Is Access to Health Care a Basic Human Right?

reply to post by Jakes51


Ok 2 points.

1. It doesnt take a village. It takes responsible parents.
2. What do you think happened back in the day, before they invented this idea of forcing us to help everyone through taxation, when people did not take care of their kids?

[edit on 15-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

[edit on 15-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Jakes51

 

Ok 2 points.

1. It doesnt take a village. It takes responsible parents.
2. What do you think happened back in the day, before they invented this idea of forcing us to help everyone through taxation, when people did not take care of their kids?

I'm in agreement with you I truly am, but I don't think we should let children suffer. Before they invented the idea of subsidizing everyone through taxation, the children died; but it doesn't make it right though. I don't think the government should force us to subsidize the children but if they did I wouldn't detest. Kudos to you because I think you won that debate buddy.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by Jakes51]

reply to post by Jakes51


I do think that it would be terrible to let kids die. I just dont see how the whole country isnt going to die unless we start saying no to somebody.

Where does it end? Now "free" healthcare, next free college, next free houses, free cars, free food, etc... Why the heck would anyone work if you just give it all up for taxes and end up with the same stuff that the people that dont work get?

By the way, I like debating with you too.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

I think it's not only a right but should also be a liability for the companies responsible for allowing and not preventing many illnesses like lung cancer from cigarettes etc...
seeing as how they're regulating things more and more these days, why doesn't someone regulate and track which customers, patients, casualties, workers, etc, get work related, prescription related, city related, and pollution related injuries and illnesses to have a percentage of their healthcare paid by the offending parties.
they can try to propose a carbon emissions tax and endless faux-environmentalist taxes when there is no change in our means for energy, can give away trillions more of our paid taxes while already in debt and actually have the balls to say that it's money we're in debt for?
we should be kept alive like Cheney is. I bet it's soooo nice to have everything covered, cars, houses, vacations, healthcare, life insurance, everything else insurance, etc..
I bet i could survive off of their perks alone.
all the more to get mad at. They're about to jab the pitbull in the face a few times too many, i hope we bite back hard.

I think access to health care should be a human right. Of course, I'm Norwegian, so I'm basically a spoiled brat.

When I broke a bone in my hand a few years ago, I saw my regular doctor; she sent me to the hospital for X-rays and a consult. They sent me to another doctor in the hospital to get a cast. Some weeks later, I got my cast taken off. I had then had two additional consults, plus the two different doctors I saw that day. All in all, I paid about $160. That's including all the consults, the X-rays, the material for the cast and my appointment with my regular doctor.

I saw someone mentioned going to the ER with their kid, who had strep throat. $135? Seriously? When I had strep throat, I went to my regular doctor and got some antibiotics. The appointment and consult cost me
$25. I don't remember how much the meds cost, but I think something around $30-$35 sounds about right.

Am I drowning in taxes? No, not really. Last month, I earned about $2,700. I paid about $950 in taxes, and that was actually $300 more than I should've paid. I don't care, I'll get those back next year.
And if my tax money can help a kid with cancer or a victim of an accident, then I'm glad. Hey, even if my money goes to a fat man with heart problems because he has spent his life eating away - I'm glad. 'Cause even he deserves a chance.

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?"

If healthcare isn't a basic right, then why should a lawyer be one? I would much rather my tax money go to sick people than someone that just got arrested for stealing my car or burning down my house. Sure doctors aren't cheap, but since when were lawyers? Then, if that's not bad enough tax dollars go to pay for the crook's stay at prison, which can cost up to 200 bucks per day. While in this prison he will be sure to recieve 3 square meals a day, and healthcare!

This system is really messed up...

UFOTECH, you have quite possibly one of thee most blurred and ignorant views on Socialism ever. Do you even know what Socialism is?

"Socializing a rich country cant keep it rich"? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

The United States is nothing close to a Socialist nation, never has been. Health Care should be a human right. Our society needs to progress and realize that every human being deserves it. Deserves efficient medicine attention.

of course it is. it is a crime to make people pay thousands of dollars for healthcare.

not counting say elective plastic surgery etc.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by Donnie Darko]

I can't fathom the US health system, but I have never had to experience it.

