Why Do UFOs Crash?

I don’t know why UFO’s crash……

But, what I do know is……..that if there are causalities resulting from injuries and or death at the crash site, …..for as “advanced” as Aliens suppose to be……….they have not conquered Regeneration or Immortality of their own bodies.

Now, I can’t say……that if a UFO crashed and the occupants were recovered by their own species….that wherever they take them, would have the advanced equipment to regenerate and or re-animate them back to life again.

If Aliens can die…….that means they can also be killed.

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a reply to: RCarter

what ever they are, where ever they came fro, i'd say the same as terrestrial aircraft man made craft,.

mechanical failure

shot down

natural/ atmosphere/space causes

pilot error

or any combination of the above. it really that simple

a reply to: davedat2

Thank you, davedat2, for a concise and well-reasoned post.

By some accounts there have been dozens of crashes (more than 70), yet somehow there is no evidence left behind. Even declassified government reports on the UFO phenomenon from the 1950s and 1960s lamented the lack of recovered wreckage.

UFO researchers have repeatedly claimed that these alleged crash sites were sanitized, but that seems extraordinarily unlikely. They never really clean up every trace. A leading forensic scientist once wrote, "Physical evidence cannot be wrong, it cannot perjure itself, it cannot be wholly absent. Only human failure to find it, study and understand it, can diminish its value."

If an extraterrestrial craft crashed on Earth, there should be physical evidence remaining at the crash site, even after any sort of recovery team cleaned it up. One need only look at historical incidents that are virtually indistinguishable from alleged UFO crash retrievals (as they have been described) and make a comparison.

There is nothing more secret than unacknowledged special access programs (SAPs, also known as "black" projects). Only personnel with a need-to-know are briefed in. In UFOlogy, conventional wisdom dictates that the crash of an extraterrestrial craft would be treated similarly to the crash of an unacknowledged SAP. Additionally, there is no more unambiguous directive than, "Clean up every trace." That order has been given for many SAP crash-retrievals (A-12, F-117A, D-21B, etc.), and presumably would also apply to a UFO crash.

Why is this important? Simply put, we can study historical government crash retrievals of stealth aircraft and spy planes and compare them to UFO crash retrieval stories. Interestingly, many accounts of UFO crash retrievals have a lot of elements in common with descriptions of “black” project crash recoveries:

1. The vehicle/object crashed on public or private land in relatively close proximity to a population center (city, town or rural community).

2. Civilian witnesses either saw the object crash or came across wreckage at the impact site.

3. Government/military personnel secured the crash site and kept unauthorized personnel away for as long as necessary to retrieve the debris.

4. Civilian witnesses were warned not to speak of what they saw. Unauthorized photos/film were confiscated.

5. Because of the Top Secret nature of the debris, recovery crews were ordered to give clean-up top priority.

Crash events involving SAP vehicles from Area 51 and other classified facilities share these characteristics in every detail. Yet identifiable debris still remains at these sites despite the government having had complete control of the scene and virtually limitless resources to effect the cleanup.

Whenever you hear a story about a UFO crash, you should ask, "Where is the evidence?"

In the U.S. there are aircraft crash hunting groups. I used to belong to one…long, long ago.

I can tell you that 75% of the crash sites we visited both military and civilian, pieces as small as a quarter to the size of engines and airframe pieces were found. We would obtain coordinates and once we reached those coordinates, we would spirally fan out and “FOD” walk for some distance from the center of the coordinates. One of us would eventually find something. We also would look for the traces of vehicles on the assumption that something would fall off the truck along the beaten path that they forged and used to reach the crash site. You’d be surprised that wreckage pieces would be found.

So to say, that the NTSB, FAA, or military does a meticulous clean sweep of a downed craft and retrieves every little bit……is BS.

In my opinion…..UFO crash sites will leave some sort of trace.

When aircraft crash hunting….patience and up to a few days of hunting the site is key.

Here’s just one of a few to get involved in….

AVIATION ARCHAEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION & RESEARCH

It’s actually a fun hobby, if you have the resources to do so.

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I hope this isn’t too off the subject, but I never understood that the pristine Alien UFOs, such as the alleged vehicles Bob Lazar was supposed to have reverse-engineered, are NOT crashed up but brand new.

How does that happen? The ETS gave the US government some saucers for Xmas. Or they just dropped from the sky unto area 51 nice and shiny?

