Googol-sized Particles Larger Than Thousands of Galaxies Fill the Universe -New Discovery

reply to post by debunky


Hi debunky! You don’t seem to have got the point. I’m not even talking about Linear equations, Quadratic, Exponential, Cubic, Quartic, Biquadratic Radical equations or Absolute value equations, that you have probably implied. All these are two dimensional. What I was referring to were three/four or more dimensional equations. There's a world of a difference between the two!

Still don’t get it? Ok, think of the usual two dimensional chess game with a 2D board. Now try playing the game on a 3D board! Or a four/five dimensional board. Can you even begin to comprehend this? Impossible, because thinking beyond three dimensions is impossible in our present state of development.

And until we achieve this advanced state of mind, we will never be able to understand what the universe is all about because there are many more dimensions that have to be taken into account before understanding its complexities. And at this juncture we haven’t the faintest clue!

And thus they’ll continue propagating bizarre theories like giant nutrinos half the size of the universe and super massive black holes that just have to exist in order to rationalize those mathematical equations - or face the danger of a cut in their funding for producing zilch results!

Cheers!




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reply to post by warrenb


I've always thought of this as a possibility, if there is always something we are capable of seeing there's always something we're not. Now I didn't think it would be on this same sort of gargantuan scale but thats what makes science absolutely amazing, the power of new discovery.

this is actually pretty darn neat in my opinion. But think of it this way.. if theyre are particles out there that no one has thought of. then why couldnt there be life out there? makes no sense to me. i know you cant compare the two like this but. just think about it.

i thought it would be cool if the universe was 1 canvas only repeated by timeframes. here and therefore you could when understood travel to the beginning of certain planet formations and the end of them as well as importnant maturing stages in between. think of it as copies of the earliest galaxy formations that are indeed the furhtest away from us as possible= "the beginning of galaxy formation to present day if you can call it this the most weathered trafficked and modern of galactic time. this is just thought for sustenance nothing serious...take the theory and drag it through the street.

time and space have always been co-existent.

also to everyone in the thread knowledge is power and power has been forever misused and if in fact we understand life and how it became to be the first ones to realize it and bring it to fruition will not share but also abuse the information.

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This is something new to me it's macro macro. I love this stuff even though I don't understand allot theres always enough to keep me in wonder and awe. I'm grateful for my curiosity and the wonder of the universe. At any rate good post and thanks!!

nice theory but for now it's just that - a theory. the particles are not huge, it's just a metaphor. theoretically they could appear like the CMB but it's the echo of that particle from billions of years ago. of course it could also be that those echos from back then are the black matter/energy from now.

I don't think I can believe this as reality because in all logic, they are implying mass is being added to some extent. Something so small being stretched for so long simply would find the most vacuumed area and relocate to it.

What's doing the stretching? These things are not stationary, they move almost the speed of light. So what is pulling them to stretch? They are ON our plane of reality, so they should follow suit with the same rules and regulations of the electron, quark, etc etc.

Why don't the first electrons do the same? Why can't we do the same with electrons now in the CERN accelerator?

Very simply, this denies the fact that the particles are particles. They are acting like they are beams of the universe's structure, stretching with it. uh, no, they are particles. When you stretch a home, the gas in it just spreads out.


Science fail.

reply to post by mikesingh

You don’t seem to have got the point. I’m not even talking about Linear equations, Quadratic, Exponential, Cubic, Quartic, Biquadratic Radical equations or Absolute value equations

You forgot the Tri-bi Cubic-hyperquadratic/Omniexponential/Hypersaptial with Subspatial manifold world volume equation Mike!!!!!!!





Seriously though, you are right on about it being impossible to understand or visualize extra dimensions, right now we can not do it. The closest we can do is use vague mathematical formulas based solely on postulates themselves! Although there is some good work right now in theoretical physics and some basic understandings of potential models for hyperdimensional spaces. Heck we can't even make an adequate 3 dimensional representation of our space! Let alone adding time into it. It is also not all that super easy to conceptualize zero, one, and two dimensional spaces in a true extent and detail. We as a race are still VERY YOUNG, but we are learning.

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I don't know why people claim humans think in 2d. I think in 3d. I draw graphs with 3d x y z axis in my head. I can model a galaxy and enter it in 3d in my mind. I can sculpt in my mind in 3d. Why people claim that humans think in 2d when I'm thinking in 3d all the time?

Any way, I said it back a bit. This is physically impossible because these particles travel as fast as light and, in accordance with the ideal gas laws, would just find the nearest vacuum to go to. A particle cannot stretch like this if it is a particle. It can, under our guidance, be a quantum wave, like with electrons. But a particle like this cannot do as we are finding.

how do we not know we are viewing the result of distortions? Gravity can sometimes make a galaxy look like 2 twin galaxies to us.

Interesting how that image looks like a gangling of neural connections. I also ran across an image of lightning sprites that looked very similar. Anyway I am of a big fan of neuroscience, astrobiology, and meteorology and I can't help but notice the similarity of the images. Very cool.. Thanks for sharing.

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Unless there really is a membrane either attached to or occupying our universe. If the membrane is hyperdimensional it could explain the effects. Also this doesn't necessarily mean mass is being created (obviously violating conservation laws), it is possible that the size increase is directly linked to the increase in the force field of the particle is it not? This, like I said earlier is some VERY MAJOR NEWS for physics. Unfortuantly you won't hear about this on MSN for quite a while, until some more information is known.

PS: I have not forgot about the warp theory, I have been busy, I will touch base on it with you soon.

