Airbus Air France AF447: The victims have no burns nor water in lungs

Airbus Air France AF447: The victims have no burns nor water in lungs

www.doomdaily.com

Autopsy reports from the recovered bodies from Air France AF447 show no signs of burning nor of drowning

(visit the link for the full news article)

This would indicate no explosion in mid air and would also indicate that the plane did not disintegrate open hitting the sea. What further explanations are there? Perhaps the recovered bodies are from a part of the aircraft that was not the epicenter of any explosions…This only leaves more questions.
Its a translation from German to English. It seems to make sense tho.

More questions!!!

www.doomdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

the aircraft flew apart - no burns . no water in lungs.

Here source www.kurier.at...

Maybe there was technical problem (dah!) and aircraft simply disintegrated in the air? It could be due to construction problems or simply abnormally high speed.
Any way - black box is needed.

Why is Airbus issuing an advisory?

The plane lost altitude - rapidly and broke up - no fire no chance of drowning

pray if you go in a plane one day its this quick and one hopes painless

There is no real conspiracy unless its the failure of engineers and ground staff to check vital equipment was checked

Enough with this speculation till the CAA provides some real time line to the flights demise - we owe that at least to the families and victims of this tragedy .

Originally posted by Silk
Why is Airbus issuing an advisory?

The plane lost altitude - rapidly and broke up - no fire no chance of drowning

pray if you go in a plane one day its this quick and one hopes painless

There is no real conspiracy unless its the failure of engineers and ground staff to check vital equipment was checked

Enough with this speculation till the CAA provides some real time line to the flights demise - we owe that at least to the families and victims of this tragedy .

Wise words of course and completely agree. BUT

If no water and no burns we should - as all good conspiracists should - look at how the forum members can now look at the other possibilities.

Did you see the UFO + mexican pilot story recently

No buts - it was a tragedy

and I for one don't subscribe to the UFO theory -

Deny Ignorance and for one that is just promoting it

oh and good conspiracists look for FACTS - not speculation - there are bodies

[edit on 13-6-2009 by Silk]

Originally posted by Harlequin
the aircraft flew apart - no burns . no water in lungs.

Your right only one probably killed on impact that is not a good way to die. Ive jumped out of planes to be free falling without a chute would be horrifying!

Thought id add this the bodies they recover will be the ones the furthest from the accident untill they find the main body of the craft.If it broke up in the air these passengers will most likely be from tail section since that would come down intact.



[edit on 6/13/09 by dragonridr]

reply to post by komp_uk


That link uses a text what they say is a German paper (but it points to an Austrian newspaper, that shows how good they are at reporting things...) that uses information from a Brazilian source, the newspaper "O Estado de São Paulo".

On that newspaper's site they say that the way the debris from the aeroplane were distributed already pointed to a disintegration in the air, but if the bodies are not from several different places on the aeroplane then an explosion cannot really be ruled out, a localised explosion could break the aeroplane.

The vertical stabiliser, one of the pieces found, also points to a disintegration, they are going to analyse it to see if it broke because of too much speed (it breaks from the front to the back) or because of the impact with the water (it breaks from the back to the front).

And I still can't see a possible conspiracy in this case, sometimes an accident is just an accident.

As I postulated in another thread, AF447 was struck by lightning (supercells in the area), frying the radar and most of the electronics (hence the ACARS message to maintenance). As the aircraft tried to navigate around and thru the line of thunderstorms without radar, they unintentionally flew into the core of one of the larger cells (it was dark). The sheer power of the cell caused and inflight breakup. Unfortunately, a depressurization and breakup at 35,000 feet would have everyone dying from hypoxia before they had fallen very far.

RIP passengers and crew...............

This is interesting to say the least. 16 bodies were apparently recovered but their condition/ exactly how maimed they is unknown, at least to me.

Did these bodies have lifejackets on? This could explain the absence of water in the lungs.

Perhaps the rest didn't and drowned when they hit the water, they will probably eventually pop up out of the ocean a few days or weeks later, unless their bodies are consumed by the denizens of the sea.

This from a yahoo! answers source: Fishing trawlers apparently catch more dead bodies than they would admit to. They would have to forfeit their catch if they alert the authorities to the dead body so they simply stab the corpse with a gaff hook to release the gases and the body goes down to the bottom of the sea for good.

i read somewhere that the magnetic field of world is declining and the first to suffer this shall be planes flying over the Atlantic....can this be the case?

