The Science of Spirit

This post is in response to some of the many threads debating the (so called lack of) science on the issue of Creation and God. Food for thought.

Following is the work of Jean Emile Charon, French nuclear physicist and engineer, who said: "The entire living kingdom from virus to Man is an obvious example of the ability of the elementary to organised itself, using knowledge beyond any which we possess."

He has written over 20 books on physics, scientific philosophy, and computer science.

Jean-Emile Charon was a physicist and engineer at the l'École Supérieur de Physique et Chimie in France and a specialist in nuclear research at the Commissariat L'Energie Atomique de Saclay.

In 1959, he moved into metaphysics while continuing to do his nuclear research, trying to extend the ideas of Albert Einstein as he searched for a unified theory to encompass the description of all physical phenomena.

Published in an English translation by the Rev. J E Anderson in 1967, Man in Search of Himself develops the theory that in the study of man's make-up, we shall find a better understanding of man's true vocation in the cosmos; and that by modelling ourselves upon Einstein's methods of General Relativity, we can produce a field language for the study of the mechanisms of life.

Charon discusses Newton, Descartes, Teilhard de Chardin, Kurt Gödel, Max Planck, Einstein, Heisenberg, and Jung. He delves into psychoanalysis and compares the languages of religion, science, and art. Embracing the past, present, and future, he traces the processes of evolution till he sees "a new humanity already on the horizon".

You can read Man in Search of Himself here.

If your interested in this find yourself a copy of "the Unknown Spirit" by Jean Charon.

Your comments appreciated.






[edit on 14-6-2009 by iulslion]

This work addresses serious questions to which I strongly feel have not really been answered, in these forums, or in the public domain.

In our world, regardless of the widespread awareness of Conspiracies to conceal the truth, the average man remains blissfully ignorant of the true nature of reality.

The problem we create for ourselves is the same as what feudal civilisations faced hundreds of years ago.

Chapter 1
It would seem impossible to doubt the reality of this world; it exists objectively, independently of ourselves; we have only to stretch out a hand to feel it.
And yet in dreams and hallucinations we believe equally in the reality of the images which are simply the product of our own minds.
The question at once arises — absurd enough at first sight, but on second thoughts perfectly sound — whether the external world may not simply be an entity that does not really exist, nothing but an image formed by the thought of each individual...

What man is accustomed to call the external world is nothing more or less than what he is capable of knowing, and is quite distinct from the real Universe itself.
One would not be far out in agreeing with the idealists that this known external world is simply the product of human thought; but one might also join the realists in claiming that the known is not the essential, since there exists a perfectly objective real world quite independently of what man is able to apprehend of it.
There is no contradiction between these two points of view as soon as one accepts, in the light of our present scientific knowledge, a more universal frame of reference, that is to say, one not subordinate to man himself.

[edit on 14-6-2009 by iulslion]

i have always thought that science in the future will embrace spirituality in entirety

however dogma will be discarded since it is bunk

here is why i think science can prove spirit as real

E=mc^2 + or -

basically this math formula means that all matter = energy

so if all matter = energy, than what is spirit?

well if "every-thing" is energy, than would the "spirit" be energy also?

IF "Spirit" exists, than it follows that it MUST be energy, because there are only 2 things in existence, Energy and Space(nothingness)

therefore, if Spirit = energy
and matter = energy

than spirit = matter

therefore all particles in the entire universe are spirit

the dirt, trees, sunlight, clouds, etc are all spirit

and this is just simple math lol

this also follows further into my realization that each particle of energy contains virtually infinite information within it's structure

for instance a quantum computer, is just an atom

shoot a photon at it (particle of light) and watch which manner the light bounces off the atom

anyhow, these atomic or quantum computers are capable of doing INFINITE calculations

it can calculate a variable with infinite variations, instantly

within each piece of "energy" or "spirit" lies an infinity of information

this actually explains so many "paranormal" events
lol

am i stupid or what? i don't understand anything here. is there more about the french guy that you can post or do i have to go read it?

what's this about spirit? do you mean consciousness or what?

Look I could try and convince you of my point of view but whats the point in that, we will just argue.
Here I am showing you a single example of scientific exploration of a universal spirit.
If you cant be bothered reading more about it then im not going to feed it to you.

