Istanbul UFO is Back **May 2009** Video

Originally posted by trusername

how american to question why a turkish night watchman hasn't gone out and bought top end video equipment? may I suggest ... the price?

We're not all Americans here. And we've seen the camera he used, it's shown on the UFO centre report video. It doesn't look like a cheapo piece of crap to me. The point is if he can afford the camera and lens attachment why doesn't he buy a tripod? Even a cheap one?

Hi Internos - here are the transcripts / translations to the 2 turkish videos



2007 video
www.abovetopsecret.com...

2 people talking


"Look it's right on top do you see it?

It's right next to the shooting star.

Yes, next to it.

Oh, Salih, do you see it?

Is that the captain with the white light?

Look at this Salih no no not there, here.

do you see the white light - it's just standing there isn't it.

There's something in the front, too

Two... no one



[ticker 1:44]
There's something in the front

It's going slow, very slow.

Yes.

I've really zoomed it.

Go closer... closer.

I'm at 12

I'm very close but my hand is shaking.


There's nothing like this, but it's really going slow.

It's going towards the sea.

Look its just like the one that the other guy caught on camera.

There's something there

I can't see, I don't know

oh the light went off

[2:29]
Did it turn the light off.

It's like at at 7000 feet (in Turkey aviation is with feet)

It's like metal.

With black on it.

It's going towards the clouds.

It went inside the clouds.

Its really far away.

Look at this.

It's there.

It disappeared.

4:50

Where did it go?

Hey - One minute.

Do you see that white light on top?

Where it's standing up -

I'm shooting that now.

It's that white light.

Yes,

Yes,

That's what Im shooting

Super

I'm going to show what I've just shot

It's standing there, right?

Unbeleivable

It's standing there.

It's like a big mother ship.

It's disappearing.

[7:30.. nothing more]








2009 video
in the beginning he's mostly mumbling - he says "Allah" couple of times

then,



3:52

"There's another one.

There are more of them.

It's on top of the water.

It's getting closer slowly.

What the [hell - not really hell but ] are these?

It's very circular - What's that on top?

4:59
Look how it's lifting it

Unbelievable

Unbelievable

(mumbles - can't hear well to translate)

Do you see it?

Originally posted by sotp

Originally posted by FlySolo

Wow! Now I'm a douche bag?
Hey champ. Was I even talking to you? Sink a little lower perhaps.

I know you weren't talking to me, I was merely stating what I thought of the way you were responding to posts (not just mine).

I stand by that opinion.

Call the kettle black won't you. Shall I quote some of your "cocky" remarks to others or is your memory like a spaghetti drainer too ? Be gone with your hypocrisy.

Originally posted by sotp

Originally posted by trusername

how american to question why a turkish night watchman hasn't gone out and bought top end video equipment? may I suggest ... the price?

We're not all Americans here. And we've seen the camera he used, it's shown on the UFO centre report video. It doesn't look like a cheapo piece of crap to me. The point is if he can afford the camera and lens attachment why doesn't he buy a tripod? Even a cheap one?

I was more curious why a night watchman HAD gone out and bought top end video equipment. The Canon GL1 is a prosumer level camera, it's outdated by now but we don't know when he bought it.

Why does he need such an expensive camera? Is he an aspiring filmmaker? Does he have an interest in video journalism?

Canon GL1 MSRP of $2,699
Sony VCL-HGD1758 1.7x Lens Converter MSRP: $190.00

All that money and interest in making videos and he didn't buy a tripod? Seems odd.

reply to post by Heliocentric

The lights over the water are characteristic of the phenomenon known as a superior mirage. This occurs when there is a temperature inversion near the surface. They are very common over water and in particular in the early morning hours.

The effect of a superior mirage is that an inverted image of an object appears above the surface. The object can actually be beyond the horizon and not directly visible. A boat, or lights on a boat will appear to be floating in the air.

www.islandnet.com...

The lights could easily be a ferry boat, or a group or fishing boats just beyond the horizon. My dog barks at all kinds of stupid stuff...like a tennis ball lying on the ground in front of him. There's really no reason to make a connection between the barking dog and the lights. A very similar display appears in the earlier videos from the same cameraman, including one in which some fishermen close to shore are paying absolutely no attention to the lights.

reply to post by Phage


Thank you for that. Very interesting indeed. However, the mirage still seems a bit off. For instance:

Here the mirage is of the entire object
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f5796b53a575.jpg[/atsimg]

Here are the inverted lights
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/80ebdf26d9bc.jpg[/atsimg]

Why not the rest of the ship. More importantly, why lights along the hull and keel?