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
I hope this isn’t too off the subject, but I never understood that the pristine Alien UFOs, such as the alleged vehicles Bob Lazar was supposed to have reverse-engineered, are NOT crashed up but brand new.

I think it’s just normal cleaning schedules…..



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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

LOL
That’s pretty good. If he did work, Lazar probably had nothing more than a janitor.


I wonder if there has ever been any legit ufo crash with reasonable evidence?

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: Ophiuchus1
I wonder if there has ever been any legit ufo crash with reasonable evidence?

Yes there is!

Just follow this man….



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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Back in 2003, I visited the crash site of a Lockheed A-12 that was lost during a test flight from Area 51. The official accident investigation report specified that cleanup of the site was the utmost priority. The report also contained a declassified memo from the recovery crew commander to Project Headquarters claiming "all traces of [the aircraft] removed from scene."

I also interviewed a man who had been on the recovery crew. He had never read the accident report, but he insisted that they had sanitized the site. There was "nothing left," he said. Needless to say, he was surprised when I told him I had found hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pieces of debris ranging in size from tiny rivet heads to structural fragments as much as half a meter long.

The remaining wreckage included materials and construction methods consistent with those used on the A-12, based on comparison with surviving examples in museums, archival photographs, and declassified technical manuals. Paints and coatings were similarly consistent, as were components made from distinctive composite materials. Many parts bore such markings as Lockheed Advanced Development Projects ("Skunk Works") inspection stamps and A-12 part numbers. There were even some specifically identifiable components such as access hatches, engine parts, and cockpit items.

Bear in mind that, at the time of the accident, the A-12 was an unacknowledged special access program that was protected by extraordinary security protocols. Additionally, military and government recovery personnel had complete control of the scene for as long as they deemed necessary to clean up the wreckage. They were given specific orders to clean up every trace, and effectively unlimited resources to accomplish that task. Despite these factors, you can still find identifiable physical evidence at the crash site today.

I have had similar experiences at numerous other crash sites, so I see no reason why it should not be the same for any alleged "UFO" crash location, providing that a real craft actually crashed there.

a reply to: RCarter

Why Do UFOs Crash?

Sod's Law.

a reply to: Shadowhawk

I’m in total agreement!

When I see shows that have personalities go out to crash sites for a search of UFO crash debris……it’s usually a quick cursory search ….. not in depth and over the course of days type of search with a broad swathe of ground cover.

These shows have a production schedule to meet as well as cheap on production costs and logistics. Going out on a search for a few hours don’t cut it ……imo.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Very true. On many occasions, I have had to search multiple times and cover many square miles of oftentimes rugged terrain just to locate a crash site. There have been times when I walked within a few feet of a piece of debris without seeing it. Worse yet, in the case of the A-12 that I mentioned in my earlier post, I literally drove through the middle of the crash site several times without spotting any debris. Had I stopped to look around, I would have found myself surrounded by bits and pieces. It wasn't until the sunlight caught a piece of titanium just right that I finally saw what I had been missing.

Sometimes, I stumbled across other crash sites I wasn't looking for that just happened to be in the same area. In a few cases, I found overlapping debris fields from multiple crash sites. I have even occasionally come across aircraft parts and materials that fell off in flight, and were not the result of a mishap.

a reply to: Shadowhawk

Not to get to much off topic…..but ….below, would be me back in the day and what’s left of a F3H Demon.

I guess the main point is…..given the right coordinates and possibly a direct witness of a UFO crash to backup the coordinates. ….. parts are most likely there to be found. Even if it’s as small as a screw, in the middle of no where.



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I post this….because of the thread title. Could it be that the Aliens propulsion be affected by earths gravitational waves causing the craft to wobble and undulate at slow speeds or hovering and somehow cause instances of crashing. I suspect that all crashes aren’t all at high speeds…..

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I’m reminded that the first time I heard about gravitational wave propulsion was stated by Bob Lazar.

Perhaps the Aliens type of gravitational wave propulsion works great in their home planet’s atmosphere, but not on earth. Perhaps if we humans developed gravitational wave propulsion for our earth would work …. but to use it on another planet’s would also have problems.

Below is an interesting find……

It is an International Intellectual Property Search for a gravitational wave propulsion system.

