread, I think I've seen enough, I expected a bit more from ATS of all the user bases.

reply to post by blind.face


Fully agreed about the root cause of problems being greed. I might point out the irony of you saying that right after stating that it is important to you to be able to make/have more than other people. Heh, not that there is anything wrong with earning more for working hard, but it's worth noting that this is a greedy concept.

That said, the idea that socialism means everyone is compancated the same is false. That is communism, not socalism. Socialism. Is the idea that every member od a sociaty should contribute towards that sociaty in order to provide a minimum standard. Within that framework there is huge degrees of lattitude.

Socialism can actually porovide more freedom as it protect people from the true tyrants of our age; big corporate interests.

It's worth considering

reply to post by ctjctjctj

I would like to point something out to you...
You government does not control your money. The federal reserve is a corporation. This fact is very near the root of why the whole damned system is on the edge.
Do some research. It's free enterprise that has enslaved your money.

reply to post by BitRaiser


Once again you read into my post and got out of it what you wanted to get out to prove a moot point with me.

When did I ever say that I wanted to make more than another. I said that I wanted what I earn to stay mine, and that I don't believe in giving to others for nothing. That is what I said. You read that I'm a greedy bastard.