2 Japanese Carrying $134 Bil Worth Of U.S. Bonds Detained in Italy

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I get where you are coming from with that, but those are sales, not earnings. Earnings are Sales minus costs simply.

So for argument sakes lets say it could be a large corporation moving cash around trying to hide it. We get to add what maybe a dozen or so of the largest companies in the world that could have possibly hid that kind of cash from their auditors and shareholders to China, Japan, Oil exporters, Caribbean banks, and Russia. I guess it's possible, but less likely than a counterfeiting enterprise or NK malfaesance.

Has anyone checked the Rome classifieds for a T3RB on sale?

Japan Investigates Report Two Seized With $134 Billion of Bonds

From Bloomberg

Japan is investigating media reports two of its citizens were detained in Italy after allegedly attempting to take $134 billion worth of U.S. bonds out of the country. “Italian authorities are in the midst of the investigation, and haven’t yet confirmed the details, including whether they are Japanese citizens or not,”

Nothing really new in the article that we haven't seen already, but Bloomberg is mainstream financial news.

reply to post by ziggy1706 [quote=ziggy1706]could just simply be that todays glboal buisness market itself, is just ONE big [Po]nzi sheme like Madoff...The only difference between what Madoff did & the normal working of modern capitalism is that if you do it, it's illegal, but a bank is allowed to. It's called something like 'fractional lending'.

interesting i never knew we had 500 million DOLLAR bonds!......gee can i get change for that sir

but we DO.....we used to distribute them like the kennedy bonds

en.wikipedia.org...

crazy

then japanese political character comes out with story that Japan stands behind u.s treasury's

www.bloomberg.com...

they say actions speak louder than words....perhaps this has something to do with J.Willie's article "the hitmen cometh"....hmmm



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i bet ya they turn out to be north korean paties,

didnt some documentary claim that north korea used to kidnap japanese people so that they could learn to speak and act like them in order to infiltrate,


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I can't stop thinking about this story. I am at the conclusion that it must have been the intention of the conspirators for the smugglers to be caught. If you have $134 billion dollars, your resources are endless. Further more few people would interfere with the actions of someone with such power. What is unfolding is part of a larger plan.

What are the consequences of this event?

Could the timing of this coincide with WHO moving to "level 6"? What are the implications on international treaties and economic laws when the WHO sings six?

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Dorfl
company/private person that somehow got their hands on this. Are there any ex-dictators that could have taken this out of their till?

That's a lot of cabbage.

134 Billion? that's a country not an individual.

or countries , or mabey its even a u.s plot in it self to secure wealth ?
i mean desperate deeds in desperate times , and who knows how many times this scenario has happend that bonds been transfered to swiss , this is only an acount of getting caugth.

Originally posted by cpdaman

they say actions speak louder than words....perhaps this has something to do with J.Willie's article "the hitmen cometh"....hmmm

Occured to me as well, turning this all over in my head...
The Hiitmen Cometh

Originally posted by zerbot565

or countries , or mabey its even a u.s plot in it self to secure wealth ?
i mean desperate deeds in desperate times , and who knows how many times this scenario has happend that bonds been transfered to swiss , this is only an acount of getting caugth.

I've been putting some thought to this. Who would have that kind of reserves to attempt this? Outside of a few countries there are a few global companies. Heck even the Pentagon. You just never know they could have tried to flip it real quick.

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Could be just that top secret...take a look at this post in another thread...
Hitmen

...these bonds have owners...you would think that whomever/whatever entity would already know...after all someone was waiting for the phone call..."mission accomplished' but instead they got the bailbondsmen call.

This is some kind of a plot I am near certain! And with that amount of $ at stake...top secret indeed!

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i can tell you that its about 3 x the budget the finnish goverment have this year,

This is perhaps one of the oddest scenarios ...that we've seen in a while.
I mean how do you get caught doing this ...as many have stated, with endless resources due to this excessive amount of money. I still do not understand how do they get caught? ...So many eggs in one basket? ...This has to have a much thicker plot to it.

I have some other questions:
Why did they attempt to enter Switzerland from the Italian side? The Italian-Swiss border is way riskier for smugglers (more customs checks) then the German-Swiss border. What made it easier for the bonds to arrive in Italy then any of the other countries surrounding Switzerland?

And another thing:
What happens to U.S. bonds that are printed but not actually issued? Are they kept at the Fed? In that case this could be part of a 'grab and run' before the Fed is put under close scrutiny.

I really don't think we should focus to much on the (supposed) nationality of the 2 men. That could be (and probably is) just smoke and mirrors. Want the truth? Then follow the money!


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you have to declare valuables upon entering and they failed to do so ?
everything over 5000 in value must be declared ?

anyone checked swiss boarder laws what legal and whats not ?

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or have they broken two boarder laws , one upon entering the E.U and one when getting into swiss ?

[edit on 12-6-2009 by zerbot565]

If they are real, and belonged to Japan Govt, and Italy tries to keep 40% of it .

How Funny would it be if this was the cause for WW3, everyone thought it would be NK or Iran as cause over Nukes or China over Taiwan. But no it was the number one reason fights ever break out among family and friends CASH.

Here is my speculative take on this.
A suitcase switch occurred and these 2 Japanese men are patsies for a bigger plot.

With pretty intensive checks at this International Station for undeclared currency, the chances were high that they would get caught.
I can't imagine these 2 men would do this knowingly.
Hence why someone would have to plant these bonds covertly.

If by chance they had've made it through, they could have met with a tragic "car accident" after crossing the border, the bonds reclaimed, and no one would have been the wiser.
Just some Japanese tourists who died in an unfortunate car accident.

Sounds to me like someone or a group of someones were willing to risk $134B to cause a bit of economic strife in America.
Obviously thinking this would be world wide news.

Guess they didn't bank on the media blackout.

If this scario is even close, it would mean that those bonds would have to be untraceable or they could be linked to a bogus company or with identity theft being rampant, it could even be linked fraudulently to real individuals.

Or maybe I've watched one too many James Bond movies.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by Flighty]

Note that you can bring as much money as you like into Switzerland, but if you leave Switzerland for EU countries you must declare sums higher than 15,000 euros in value, in keeping with border controls.

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something about swiss boarder law , so at least they didnt brake the law by bringin the sum in or trying to get in.

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I wonder how the Italians feel about that?
I think each country has there own laws governing these types of situation so although they weren't breaking Swiss law they were breaking Italian law.

Alright this is my last post on this topic, since I think only one person acknowledged the link I sent, here is the article cut and pasted, hopefully this lets everyone here sleep easier:

"1934 MORGENTHAU TREASURY BONDS
A problem that has been most prevalent in the Far East recently surfaced in London when officers from the City of London Fraud Squad seized fake $US Treasury Bonds with a nominal value in excess of $2.5 trillion.

On the first occasion $2.5 trillion worth of these bonds was seized from a safe keeping vault of a bank in the City of London in an assortment of 44 boxes, files and envelopes. Among the haul were a number of counterfeit Chinese Railway Bonds dating from the early part of the 1900’s.

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On the second occasion a number of people were arrested in the City of London after presenting billions of dollars worth of these bonds to a financial institution attempting to obtain “facilities”. Two women have been charged.

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