Obama VS Bush: HATRED on ATS

Originally posted by nicholaswa
This place leans so far to the right, it's about to fall over. Political discussions are dominated by hatemongering racists .... Discussions about alien life, or lost civilizations are dominated by Christian fundamentalists

You clearly haven't been posting very long.

You can form whatever opinion you like but your conclusions are
completely wrong.







[edit on 6/11/2009 by FlyersFan]

Why don't you people grow up? This site is supposed to be about "Denying Ignorance". Not about bashing somone because they are left or right. It is supposed to be about their POLICYS! I think Bush screwed up because he was more worried about 3000 dead then 300 million live people. He opened the door for Obama or anyone else to destroy the Consitution and Obama is running with it. Probably so would McCain if he had won. What you should be focasing on is how to put the Genie that Bush let loose that Obama is running with back into the bottle, not who is left or right. Bush ignored the people to protect the people, Obama is ignoring th people to protect the people, both think we are not capable of thinking for ourselves and both ARE wrong! While you bitch about left or right no one is paying attention to the fact the ship is SINKINGS! THAT is what is important.

There is no left or right--only a group of very powerful people. Please wake up sir. You need to realize that the bickering about left/right/, Obama/Bush is like watching a pro-wrestling match. It's all a show so please look behind the curtain and see who is pulling the leavers of politics and policy. I'm sure you can figure it out. Best of luck.

I think you may have offended a great number of people when you simply meant to point out those whose pendulum swings too far EITHER WAY.

I find this thread to be similar to Obama's method of drawing attention to conservatives and claiming them all to be potentially dangerous. You have let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

Why must one declare themselves to be left or right? Further, it makes sense to me that people are focused, both negatively and positively, on Obama -- because he's in office. And these are difficult times. For many of us, the most difficult in OUR lifetime. If it were another Republican in office, you would have witnessed the same questions, conspiracy theories, etc., just with a different name attached.

Lastly, I think putting up with the harsh rhetoric and sometimes harsher comments is worth it. When searching for the answer, all sides must be considered in order to formulate a sound conclusion. And remember, the conclusion you arrive at is yours and yours alone.

Instead of allowing and/or enhancing a further divide, which I believe benefits noone, I hereby declare myself to be an American. Period.

May I still participate in ATS? Or is being an American also now taboo?

If ATS didn't have polarized, passionate, political discussions, with people that wear their ideology on their sleeves; It would be so dull that I would more than likely leave.

Passionate exchange of Ideas and the freedom to do so is what defines America. And with that comes personal attacks. For my ideas, I have been called a traitor, terrorist sympathizer, tulip walker and worse. So what? I can take it. I have been threatened with physical violence in U2Us. Bring it!!

ATS is not a community. It's a collection of waring internet tribes.

It's Perfect









[edit on 11-6-2009 by whaaa]

It seems to me the only ones being left out in the cold are his staunch supporters.....

[edit on 11-6-2009 by ManBehindTheMask]

you nailed that one down Man Behind The Mask. wow very brilliant. what i have seen of the past 2 presidencies, is if you dont agree with there sell out of america and there assasine laws that they have put in place since 9/11 you are either a right winger or a left winger. what the hell, how about just a man or a woman with some common sense. and your not dripping out both sides of your mouth like our news media has. i agree this sight has been of lately a little more political, but what other big stories has there been?

Could it be that Obama ran on a whole platform of "change" and "transparency", then did absolutely NOTHING different? Actually, I'm sorry. He did do some things different. He made it even worse. He's managed to outdo Bush's radical spending. He's attempting to take even more rights away from us (2nd Amendment). He's trying to force illegals into our country. He's nationalized the auto industry, he's trying to nationalize the bank industry and he's stealing our healthcare system from us. He is an absolute TRAIN WRECK. And our enemies think he's a coward, projecting a look of terrible weakness on our country.

However bad things were, they are much, much worse under Obama. And there is nothing "transparent" under his administration. We're just as in-the-dark as ever, if not more. His entire platform was a lie, and I think it really upsets a lot of people that voted for him. Personally, I can't find ANYONE that supports him and I'm in COLLEGE.

reply to post by ChocoTaco369


Don't worry, a large number of MSM watching masses in New Zealand still think he's jesus. Whenever you throw facts and figures of the 'hope budget' or assorted Courtroom 'freedom/change/hope rulings', they look a little shocked, then deflated - I guess they see it as the man that let them down.

Some more thoughts on my mind...

Left or Right? Between them is division. Division is power. Stuck in the rut of division are the blinded masses, strung out on hope and forever waiting for change.

[edit on 11/6/09 by GhostR1der]

I am having a good chuckle to myself reading this thread.

So many of you are caught up in the left right dichotomy that I don't think many of you really think it through to a logical conclusion which has nothing to do with the political parties discussed or the left right nonsense.