[edit on 13-6-2009 by heineken]

Maybe there was a failure with the oxygen supply or something?

reply to post by heineken


Short answer: No

You are likely referring to something you heard about the South Atlantic Anomaly (SAA).

www.wikipedia.org...

The South Atlantic Anomaly (or SAA) is the region where Earth's inner Van Allen radiation belt makes its closest approach to the planet's surface. For a given altitude, the radiation intensity is greater within this region than elsewhere. The Van Allen radiation belts are symmetric with the Earth's magnetic axis, which is tilted with respect to the Earth's rotational axis by an angle of ~11 degrees. Because of this tilt, the inner Van Allen belt is closest to the Earth's surface over the south Atlantic ocean, and farthest from the Earth's surface over the north Pacific ocean.[2]

The South Atlantic Anomaly is of great significance to astronomical satellites and other spacecraft that orbit the Earth at several hundred kilometers altitude;...

I added the bold.

Airplanes typically are no higher than 40,000 feet (or, less than 8 SM, about 12~13 KM)

The full article is interesting reading....

Another article from Bloomberg.

Air France Probe Suggests Plane Broke Up in Air, Estado Says

June 12 (Bloomberg) -- The Air France plane that crashed June 1 may have partly broken up in the air before hitting the Atlantic Ocean, O Estado de S. Paulo reported, citing investigators it didn’t identify.

Most of the 16 bodies examined in preliminary stages of the probe into the flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris were found naked or with minimal clothing, suggesting the wind may have removed the garments, the newspaper said. The possibility of an explosion or fire in the jet is also unlikely because the bodies showed no sign of burns, Estado said.

Almost all of the bodies had multiple fractures, the paper reported. Investigators haven’t found water in the victims’ lungs, which would indicate drowning, Estado said. Bodies were found 85 kilometers (53 miles) apart, which may also indicate the Airbus A330-200 broke up before reaching the ocean, Estado reported.

Representatives from Brazil’s legal medical institute, which is conducting the body examinations in the northeastern city of Recife, weren’t immediately reachable when Bloomberg News called for comment before regular working hours.

Originally posted by Silk
The plane lost altitude - rapidly and broke up - no fire no chance of drowning

Yhea, the bodies they have found were naked or had very little clothing on... Some how the aircraft basically split open and spilled out the passengers at a high altitude.

I'm saying massive structural failure, don't really know why though.

reply to post by Now_Then


falling into stall at high speed , being bounced around inside a thunderstorm.

`coffin corner` is the name for cruise of a flight , your at a balance between mach turbulance and stalling - hence why aircraft cruise at a similar number - mach 0.83/0.84 - any faster and the transonic buffeting rears its ugly head , any slower and you stall (altitude)

which is why you hardly find flights over FL400 , the speed of sound is coming down whilst your stal speed is coming up.

Originally posted by Silk
Why is Airbus issuing an advisory?

The plane lost altitude - rapidly and broke up - no fire no chance of drowning

pray if you go in a plane one day its this quick and one hopes painless

There is no real conspiracy unless its the failure of engineers and ground staff to check vital equipment was checked

Enough with this speculation till the CAA provides some real time line to the flights demise - we owe that at least to the families and victims of this tragedy .

How do they not drown when they are in the open sea????????

putting my ass on the line here is my (opinion) on what happened:

thanks to weedwacker for some of it , sources also include pprune and tim vasquez


the aircraft whilst transiting the MCS at FL 350 @ m 0.83 was both being buffeted and likely from the IR sat data hit a pockets of warm air , warm being -5 rather than -40 , this had the effect of throwing the ADIRU out of `sync` also given the cruise would require careful calculations ; this leading to the aircraft slowing down (hotter air = more lift) , on entering the cold air again ,whilst being buffeted from the updraft in the MCS , the aircraft is now below stall speed , and enters stall warning , the crew compensate for the stall and enter a mach tuck whilst nose down in stall recovery.

here is the crux , the aircraft has eronous data from the warm air , and is being thrown around from stall/mach 1 , and being bounced around inside the MCS - a combination of factors leading to the aircraft simply flying apart from the stress.


any thoughts?

[edit on 13/6/09 by Harlequin]