[edit on 14-6-2009 by iulslion]

thanks for the info, op.
i'm not much for this, but my gut, or whatever, thinks that "function" is extremely important along these lines. Like, the "realist" definition or outlook is just a function, and what we see is the manifestation of that function. Or substitute function for purpose.

or something like that.

it's not that i can't be bothered reading it but i don't even get a sense of what it is beforehand. not trying to piss you off.

i tend to stick to the egyptian/hindu view of consciousness being more fundamental than matter. my knowledge on the subject is about as deep as a paper plate.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
well if "every-thing" is energy, than would the "spirit" be energy also?

IF "Spirit" exists, than it follows that it MUST be energy, because there are only 2 things in existence, Energy and Space(nothingness)

therefore, if Spirit = energy
and matter = energy

than spirit = matter

I don't agree with this at all. You're making an assumption that all that exists is energy and space and then jumping to the conclusion that spirit is energy is matter.

You should consider that spirit is something beyond the material world. Apart from it, yet within it.

reply to post by Praetorian Guard


The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines Spirit as "the non-physical part of a person"

Just like light and matter are both different forms of energy. (e=mc^2)

Spirit = Energy = Matter

BUT

Spirit =/= Matter

Let me explain.

Spirit and matter are opposite.
Spirit is Yang, and Matter is Yin.

The ancient Chinese would tell us this:

Nothing in the natural world escapes opposition. It is this inner contradiction which is the driving force of change, development and life itself.
We can call these opposites Yin and Yang. (Black and White, Night and Day, Dark and Light, Dense and Rarefied, Cold and Hot, Contractive and Expansive...etc)

Although opposite, Yin and Yang are interdependant. One Cannot exist without the other. They are two, and they are one.

If you would have a thing shrink,
You must first stretch it;
If you would have a thing weakened,
You must first strengthen it;
If you would have a thing laid aside,
You must first set it up;
If you would take from a thing,
You must first give to it.

Lao Tzu

Matter is the building blocks of the body, it is Yin in nature. (slow moving, dense, cold) ie Protons.
Spirit is what animates the body, it is Yang in nature. (fast moving, rarefied, hot) ie. Electrons.

This is nothing new, the Chinese have long developed a Unifying Theory; they have known and understood the nature of the Universe for thousands of years. Before we came up with the scientific method, they had already perfected it.

This theory has nothing to do with any religion. It comes directly from years of dedicated study and observation of the world.

Two facts about any Universe or any other World/words...

There is....

1/. The Observed...

2/. The Observer...


A book can Not read its Self...

But the observer or reader can if he/she understands the Language...

The universe is a little like, a book/books (The Book of Changes, involving I Ching)

But the Books are Not Consciousness or Life but are only that which is being observed or experienced by the life Force, or perhaps Consciousness.

What is it then, that observers, or is Aware of the Experience ?

Is it matter?

Or is it what some call Spirit?

Or is it something else?

Everyone seams to have a different opinion on what Spirit is.

Don't misunderstand me, as I am Not denying the spirit, but only question what humankind thinks or believes the Spirit to be.

Yes there is the "Observer" and that being "Observed", but they are two different Components!

What is being observed, is the so called material manifestation, and is unaware of anything.

Consciousness is Aware of the material experience, but is the material experience (whether material or tagged as energy) "Aware" of the Conscious Entity???

ie We know the components of the body, but are these components of the body Aware or know our Conscious Entity?

Our Conscious state is Outside the Material World, that is to say it is Not of the same substance, yet it experiences an environment through the Brain.

The Brain is merely a Biological Decoder/Encoder, that is an Interface between the Experience and The Conscious State (The Observer).

Perhaps it is the Conscious Entity, that humankind attach the word spirit to?

The Conscious sSate is Not directly controlled by the Universe.

In other words, when We feel pain, say by dropping something heavy on our foot, we experience what we call pain, as in the location of the foot, but the Consciousness suffers No pain in its Self, that being The Conscious Entity, if you follow what I am getting at.

But there is much R&D taking place in this field, gaining more knowledge about our true nature, with regard to the observer, Entity or Conscious State/Entity, which experiences through the human brain or any other biological form....

Here is an example of Yin Yang theory put to use. This is just another way of describing energy.

Google Video Link