So, if you are poor, and you get sick... you don't get treatment? Or you do and end up with massive debt? Is that the case?

Excuse my ignorance, but I assumed that the US would have a decent system. Here in Australia, low income earners are supported by the health care system and get treatment free of charge. The trade off is long waiting times in the public system.

And even here, with that free health care, we still have people dying in doctors offices and waiting rooms.

My grandmother had a horrible experience where the woman she was sitting next to had been waiting an hour to see the doctor... and just died in the chair.

Recently we have had a wave of mothers having to give birth of hospital toilets because they couldn't get a bed.

So I'd hate to see what people go through with no safety net.

I personally think that basic health care should be a right, even if the system is flawed it is better than nothing.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by fooffstarr]

Originally posted by mikerussellus
When was education listed as a human right?
When it gets to "rights" where do you stop? Libs will scream about small businesses not providing healthcare to their staff. But if they do, then what? Providing cars so they can get to work?
You said above that political leaders have better healthcare. They also drive nicer cars, have nicer homes. . .

I mean, where do you draw the line?

Just throwing some thoughts out there. Not trying to sound angry, but since when do we have to GIVE anything to anyone that didn't work for it?

A car and antibiotic or chemo is not the same thing.

At some point IT WILL visit you, someone you love will be fleeced, maybe YOU

So lets just keep the PTB in place pal

Its a joke, shilling for the elite under the guise of LIBERTY

God save the queen and the less money you make the lazier you are.AMEN

Originally posted by fooffstarr
I can't fathom the US health system, but I have never had to experience it.

So, if you are poor, and you get sick... you don't get treatment? Or you do and end up with massive debt? Is that the case?



[edit on 15-6-2009 by fooffstarr]

YES that is the case... The cause is a thing called conservatism and greed

My father takes pills that are $30,000 usd a month - all against the house's mortgage
and credit cards.

MASSIVE debt or sub modern treatment.

If you are homeless they just drive you to a crappy part of town and throw you on the street.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Originally posted by skadet
I think access to health care should be a human right. Of course, I'm Norwegian, so I'm basically a spoiled brat.

When I broke a bone in my hand a few years ago, I saw my regular doctor; she sent me to the hospital for X-rays and a consult. They sent me to another doctor in the hospital to get a cast. Some weeks later, I got my cast taken off. I had then had two additional consults, plus the two different doctors I saw that day. All in all, I paid about $160. That's including all the consults, the X-rays, the material for the cast and my appointment with my regular doctor.

I saw someone mentioned going to the ER with their kid, who had strep throat. $135? Seriously? When I had strep throat, I went to my regular doctor and got some antibiotics. The appointment and consult cost me
$25. I don't remember how much the meds cost, but I think something around $30-$35 sounds about right.

Am I drowning in taxes? No, not really. Last month, I earned about $2,700. I paid about $950 in taxes, and that was actually $300 more than I should've paid. I don't care, I'll get those back next year.
And if my tax money can help a kid with cancer or a victim of an accident, then I'm glad. Hey, even if my money goes to a fat man with heart problems because he has spent his life eating away - I'm glad. 'Cause even he deserves a chance.

We will trade you for one of our conservative nazi sociopaths anyday, interested?

Frankly, NO.

I shouldn't have to pay for anyone's healthcare. I don't want to pay for some lazy fat guy who has lived on welfare for ten years, who now needs heart surgery to stay alive another five. I don't want to pay the bill for some skateboarding idiot who crushed his balls, and cracked his skull while grinding down the school ramp. I don't want to pay for every kid on my block's prescription medication for their 'ADD', ADHD', 'Bipolar disorder', an extremely autistic child, or another kid with Down.

We've become so over-sensitive about any ailment or sob story that we come across that we have talked ourselves into the ideal, irrational, and illogical socialized medicine. If you want to foot the bill for someone's medical expenses please go right ahead, but don't force me to give up my hard earned money to the government for that same ideal.

If this makes me greedy, fine. I'd rather be 'greedy', healthy, happy, and well off, than someone who's altruistic, happy, and poor.