Has it ever occurred to some of you ...a concept about the very nature of politics??

Watching Presidential Politics and the "Drama" which goes along with it ..It has occurred to me from some time back...that the standards for president of the United States are not as high as we are given to think they are.

Has this concept occurred to you.

What is high on the list of standards is that a political party can get their chosen candidate elected. In other words marketability is the prime requirement. Not leadership capabilities.

Taken further ...this means that if Presidential candidates are chosen from Congressional material...the requirements or standards for a Congressional member..House or Senate are also not that high as we are often given to believe.

If Presidential Material are often chosen from State Governorships ...than one realizes that the requirements for State Governors are also not that high as so many are lead to believe.

If Presidents choose Supreme Court nominees and the standards for President are not as high as we are lead to believe...you'd better be able to give some serious thought to the requirements for Supreme Court Nominees.

You folks need to be able to step outside of the emotional thought process/drama/entitlement thinking which so often passes for excellence and the moral high ground today.

Especially the entitlement thinking which so pervades politics today. It is become a default setting ...to which some use or imply they are so righteous that they can play through before others..unchallenged and unquestioned.

This default/entitlement thinking is going to backfire on politics but not before drowning so many who are gullible enough to believe and practice it. And political parties who nominate Presidential and other level candidates use this technique aplenty to push their substandard candidates.

You folks need to be taking a good look at the political parties and the political party system in place in this country.

The Standards and requirements for President of the United States are not as high as we have been led or misled to believe. Same for other candidates further down the line.

It is become obvious that most of the standards and requirements for public office are manipulated by a phony whorish media....who shill for their respective political parties. Behind the scenes of media manipulation...the candidates they tend to push to the public are obviously not as advertised.

This is why no matter how many levers or buttons one pushes nothing seems to change.

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 11-6-2009 by orangetom1999]

reply to post by CreeWolf


I agree 100%, and I must say this is one of the very best posts I have read here.

If we only could live in a world where people could set aside their bias and political ideologies and actually just examine, explore, discuss the facts and issues of these incredibly challenging times we are in... We as a race of beings in a massive universe could finally advance beyond our animal instincts.

Politics, and the constant pull to extreme left or right is the problem we can't ever seem to rise ABOVE. It is the source of conflict, apathy and the means by which the truth is lost, hidden and in some cases completely covered up.

I do not like having some stigma placed on me because I choose to speak out on the issues in a way that is EITHER contrary to left or right.

I have been accused of being both right and left on occasion depending on my views on ANY given topic that may have political aspects within, though I consider myself a centrist.

It is wrong. no matter what your perspective, political leaning or party affiliation.

What a F'd up world in which we live.

Politics should not dictate nor define our thoughts.

[edit on 11-6-2009 by Walkswithfish]

reply to post by CreeWolf


The only person on here claiming that this is a left or right leaning website is you. All we do is voice our opinion. It may seem left leaning or right leaning but that is freewill. Yes we may bash each but thats human nature to challage each other. As far as "Newbies", I don't see how that has anything to do with the subject.

I have been around ATS for a long time, even longer than my registration date dictates. What I've seen over the years while on ATS is that the majority of people that post in the political section often wear their political affiliation on their sleeves. They stand firm with their elected officials. I think what we all need to remember here is that it doesn't truly matter which party we stand by, we should never be afraid nor distastefully ridiculed by questioning the actions of politicians or government.

Observations on ATS and in real life:
Anti-Obama = Racist
Anti-Bush = Pro-Terrorism
Republican = Neo-Con
Democrat = Socialist

I believe that the second the people become afraid to question their government, they no longer have control of it. It is fine if people stand by Obama/Bush, that's great, that is their decision and theirs alone. However, if they refuse to dissect their actions, they have no room to complain if things go south. I'm tired of politicians making excuses for failures, taking power away from the people, and playing the blame game. It is sad to say that their supporters will do the same.

It seems to me that we are all slowly getting our rights taken away, and it is steadily accelerating. We are all playing right into the hands of the politicians by fighting with one another, when we should all be focusing on what they are doing. I would love if we could all let go of our party loyalties and started seeing, reading, and acting on the behalf of keeping the United States for future generations, rather than, bickering about political parties.

[edit on 11-6-2009 by IKnowNothing]

I do find it amusing sometimes reading the posters bickering for page upon page about liberal/conservative as well as Bush/Obama bashing at a "Deny Ignorance" mottoed supposedly conspiratorial based website.

Meanwhile the Powers That Be are probably laughing their a##es off in how predictable people really are.
Politicians and Politics are like watching ( and believing the WWF )


Its exactly as the powers have done for centuries, and that is to create these diversions and divisions within the working classes and relying upon human nature of bickering amongst one another to prevent the common people from seeing the real truth as to whats really going on. As they, the ruling class, while subjugating our constitution, quietly continue to implement their agenda of removing our real freedoms , gaining more control until inevitably owning/enslaving us all again , as in the days of yesteryear when we were all under Monarchical rule of Kings and Queens.