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Warp engines are out of my mind for now. been doing other stuff.

But there is an multidimensional field. They have seen this in items such as the "dark flow" as well as the fact that the big bang requires that gravity was turned off to prevent all the mass in that small area from collapsing. There's a bit of a temporal twist linked in there with gravity but it's unclear. There is absolutely no reason for them, not to exist. The thing is, however, they don't have to be particles. That's why I discount this discovery. We're talking about electron-sized items being found to stretch for eons? There would be so little energy that it would just not exist. I don't understand how they could be "stretching". You can't stretch freely moving items other than creating the illusion of stretching through a gravity field.

I'm not exactly sure how they could detect such particles so far away, let alone see them clearly. Particles and waves naturally dissipate in the vacuum of space, destined to travel the cosmos for infinity, or merge with other matter

Get this. They found the oldest galaxy know to man. It was so old that it looks like 2 galaxies, because the image was stretched. You can also see large galaxies being stretched as well.

www.dailygalaxy.com...

EDIT

WAIT!

I just read it from here

focus.aps.org...

The OP paints it like they are particles. no no no. They are waves! this is COMPLETELY different.

Allow me to explain.

Every single thing you use electronically makes waves. These waves a powerful enough for you to see your TV, hear your radio, etc. However, go out a few light years, and you hear nothing but interference. The waves you made have stretched to lower energy levels and are no longer audible/visible

This is part of the laws of thermodynamics. We are NOT talking about stretched matter. we are talking about nothing more then stretched out energy, which has stretched as the thermodynamic laws predict. They stretched outward until they become almost nonexistent. All matter will eventually become waves, and all waves will eventually spread out into a silent, cold, dead universe.


This is not matter being stretched, this is like when you make a wave in a pool, but pull away the edge as the wave goes out. As time goes on, the wave dies.


HA! this makes sense now. Nope, it's not multidimensional, and it's not some big particle. it is a wave that is dying. If it got into a black hole, theoretically the entire wave would simply keep on going. The part of the wave in the black hole would simply slow down. In theory, this would increase the probability of being there, thus making the wave in the rest of the universe quantum tunnel to the black hole.


Interesting indeed



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reply to post by Gorman91

We think of fundamental particles as being very small, but "relic" neutrinos left over from the big bang could be big. Really big. According to the 22 May Physical Review Letters, the quantum wave describing one could be billions of light-years across, a good fraction of the observable universe. Such a large wave raises questions about how a quantum particle interacts with gravity at the scale of galaxies and galaxy clusters--questions that remain unresolved.

Relic neutrinos, like the relic photons that make up the cosmic microwave background, are leftovers from the hot, crowded universe that prevailed 13.7 billion years ago. Even though the particle density has greatly decreased as the universe expanded, there are still roughly 300 relic neutrinos per cubic centimeter, nearly as many as the number of relic photons. The average energy has also decreased over time to such a low value that relic neutrinos are completely undetectable in earthly detectors.

focus.aps.org...

Okay...Thanks for clearing that up, it changes everything. So it is simply the wave function of the neutrino that has stretched. Okay, but this is still potentially huge because if proved this could prove the Universe had a starting point and is thus finite. The Big Bang Theory could just be right after all.

reply to post by jkrog08


Oh indeed. Another frightening thing is that it opens the possibility that if you stretched a wave so far out, COULD you destroy it? could you alter the law of conservation of mass and energy? That is scary.

Once my mother actually told me about some twilight zone episode or something about the future when all matter has become energy and waves and 2 people in love make themselves into matter again to have a physical relationship. How scary is that? of course sentient energy is science fiction, but the thought of a universe that's expanded so far that all matter and energy has collapsed into dead waves is frightening.

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Originally posted by shortest man walking
the first thing this made me think of is (i am way wrong here, just trying to explain what i am talking about since i cant think of its name) the effect of two plasma balls being made from one object, then one ball of plasma is spun. the neat part is the other ball of plasma regardless of how great the distance between the two, it will spin immediately, , even if say it were on the other side of the solar system, greatly surpassing the speed limit placed on light.


i cant help but think maybe these neutrinos are responsible.


if anyone knows the name of the experiment i am talking about, please let me know, its really buggin me

It's called entanglement theory. It says that all things are connected. Every atom, nuetrino, etc. What effects one thing may has effects on something else, somewhere else. For all we know, when we set off a nuclear weapon test, we could be creating a black hole somewhere else..
I can't imagine what happens when they finally use the LHC at CERN.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Oh indeed. Another frightening thing is that it opens the possibility that if you stretched a wave so far out, COULD you destroy it? could you alter the law of conservation of mass and energy? That is scary.

Once my mother actually told me about some twilight zone episode or something about the future when all matter has become energy and waves and 2 people in love make themselves into matter again to have a physical relationship. How scary is that? of course sentient energy is science fiction, but the thought of a universe that's expanded so far that all matter and energy has collapsed into dead waves is frightening.

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On sentient energy, it may not be so much sci fi. If all matter is actually energy and we can think, is it not in the form of energy already. At the atomic level we are all made of energy.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by Fromabove]

reply to post by Gorman91


Unless we are intrinsically connected to spacetime I do not see how the expansion of the Universe could cause us, ourselves to expand in wave function. I think that if we lived long enough (ie; the totality of the life of the Universe) our energy could be stretched out like that episode, but the biological lifespan is far,far too short for that to happen. Or another possibility would be some type of supersymmetric gravitational effect.