I will pay for my health, with my own money, from the work that I've done. And if I'm so stupid that I crash my car with friends inside, then I will pay for there's, but if it's the fault of the guy I happened to have an accident with, he has to pay for my injuries along with my friend. But that situation is decided in court, and altogether a different topic.

Edit: For redundant words, and grammar.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by pointtech86]

reply to post by pointtech86


Works fine everywhere else, like I have said IT IS A MATTER OF TIME YOU or A LOVED ONE WILL EXPERIENCE A CATASTROPHIC ILLNESS eventually. BTW via health insurance
you are already paying for other peoples healthcare + paying for stipends, bonuses, bill boards, magazine ads, tv ads, lawyers, senators, congressmen, lobbyists...

You pay two times too much

make sure you fight to keep your chains ON!

Enjoy yer $15 asprin

reply to post by mental modulator


Why are you being so dramatic? Getting sick is a fact of life. Dieing is a fact of life. Nothing you do, I do, or any legislation our congresspeople vote on, is going to change that. Besides, I will decide what I will do with my own body. If I need medical assistance, I shouldn't have to rely on your tax dollars. I don't have health insurance, I save up my money for the inevitable event, that will arise when I need said medical assistance.

You do sound like you care about me and my loved ones though. I wouldn't mind if you payed for mine or their bill. Just don't expect me to do the same for you.

Indeed I believe that access to health care be available to all. I live in Canada, where we have a national health care system that guarantees all of us access to health care, which is funded through our tax dollars.

This brings up the important question of what a government exists for in the first place. It would seem that far too many governments have steered away from being the representatives working for thier people, to petty time servers who care for little beyond the next election. Corruption is rampant, and corporate interests trump the needs of the people. Why is it permissable for the government to assist large banks and corporations, but not thier own populace. The money given to the big banks and corporate interests (not to mention foreign banks) in the US has now topped 14 TRILLION dollars???? Can you imagine what could have been done with that money, for the good of the people, if it had been spent on helping people stay in thier homes, or job creation? It is important to note that when it comes to questions of national healthcare, for instance, the money can never be found, but if the very bankers who are responsible for this mess need welfare, the government is only too happy to sell you into slavery to give them all the money they need.

Does this in any way sound reasonable to you Is This really what a government is for

ok, it is not a basic right. Health care, air conditioning, electricity, they're all new, and none are rights, but just privileges.( I say air conditioning because of how inmates say its inhumane to not have it...)

reply to post by UFOTECH


You and the other poster, russel, completely misunderstood everything I wrote.
But it sure seems to me that the both of you are brainwashed. I usually don't like to assume things about someone, but since the both of you did, i'll play along. You both must be in the generations that need to die off.

Originally posted by LeftyBrown
Yes, it is.

People dying in waiting rooms because of how bad the United States healthcare system is is just pitiful.

More people die in other countries where there is "universal Healthcare" that is what is pitiful..

More people have to wait, for longer periods of time on the so called "the civilized world" which to the Left means any nation that has Socialist/Communist reforms, including in healthcare.

You want to claim how bad the healthcare system in the U.S. is, and it should be more like Canada's when Canadians have to cross the border and into the U.S. for proper care?..... Pleaase...

Originally posted by pointtech86
I shouldn't have to pay for anyone's healthcare. I don't want to pay for some lazy fat guy who has lived on welfare for ten years, who now needs heart surgery to stay alive another five. I don't want to pay the bill for some skateboarding idiot who crushed his balls, and cracked his skull while grinding down the school ramp. I don't want to pay for every kid on my block's prescription medication for their 'ADD', ADHD', 'Bipolar disorder', an extremely autistic child, or another kid with Down.

If you have health insurance, you already do. That's how it works. The cost is spread out to all the customers of that insurance company. What's the difference?

Another thing that seems to be missed is that what is being proposed is not free health care, but access to affordable health care. Members of Congress do not get free health care, nor is there only one source. They can choose from multiple insurance providers, then choose the coverage they want. The most expensive plan is $2,400 a year, or $200 a month, which pretty much everyone who is uninsured can afford. And I'm not talking crappy insurance either. Blue Cross and Blue Shield.