The late comedian George Carlin put it very succinctly:
" Forget the politicians, they are only there to create the illusion that we have freedom of choice....you dont ! You have no choice, you have owners, they own you. They own everything, its a big club and you aint in it ..."

Originally posted by nh_ee
Powers That Be are probably laughing their a##es off in how predictable people really are.

Politicians and Politics are like watching ( and believing the WWF )

Its exactly as the powers have done for centuries, and that is to create these diversions and divisions within the working classes and relying upon human nature of bickering amongst one another to prevent the common people from seeing the real truth as to whats really going on. As they, the ruling class, while subjugating our constitution, quietly continue to implement their agenda of removing our real freedoms, gaining more control until inevitably owning/enslaving us all again, as in the days of yesteryear when we were all under Monarchical rule of Kings and Queens.

Running the country will always end up in the hands of those who decide to join political parties. They get their candidates from their rank and file.

You may not like what they do, but if you choose to stay on the outside, you're just another critic. Now you can set up a blog or join a forum with daily bitching sessions.

It's easy to be a critic. There are hundreds of millions of movie critics on the planet. Making a movie takes some effort. So does running a country.
Both types of ventures can be tremendously profitable for those involved.

But there's little reward for critics except for the few that can find a professional gig.

Mike

Heh, I'm right or left depending on who is in power and who is talking to me. The truth is I'm a Constitutionalist, and since the Constitution makes no mention of political party, it is the perfect place for me.

People really need to wake up to this. Both parties are wrong, and both are subversive to the Constitution.

"You can form whatever opinion you like but your conclusions are
completely wrong."

That's what I mean. People are allowed & encouraged to be impervious to facts, and employ anti-constructive "arguments" like, "whatever you think, you are wrong." Most of those people happen to be of the right-wing, freemen ilk.

Like, yesterday, I stated a fact in a forum, and a particular ignoramus from Idaho told me my fact was wrong. I said I could provide verification all day, in addition to what I'd provided, and he kept defying me to prove myself. After realizing that nothing I would provide would satisfy him, I gave up...

It's that kind of bantering that should be re-examined. If you're wrong, you're wrong...you can't continually deny FACTS....but around here, that type of thing is encouraged...


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[edit on 11-6-2009 by nicholaswa]

reply to post by projectvxn
"People really need to wake up to this. Both parties are wrong, and both are subversive to the Constitution"

Thank you very much. Isn't it obvious folks. Niether party has listened to the American people for many years now. Did you guys know that over 90% of the AMERICAN people wrote, emailed and called thier congressmen and senators to ask them to vote NO on the bank bailout and they passed it anyway. 90%. Thats mind boggling.
85% of the AMERICAN people want our troops out of Iraq.
There are forces at work on Capitol Hill telling our Senators and Congressmen and Women what to do and how to vote and that should give pause to everyone. But were to busy blaming one another because one is a Republican and one is a Democrat. We will not go forward until this is realized and we face the truth.

Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by projectvxn
"People really need to wake up to this. Both parties are wrong, and both are subversive to the Constitution"

 

There are forces at work on Capitol Hill telling our Senators and Congressmen and Women what to do and how to vote and that should give pause to everyone. But were to busy blaming one another because one is a Republican and one is a Democrat. We will not go forward until this is realized and we face the truth.

I agree with this! I used to be a "Republican" but now I am totally dumbfounded at the direction this party has taken. It IS as if all politicians are beholden NOT to the people any more, but some "higher" authority. (And no, I don't mean GOD).

Since I've come to ATS I've changed my mind and am a believer of conspiracies involving ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, NEW WORLD ORDER, ALIEN PRESENCE ON EARTH, and some of the crazy stuff that goes with it (FEMA camps, etc.)

As for the people of the United States of America.......

WE HAVE GOT TO GET CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT!

Originally posted by CreeWolf

As for the people of the United States of America.......

WE HAVE GOT TO GET CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT!

Now how is that going to be possible when the people of the USA are so divided along political, racial, religious, economic, social, moral lines.
We don't need a NWO to destroy US; we are perfectly capable of doing it ourselves.

The divisions grow deeper day by day as evidenced by the posts/threads on ATS.
Backbiting, namecalling does nothing except polarize the populace.

It's not a Government problem it's a social problem. Want peace; work for justice.


It ceased to be a US against them a long time ago!

Now it's an US against US.














[edit on 11-6-2009 by whaaa]

I was hoping for a response like "no whaaa, you are so wrong. America is a melting pot of many nationalities and attitudes and we can pull together and work for the common good of all citizens" But we all know that not Reality. Reality sucks doesn't it?

God help us!