Time for revolution? A question

I dont know if this is in the right place, so move it if you want,

It is a question that has been bugging me for a long while, this is it , have we been led to believe that the only way to change the world is through peaceful actions, when there seems to be no record of this having ever worked.

it seems to me that the world is in need of radical change in the way it is governed, i no longer believe that the current form of politics is a viable way to manage the world that we live in. Politicians have too much power, and it is about time that this was taken from them and returned to the people, but how do we achieve that?. violent revolution seems to be the only way that would ensure a success, after all how would it work when whoever gains power is just the new person in control of an old system that is broken?

Mod Edit: Removed all caps from title.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by Gemwolf]

Most peaceful demonstrations are not that big, sock it to them all world wide, which wont happen, and they are stuffed!
We have the masses, and the capability, they dont! Its just getting them to do it that is hard. And finding the right people to bring us into a better governed world.

So instead of trying to find out what we could do to fix it, you just want to cheat and start killing people instead because its a lot easier than actually trying to change things from the inside out. All it takes is a leader, a real leader to help lead the road to success instead of failure. As long as someone has the way, people will follow. You dont always have to kill people to meet your goals. Just my two cents.

reply to post by Common Good


the focus is not supposed to be on the killing, it is the one thing that should be avoided, but when you think about it, how else can an old system be removed without some form of force, the old system has too much control

There lies the question. A democracy, truly ruled by the people could work in our day and age. Democracy is little more than mob rule, where 51% of the people decide the laws and policy. In the time of the internet, the people could themselves vote on any new legislature, without representation. The hurdles to overcome in this general idea would be the power hungry who seek to control the votes, by whatever means necessary, ie. hacking, misreporting, and software tampering. You will always have to put your trust in some sort of leader, and power makes people thirst for more.

I don't pretend to know the answers. I'm not a leader. I do believe that something must be done, and soon; before we get to a point of no return, where we are powerless to stop TPTB from carrying out their misguided agendas.

Our forefathers saw this coming, and had much forthought in their penning of our documents like the Bill of Rights, and our Constitution. The problem is that our society became uninterested in anything past the shiny new matierial things they saw on network television commercials. What kind of car they had in the driveway, That new pair of shoes. Our citizens decided that paying any attention to what was going on in Washington was simply too time consuming and too much work, and was better left to the politicians. They stopped caring, and decided to let their elected officials choose the path of our once great nation. Too busy wallowing in our own matierialism. Exactly what we were pogrammed to do. It didn't help matters that most laws aren't written in plain english that the "everyman" can read, but a mix of latin and legal-eze. Requiring actual thought and education to understand.

Seriously, you can witness it everyday on just about any internet forum, people complaining that someone wrote too much text. "I got tired halfway through and didn't finish reading that wall of text" is a common post you'll see. We are too lazy to read? WTF? Well if we are to lazyto read do you honestly think we have the energy to stand up and take back our country? Sadly, I think not.

I'm sure there will be some of us that finally stand up, and fight, but with no organization, and small groups, with all the government monitoring due to the Patriot act and such, I doubt we will get far. How does one fire the first shot, and the rest of us follow suit? What triggers the rebellion, without the first guy being simply written off as a kook, or a terrorist? Was the first shot at the holocaust museum this week? No, maybe Oklahoma City? Ruby Ridge? Waco? I don't see anyone standing up yet, and likely when they do, it will be too late.

Maybe another country nuking the US might not be a bad thing...it might be the only way to restructure this country. but then the battle might already be over. If so, I weep for our children.



[edit on 12-6-2009 by eightonefive]

reply to post by THELONIO



What country was really better off after a violent revolution.

Mostly a lot of innocent people killed.

Are there any countries that suffered a violent revolution that can be held
as a model for democracy today?

Many here talk revolution but would rather watch the NFL or NASCAR.
Talk is cheap.

If there is a violent revolution in the US; it will become a race war so fast it will make you head swim. Listen to Sociologist and Anthropologist; not some wanna be politician/military person.

reply to post by whaaa


after the revolution in the usa it became quite a model of a good nation, it is only now that has gotten the rot

Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by whaaa

 

after the revolution in the usa it became quite a model of a good nation, it is only now that has gotten the rot

Tell that to the Native Americans.

The revolution is already occurring, my friend.

There is no leader, other than truth. The truth is becoming realized by people each day..at incredible speeds.
The true self is being revealed, and consciousness is taking hold.

It is a beautiful time in all of our lives.

Just be patient, and it will come.

reply to post by THELONIO


The time for outright revolution has been and gone.
The governments have in the mean-time tied up any loose ends where there was previously any chance of this occuring.
They have for one, flooded most westernised democracies with migrants with the idea of quashing any hope of public solidarity.
The power for revolution lies in the hands of miltary personell, whom of coarse hold the powerful arsenal neede to accomplish this feat.
For the 'common' man to suddenly raise revolution with crude weapons, would be certain suicide.

I hate talking about politics. And that's what this is. But I believe strongly enough to break my own rule and I am going to have to disclose way more personal data than I wanted to here...

Here's my rant.

There are a lot of people upset right now. There are a lot of people confused. There are a lot of people that voted for Change and thought they were going to wake up the day after the election to a transparent paradise.

If you believe in America, if you believe in the Constitution then you need to sit back down and relax.

(Note: I personally will not address any conspiracy theory here nor respond to any that suggests that America does not vote democratically or somehow elections are stolen)

When I was 18 (I'm 36 now) I registered for selective service and registered as a republican. I lived and voted as a republican for 17 years. I have fought for my country and been under fire and returned fire (most recently a year and a half ago, and yes, I am still on active duty). I believe that America is what America chooses. The day after the election I resigned from the GOP and registered as an independent.