There’s an inventor named, and the company that would own the patent if able to. The company is based in Huntsville AL…… doesn’t NASA have a presence in Huntsville? Surprisingly in the cited references…..Bob Lazar is mention…..is he being taken seriously for all he said about reverse engineering Alien propulsion systems?

I’ve highlighted what I think is the highlight’s in the document.

Thoughts?





Below…Similarly…… the document shows a configured stacked array of “linear vibrators”…….and in Lazar’s depictions of the gravity wave amplifiers….they too have a stacked array of something…..

Hmmmm what a kawinkydink.



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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Just checked out Jeffery Cameron's patents and what's strange is that he worked with others on every other patent except that one. Just odd none of the other inventors wanted in on this one.

patents.justia.com...

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: RCarter

what ever they are, where ever they came fro, i'd say the same as terrestrial aircraft man made craft,.

mechanical failure

shot down

natural/ atmosphere/space causes

pilot error

or any combination of the above. it really that simple

affirmative action pilots? booze, drugs?

suicidal nutjobs are the only ones that want to drive to another planet 35 million light years away?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Just checked out Jeffery Cameron's patents and what's strange is that he worked with others on every other patent except that one. Just odd none of the other inventors wanted in on this one.

patents.justia.com...

Great Observation!

This could be a prime example of a Alien reversed engineered ‘something’ being transferred overtly to a private company with a DOD contract for further development that would not be subject to FOIA’a.

The Inventor Jeffery Cameron is a company employee and being used as an agreeable, consenting patsy, the vehicle, for the transfer due to his previous history of gaining patents…..and so would appear inoculated.

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Just checked out Jeffery Cameron's patents and what's strange is that he worked with others on every other patent except that one. Just odd none of the other inventors wanted in on this one.

patents.justia.com...

Great Observation!

This could be a prime example of a Alien reversed engineered ‘something’ being transferred overtly to a private company with a DOD contract for further development that would not be subject to FOIA’a.

The Inventor Jeffery Cameron is a company employee and being used as an agreeable, consenting patsy, the vehicle, for the transfer due to his previous history of gaining patents…..and so would appear inoculated.

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Hmm, I was going with the guy is a nutjob, but now that you gave that alternative theory, I'm getting your drift.

Do we have any solid proof of one ufo crash?

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
Do we have any solid proof of one ufo crash?

Here is an interesting article about one scientist who was asked by a government to analyze pieces of an 'alleged' UFO crash. Notice that his colleagues warned him about tarnishing his reputation. Maybe that's why there is no proof, almost all scientists won't touch this type of work.

mysteriousuniverse.org...

This scientist is brave and has done other UFOology testing. A true scientist.

In 2012, Nolan began analysis on the Atacama skeleton, a suspected alien corpse from Chile, which he later revealed to be a mummified human stillbirth with genetic bone defects and gene mutation causing deformity.[22][23][24][25][26]

He was later approached by officials and an aerospace corporation to "help them understand the medical harm that had come to some individuals, related to supposed interactions with an anomalous craft." He was chosen primarily for the types of blood analysis his lab can perform.[27] Initially via CyTOF blood analysis, he helped investigate the brains of around 100 patients, mostly "defense or governmental personnel or people working in the aerospace industry", of which a subset claimed to have seen unexplained aerial phenomena (UAP). The majority exhibited symptoms that were "basically identical to what's now called Havana syndrome" and had their brains scanned via MRI. Nolan stated that some of the brains were horribly damaged and that "what we thought was the damage across multiple individuals" turned out to be a "over-connection of neurons between the head of the caudate and the putamen" which he claims was disproportionate in this cohort compared to the general population[clarification needed]. Others have independently verified the role of the caudate in intelligence and planning.[28][29] This brain characteristic was something subjects were born with for multiple individuals in this subset.[3]

Nolan is the lead author of the first study published in a peer-reviewed journal about anomalous materials associated with UFOs. The article reviews modern analytic procedures, including mass spectrometry, for characterization, analysis, and identification of unknown materials and how such have been applied thus far to study materials that, according to witnesses, dropped from hovering UFOs such as materials of the 1977 Council Bluffs incident.[30][1][31] Since the formation of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force in 2020, multiple publications have reported on Nolan's involvement with The Pentagon and the CIA investigating samples of materials supposedly ejected at purported sites of UFO sightings.[31][1]

Nolan appeared on Fox News's Tucker Carlson Tonight[32] show on 1 August 2022 where, in an hour long interview, he discussed his UAP related research.

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