Still, a much more professional attempt and I thank you for not implying an oil rig or a domed structure 40 kms away

reply to post by FlySolo

Since the video seems to be made at first light there is not enough light sunlight to make the hull or superstructure visible, only the lights of the vessel. Fishing boats typically have very bright lights to illuminate the deck and/or to attract fish to the boat.

The arrangement of the lights may be odd but it could be a group of small boats with one bright light each or another mirage effect.

multiplied and either upright or inverted;

www.islandnet.com...

reply to post by Phage


Hello Phage!
Then you must have another good explanation for the first part of the video.
Please!

Thank's
Happy.

reply to post by Happyface


The strange lighting leads me to believe it is a model. tarifa37's demonstration furthers that belief.

reply to post by Phage

I would tend to think that this is extremely rare. In fact, to happen in the same location multiple times? These images seem rather smooth. Also, this was in May. That water would have to be very cold to produce such a clear and definitive mirage. I'm in at the pacific ocean in the west where the water reaches 16 degrees Celsius. The water in the pic must be colder and the air above much warmer.

wikipedia

Superior mirages are most common in polar regions, especially over large sheets of ice with a uniform low temperature. They also occur at more moderate latitudes, however, although in that case they are weaker and not so smooth.

[edit on 9-6-2009 by FlySolo]

[edit on 9-6-2009 by FlySolo]

reply to post by Phage


Thank's Phage.
Is it too much to ask you to make something similar for us? Telling is easier than doing.
I'm sure you would ask the same if you needed!

Peace
Happy.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Happyface

 

The strange lighting leads me to believe it is a model. tarifa37's demonstration furthers that belief.

Something else occurred to me. If this is a hoax, then the hoaxer would have to wait for a rare moment to witness a superior mirage. Then, combine that with a model. Seems a little far fetched to go through the lengths to perpetrate a hoax don't you think? Twice.

reply to post by FlySolo

Because they are most common in polar regions does not mean superior mirages are uncommon elsewhere. It is not the temperature of the water or the air which is important, it is the differential. I live in the tropics, and through good fortune, on the water. There is an island offshore which frequently in the morning, sometimes even in mid-summer, appears to float above the surface due to the phenomenon. When there are fishermen on the island their campfires can look very eerie.

If you view the earlier videos you can see both the lights which originate the mirage as well as the illusionary lights. Again, the fisherman in that video are not interested in the illusion in the least. They have seen it many times before. It is probably a very common occurrence there, as it is for me.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Heliocentric

 

The lights over the water are characteristic of the phenomenon known as a superior mirage. This occurs when there is a temperature inversion near the surface. They are very common over water and in particular in the early morning hours.

The effect of a superior mirage is that an inverted image of an object appears above the surface. The object can actually be beyond the horizon and not directly visible. A boat, or lights on a boat will appear to be floating in the air.

www.islandnet.com...

The lights could easily be a ferry boat, or a group or fishing boats just beyond the horizon. My dog barks at all kinds of stupid stuff...like a tennis ball lying on the ground in front of him. There's really no reason to make a connection between the barking dog and the lights. A very similar display appears in the earlier videos from the same cameraman, including one in which some fishermen close to shore are paying absolutely no attention to the lights.

The lights are definitely not caused by superior mirage due to the simple fact that they were actually casting a reflection in the water in some of last year's sightings. This obviously tells me that the lights were hovering in the air, and their reflections from the water underneath were being caused by the exact opposite phenomena -- inferior mirage. An example:



Now check out last year's footage (fast-forward to 2:45):



Not only that, but if their reflections are only seen some times and not others, this tells me that they're not fixated in one spot or area and are actually moving around.



[edit on 9-6-2009 by Itzamná]

reply to post by Itzamná

No.

The lower lights in the older footage are what is originating the mirage. The higher lights are the mirage (hence, "superior"), a mirror image. Both the real lights and the mirage appear at the same time because the real lights are not beyond the horizon as they are in the newer footage.




Here are more examples of the superior mirage
www.astronomycafe.net...

[edit on 6/9/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage


Well, I'm not going to argue with that. I respect your intelligence and good manors. With that said, not everything can be shown as mirages, lanterns, etc... you know where I am going.

I've seen lights dancing in the sky. Accelerating and stopping. Zigging, and zagging. Pairing off with each other and traveling over the city. Alien's from other worlds or top top secret advanced technology withheld from our crumby existence in a world full of hate. It is real and alive and kicking, here.