Here's the deal as I see it. You may not be happy right now.; I'll Agree, things suck. But I have to say that if you think things would be much different if there was an R in the house instead of a D, I disagree.

America chose the man in the White House. A very large percentage of voters spoke. It is what it is. That is what America is. Three years from now if America changes her mind, someone else will be there.

But we are NO WHERE NEAR needing to take up arms against our countrymen. If you believe in America then change minds. Change hearts. Lead by example and educate. If people don’t want to listen, or disagree, then respect that and move on.

The recent events of the last week or so should show that you don’t win hearts and minds or votes to your cause by killing (and I really don’t mean to be insulting here, I am trying to illustrate a point) Radical Extremists who blow them selves up in a group of innocent civilians, or shoot men dead in their Church in front of families believe that killing is the answer. Get out, register people to vote.

But don’t start this B.S. talk of armed revolution and minority rebellion. Please.

Revolution of the mind? Yes.

Edit- I realize I made this about R's and D's and that I left out a sizable minority. Again, no offense intended.

[edit on 12/6/2009 by whiskeypoet]

reply to post by THELONIO
what are the peaceful demonstrations always met w/?
violence. it's sadly the only thing they understand.

reply to post by KRISKALI777

well said they got us by the cahonnies, the palotas, chingadaries, the sack
but i believe some one wrote about how the guerilla war in nam was so effective against the U.S. and could be again. but techs have come along way since, huh.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by randyvs]

reply to post by whiskeypoet


Democracy is not a good system, i try not to subscribe to names of types of governing ( facism, communism, socialism etc) we just need to forget everything that we have been born into and to look at a whole new way of life where electricity is free, you wont have to pay for water etc. a world that is governed by rules and not an elite, we have been fooled into thinking of democracy as perfect model of soceity, wars have been fought in its name and it keeps the general populace thinking that they have a choice, we dont, you only have to look at the history of political decisions to see that all parties are working towards a common goal just by different routes, all we vote for is who dictates over us, and there will always be a majority who is not happy or did not vote for the party that wins, not a majority that is happy because they voted for them, look at the turn out at the polls, apethy is rife among the electorate, people are fed up having a choice of the corrupt morons that are offered up for us to elect

revolution has worked fine for many countries, france , america , england to name but a few, the media and governments have brainwashed us to believe that it is a terrible thing to protect themselves, there are more of us than them

reply to post by randyvs


yeah, Short and curlys- use that also

reply to post by KRISKALI777


america was a nation of migrants when they revolted and it gave them unity

reply to post by THELONIO

so we bring back the republic

Originally posted by bvproductions
The revolution is already occurring, my friend.

There is no leader, other than truth. The truth is becoming realized by people each day..at incredible speeds.
The true self is being revealed, and consciousness is taking hold.

and this is exactly why mr. rothschild is a opponent of the (free) internet.
please let free knowledge exchange continue unharboured.



[edit on 6/12/2009 by zooplancton]

Whiskeypoet,

I'm not talking about starting an armed revolution. I was illustrating a point to the OP that there isn't or hasn't been a single action that meant enough to spark any kind of rebellion. I was in no way condonig any of the actions or events that I mentioned, ie waco, the holocaust shootings, etc.

But to your comment on getting out and registering people to vote seems absurd when we vote and end up getting the same guy no matter which party we choose. There is a lot more at work behind the scenes than you think. I read your quote in parenthesis on how you wont pesonally respond to any quote about elections being stolen or not being done democratically, and to that I respond that I'm glad you like living in your little bubble where you think everything is working as intended. Our country is failing by design, and if you don't see that right now eventually you will. Like most Americans choose to only believe what they are served up on a platter and think by adjusting their blinders that everything beyond will work itself out. It's simply not the case. The American people came out in droves to vote for a man who, like a slick car salesman sold them a vehicle painted the colors of hope and change, when in reality it was the same old chevette they had been driving the last 8 years, only now with added engine problems; and the paint washed off during the first rain.

I'm glad you are serving our country, I did as well, years ago. I swore to uphold and protect the constitution, from all enemies foreign and domestic. It pains me when I see our own elected officials trample all over it. It should pain you too. I'm not here saying we should have elected a republican instead of a democrat, because it doesn't matter. The governments agenda was laid out far in advance, long before Obama hit the scene, and perhaps he really did want change. Maybe he really did want to pull our troops out of the middle east. Maybe he did want to close Gitmo. Maybe he found out when he actually got the job that it didn't matter what he believed in, that the script had already been written.

What does a populace do, when it's government becomes to big for it's britches? Infringing upon god given rights of it's people to fill the pockets of foreign bankers and dignitaries? What do we do when we are led away like lambs to the slaughter, after being told that every law passed in the last 50 odd years was for our own good, only to realize the whole time that they took our ability away, to change anything, and now we are the new slaves of a handful of wealthy landowners? When will it become apparent to the rest of us? I say not until it's too late. They will keep us busy with other things, like a magician using misdirection, never allowing you to see what the other hand is up to.

We are the new terrorists. You too whiskeypoet, being a veteran, you yourself are listed as a potential terrorist in the new DHS docs. So are all gun owners, people that speak of the US constitution, Pastors of churches...doesn't that alarm you?

reply to post by THELONIO


And what fraternities and societies did the organizers of this revolution belong to? If you think that a load of immigrants got together planned and facilitated a revolution resulting in the USA; I looks like you maybe should do some more historical reading.
Anyway I think we can agree that the perimeters of politics have changed somewhat in the world at large over the last 300 years!
Now the biggest threat under our noses, is the fact that our governments sick with greed are allowing massive intakes of Islamic migrants; that see predominantly Christian nations as: HALAL!
Halal, meaning; its good to suck the wealth from these particular countries, defile their womwn; and essentially with enough numbers have political influence with a view towards an Islamic state.