How we are Conditioned to act without Reason *Video* Must See*

Originally posted by Ian McLean
reply to post by audas

 

Huh? I was just pointing out that I could find no evidence that monkeys actually do what this video describes. And that the fable seems a little too convenient, like it's contrived to show a point.

Humans probably act that way, however.

Just because YOU can't find any evidence, does not mean there is an absence of evidence.........That is yourn own problem if you can't get the meaning of this video.....It is not our problem, since we "get" what the video is all about.

Don't make your problem everybody elses......You can't understand so you ridicule those who do understand........That is exactly what the video is talking about !!!!

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by Ian McLean
reply to post by audas

 

Huh? I was just pointing out that I could find no evidence that monkeys actually do what this video describes. And that the fable seems a little too convenient, like it's contrived to show a point.

Humans probably act that way, however.

Just because YOU can't find any evidence, does not mean there is an absence of evidence.........That is yourn own problem if you can't get the meaning of this video.....It is not our problem, since we "get" what the video is all about.

Don't make your problem everybody elses......You can't understand so you ridicule those who do understand........That is exactly what the video is talking about !!!!

In Mein Kampf, Hitler also believed the rest of the world hated Jews and many who read Mein Kampf came to the same ideology as the fuhrer.

Because it was written, does it make it so? Of course not. The video has no evidence to back it's theory that chimps or humans for that matter would react in such a mechanized state!

reply to post by Republican08


Its a nice hypothesis but it has a fallacy, humans can communicate i.e talk so they can transfer information to newcomers. Hey you want that banana, well it looks yellow and juicy but you know, i've been told we get sprayed with cold water if anyone attempts to get the bannan, so we try no to, ok ?

Originally posted by reugen
reply to post by Republican08

 

Its a nice hypothesis but it has a fallacy, humans can communicate i.e talk so they can transfer information to newcomers. Hey you want that banana, well it looks yellow and juicy but you know, i've been told we get sprayed with cold water if anyone attempts to get the bannan, so we try no to, ok ?

well placing humans in this kind of experiment of course, but look outside the box and think of that video as a metaphor if you will. You can see this kind of behavior in all molds of life.

reply to post by Ian McLean


Paralysis by analysis...and i haven't even watched the video yet.

I retract my previous statement Mr. McLean, you have a valid point.

As soon as the very first monkey went for the banana, i thought why don't they just huddle together and rotate in unison so they each share the blast of the water and reap the rewards of the banana, much like the Gladiator film where they form a porcupine defence.

I then realised, i) they are monkeys, ii) it's a pseudo video that does indeed instil the an ideology that detracts from the very point they are trying to make.

[edit on 10-6-2009 by PrisonerOfSociety]

reply to post by imeddieone4202003


Big star and flag for this thread! The power of the message is the simplicity of the story and brevity of delivery. Ah, that we could all impart knowledge in such a manner.

reply to post by kosmicjack


Excellent, I've seen many experiments such as these and it is very very interesting. Remember folks we would like to think that we are important or special but really... we are just animals like all the rest we can be trained ,manipulated, brainwashed and conditioned just like animals (because we are).

I think the monkeys would works as a team to get the banana...but they wouldn't share it Sorry i just like this video..has monkeys a banana and teamwork

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 10-6-2009 by Solomons]

Originally posted by Bearack

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by Ian McLean
reply to post by audas

 

Huh? I was just pointing out that I could find no evidence that monkeys actually do what this video describes. And that the fable seems a little too convenient, like it's contrived to show a point.

Humans probably act that way, however.

Just because YOU can't find any evidence, does not mean there is an absence of evidence.........That is yourn own problem if you can't get the meaning of this video.....It is not our problem, since we "get" what the video is all about.

Don't make your problem everybody elses......You can't understand so you ridicule those who do understand........That is exactly what the video is talking about !!!!

In Mein Kampf, Hitler also believed the rest of the world hated Jews and many who read Mein Kampf came to the same ideology as the fuhrer.

Because it was written, does it make it so? Of course not. The video has no evidence to back it's theory that chimps or humans for that matter would react in such a mechanized state!

I never said their was truth to that and comparing me or the video to Hitler is a little ignorant......

I simply meant that the idea that this is happening could be a possibility and blow it off as a Pseudo science without any proof that it is false is ignorant......

The proof is not in the video....The proof is in Human history over the past 2,000 years.......

It's not my fault people fail to look at it .

reply to post by audas


The video was regarding a learned social trait (behavior) being transmitted to other members of a species where no discernible reason for this behavior would be evident, or even logical.

These studies corroborate this finding... the Video is merely a metaphor to describe this effect in more understandable terms.

The study(s) is of a learned behavior being "Artificially" added into the social construct of the monkeys interaction, and then the initial reason for the behavior being removed, and yet, the behavior continues... and thus, the video is accurate in its conclusion.

-Edrick

A couple of famous experiments for social conditioning:

Milgram experiment: www.youtube.com...

Asch conformity experiments: www.youtube.com...

Not to stick up for people that are religous or anything, cause they're so obviously below most in this thread, but it it seems to me that with the larger amount of information available, there are a lot of new monkeys that are coming in and wait....no one's getting sprayed with water.

Like, we no longer have to face our "purification" lol.
Just my two monkey cents.

Originally posted by heyo
Not to stick up for people that are religous or anything, cause they're so obviously below most in this thread, but it it seems to me that with the larger amount of information available, there are a lot of new monkeys that are coming in and wait....no one's getting sprayed with water.

Like, we no longer have to face our "purification" lol.
Just my two monkey cents.

Yes, but some still fear the beating.

I love video's of monkeys beating each other. What I wanna know is who got the banana?

reply to post by imeddieone4202003


Except that if it were people they would explain to the new monkey why they no longer approach the banana. After all being replaced, a new monkey would approach it doubting the others, they would see there is no more water and would get a banana. Nice.

What ruined the video was the image of the cop beating the man at the end. How does that follow? False conclusion being driven into your minds, imo.

Anybody ever notice how people around here post a story/video about primate behavior, draw parallels to human behavior, put on their pseudo-intellectual glasses and say "look how simple-minded and easily coerced people are" ?

The monkeys are just being social animals acting in what they perceive to be their own best interest. Big deal .. and like someone else pointed out, we have the advantage of being able to communicate to each other why we're acting the way we are .. so .. there isn't even much of a parallel .. and this thread is kind of silly ..

Well, OP, you're kind of grouping all religion together and pointing the "bad" finger at them. That's just not the right assumption.

But, I do get the idea of the video. There are those who would like to condition mankind to not think for themselves, and have mankind go mindlessly through life without questioning authority.

But, we aren't monkeys. The guy who made this video, obviously isn't a dumb monkey. We are able to think and observe for ourselves. We must not let that fact get hidden.

Troy

Here is what happens when monkeys misbehave in the real world - we create and enforcer, and then a better enforcer, then the ultimate enforcer until we can no longer control the enforcer and the enforcer controls us - the following video has exactly the same level of basis in reality, it has lays down the same claims to scientific fact, it has the same anecdotal style - both are CGI videos of controls - see if you can understand the medium and the message (thanks Malcom McClune)

reply to post by jsobecky

What ruined the video was the image of the cop beating the man at the end.

How did that ruin the video. The makers were just illustrating the similarities between the proposed scenario, and human made "authority" within societies.

I am not claiming the video's scenario would actually work in a real experiment with real monkeys. I only assert that the video's scenario is analogous to human societies today. Which makes sense, correct?