I can assure you.

reply to post by Phage


In every instance where superior mirage is present, the reflection/illusionary object or lights appear directly & symetrically above the source object/lights, not way up in the air as seen here:



I'm no scientist by any stretch of the mile, but I think what makes more sense is that the source lights are up in the air and their reflections are being cast off the water, hence the complete opposite of superior mirage (inferior mirage), as seen here:



And here:



[edit on 9-6-2009 by Itzamná]

Hey all!!

Wow this is some amazing work done by some of the top posters here...

personally im not sure what to make of the video...aliens in a space ship (like in the vid) is just very hard to digest...especially when there are so many hoaxes out there....one thing i do find interesting is the dog....animalia instinct is a very interesting subject when it comes to this vid. in my experiences with dogs they tend to pick up on sounds more than they do sights and unless this thing is giving off some high frequency waves of some sort i dont think the dog would even pay it any attention...

when the dog is present in the video his ears are standing erect as if he is keyed on some sound....now you might say its just the ocean but im sure if the dog is around the ocean enough it would be adapted to that sound....of course thats assuming the dog is around that area alot....

anyways.....great post and ive read every comment....hope we hear something soon from the conference in istanbul

gnarkill.

Hey all!!

Wow this is some amazing work done by some of the top posters here...

personally im not sure what to make of the video...aliens in a space ship (like in the vid) is just very hard to digest...especially when there are so many hoaxes out there....one thing i do find interesting is the dog....animalia instinct is a very interesting subject when it comes to this vid. in my experiences with dogs they tend to pick up on sounds more than they do sights and unless this thing is giving off some high frequency waves of some sort i dont think the dog would even pay it any attention...

when the dog is present in the video his ears are standing erect as if he is keyed on some sound....now you might say its just the ocean but im sure if the dog is around the ocean enough it would be adapted to that sound....of course thats assuming the dog is around that area alot....

anyways.....great post and ive read every comment....hope we hear something soon from the conference in istanbul

gnarkill.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Heliocentric

 

The lights over the water are characteristic of the phenomenon known as a superior mirage. This occurs when there is a temperature inversion near the surface. They are very common over water and in particular in the early morning hours.

The effect of a superior mirage is that an inverted image of an object appears above the surface. The object can actually be beyond the horizon and not directly visible. A boat, or lights on a boat will appear to be floating in the air.

www.islandnet.com...

The lights could easily be a ferry boat, or a group or fishing boats just beyond the horizon. My dog barks at all kinds of stupid stuff...like a tennis ball lying on the ground in front of him. There's really no reason to make a connection between the barking dog and the lights. A very similar display appears in the earlier videos from the same cameraman, including one in which some fishermen close to shore are paying absolutely no attention to the lights.

Hey Phage

I am by no means an expert on weather phenomenon, so I had to read up on your superior mirage theory. I realized I've seen superior mirages at sea myself, without knowing how to define it.

After watching hundreds of "superior mirage" photos posted on the net and comparing them to this video, it just doesn't seem to stick. Not saying that it cannot be, but it seems unlikely compared to the many examples of boats, sun and city lights involved in superior mirages at sea seen on photo (post us one photo or video that even comes close to this, and I will take it into consideration). I believe some kind of glow or halo should emanate from below if the lights came from boats, because those are strong, intense lights, but there's not even a hint of it.

So, is the superior mirage theory more likely than the Pleiadian starship opening up a hovering seafront restaurant theory? Who knows...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/33424fb58f78.png[/atsimg]

When I blew up a still of the lights, I clearly see a body to it, and that body does not spell fishingboat or ferry to me, but then again I'm not an expert on fishingboats or ferries either. It's just that feeling that you really have to squeeze that circle into the square to make it fit into a perfectly logical explanation.

And by the way, according to you, all the rest is fake, but this part of the video is real (in effect a superior mirage caused by a boat)? It seems to me that the daytime object is the same as the nighttime object, so why not go all the way and call this a fake too? Why the superior mirage explanation?

We're lucky to have a member here that lives in the proximity of Kemburgaz; deccal, who posted this earlier in the thread:

I live only 1 hour away from Kemerburgaz, where this all stuff are witnessed. I will definitly go there this month and make a camp, but I only have a cheap cell phone camera, but still, I am very curious about all these. Wish me luck

He should be able to clear up this silly oil rig theory at least, that will save this thread a couple of pages of nonsense posts... hopefully.