Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

Originally posted by AnonymousMoose
Just wait until Codex Alimentarius goes into affect and the WHO creates strict international standards on supplements...all of these natural cures will be illegal

There needs to be regulation. I know it sux logistically but really, I have seen "health" supplements with absolute wild variations in quality and ingredients. If you want to play Russian roulette go ahead.

Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
The American Pharmaceutical and Medical industries are completely out of control. They are domestically what the military industrial complex is abroad. They literally flood our streets with drugs worse than the illegal ones, and do whatever they can to get people hooked. What's the worse drug on the street right now? Not coke, smack, or black tar heroin... no it's oxycontin. What is oxycontin? Synthetic #ing heroin. People get hooked on Oxys accidentally or through legit use, can't afford to pay the exorbitant prices for it anymore, and then switch over to the legit heroin. I've seen this happen time and time again in my area. That stuff has destroyed the lives of many people I know. It's no surprise to me these corrupt evil people who run these companies would do their utmost to suppress legit medicine and cures (look how hard these pigs medicinal marijuana, it's a joke) I'm convinced it's all just a revolving game.

Just to confirm that what you are saying is indeed true, and not just some myth.

My roommate has just made the synthetic to legit (needle) conversion. He was no longer able to afford his other stuff so now he has to have some street kid dope him up. Now he's moving back with his parents next month because he can't support himself or his habits anymore. He's 26.

I have a thread I made a few months ago regarding cancer cure and GC-Maf.

Even a self-claimed journalist from NY , said he was gonna take a look and see if he could get it out in the open , though I have not heard from him since.

The thread is www.abovetopsecret.com...
As a matter of fact I recently found an update on it , and it is in my last post of the thread.

Sad times we live in.

Let's be realistic. This miracle cure seems too good to be true. Let's stick to expensive and inadequate medicine offered by pharmaceutic industry. At least we know they're honestly doing their best (to earn our money)

Originally posted by AnonymousMoose
Just wait until Codex Alimentarius goes into affect and the WHO creates strict international standards on supplements...all of these natural cures will be illegal

Read what happened to Wilhelm Reich...

en.wikipedia.org...

In 1947, following a series of critical articles about orgone and his political views in The New Republic and Harper's,[5] the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) began an investigation into his claims about orgone, winning an injunction against the interstate sale of orgone accumulators. Charged with contempt of court for violating the injunction, Reich conducted his own defense, which involved sending the judge all his books to read, and arguing that a court was no place to decide matters of science. He was sentenced to two years in prison, and in August 1956, several tons of his publications were burned by the FDA in a garbage incinerator in New York City.[6][7] He died of heart failure in jail just over a year later, days before he was due to apply for parole.[8]

several tons of his publications were burned by the FDA

Burned, like at those times of witch-hunt!

I can argue this both ways. If there's a guy preaching cures and the FDA (or whatever gov't agency you choose to insert here) finds that his "cure" is actually hurting people, I don't blame them for burning information. Bad information spreads like wildfire. Now add money and conspiracy theories and it spreads even faster and further.

I could also make the argument that I find it hard to believe that after all of this time we haven't been able to develop a cure for any of the major diseases - AIDS, cancer, diabetes, etc. And yes, the amount of money to be made from "trials", "experiments", "research", etc. is mind-boggling and very profitable.

And, I could also see the argument that if money were the root, natural disasters for use in depopulation wouldn't work to bring in money.

I just have a really hard time believing all of this. Wouldn't it make more sense to create a bunch of deadly diseases AND create the cure? That way, everybody would have at least a disease or two and have to buy the cure? Why wouldn't they trade the money earned through chemo/radiation for money for a cure? Money is money. They could always just create more diseases to get more money.

I just think that they could find a cure for these diseases and still manage to make money. Let's face it - dead people don't spend much money.

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I can argue this both ways. If there's a guy preaching cures and the FDA (or whatever gov't agency you choose to insert here) finds that his "cure" is actually hurting people, I don't blame them for burning information. Bad information spreads like wildfire. Now add money and conspiracy theories and it spreads even faster and further.

His method is accepted elsewhere, and it is still banned in America.
He was held in prison for "contempt" - would you like to be held in prison for the same reason, without a trial?

Originally posted by Eitimzevinten
Is a rare but potential side effect the trimming of telomere in every cell in the body thus greatly decreasing ones life span?

What do you think Chemo does ?

Chemo decreases everything in ones body.

If it decreases your life expectancy a little with no other side effects then its an already 10,000% improved treatment.

Originally posted by Eitimzevinten
Is a rare but potential side effect the trimming of telomere in every cell in the body thus greatly decreasing ones life span?

Who cares, your gonna die from Cancer anyways.

So, according to the 'virtues of capitalism', we hear all the time how the incentive of making money spurs industry to do better. It's the number one pro argument whenever anytime the word 'socialism' gets thrown around. You hear, "You can't give healthcare over to the government, why, no one will try hard because you've taken the profit incentive out of it and the quality of care will falter". It's also a big argument against regulation as well. And yet, nothing makes it more clear that pure, UNBRIDLED capitalism is as much greed as anything else, as examination of the pharmacutials industry.

I am not arguing against capitalism, but rather, just for some moderation. Making money cannot be our number one virtue.

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Of course not. I only attempted to defend the burning of information, not his imprisonment.

There are many things that are accepted in other countries that are banned in the US - public hangings, communism, etc. Doesn't make them right.

edit to add: I realize they are not the same - but I was simply making the point that just because things are accepted elsewhere doesn't make them acceptable everywhere.

Further, no I do not think his imprisonment is right. Period. I think there are too many trumped up ways to keep people behind bars whenever it suits the gov't's purpose.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by lpowell0627]

I have some background in the medical field. My wife was an MD who died young of Cancer.

Cancer is not a single disease, an aggregate of illnesses that share the body's inability to control it's own cell reproduction.

So there can be no single Cancer cure because the causes and specifics vary.
Minimizing exposure to carcinogens is the most effective form of prevention.

If you check through the medical literature of the past decades you'll find reports of many many Cancer breakthroughs. Most have proven not as effective as hoped.

One shouldn't rush to judgement on condemning all of modern medicine. Admittedly the pharmaceutical giants are monstrously greedy and abuse their authority. And doctors genuinely lack the time to keep up with all literature pro and con. More modern doctors are aware that too many pharmaceuticals being used can be as threatening as some diseases. It's called adverse drug interference and kills many millions. But it is still difficult to monitor.

Western medicine is slanted towards alleviating symptoms not outright cures. Advisable to anyone is to find the root causes of medical conditions and deal with them.

Cancer rates will probably continue to be wildly escalated until some of the the causes are removed from our environment.

I recommend reading the latest literature on this subject

Mike



[edit on 6-6-2009 by mmiichael]

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Go to TheDCAsite.com

The people there can answer any questions you have and point you to places where you can purchase DCA safely, and places to avoid, also learn techniques from others that are using it. Like combining it with caffine seems to be helping people, I think it was black tea.

--Z

sounds like a promising drug however there are many risks associated with this substance. not sure if anyone researched it, but here's a good study www.epa.gov...

of course chemo or radiation may be worse but anyone considering this should be under medical supervision.

Overt clinical signs were evident in the high-dose animals throughout the duration of the experiment. Dyspnea (shortness of breath or difficulty in breathing) was observed in high-dose animals starting at day 45, and worsened with time. Partial paralysis of the hind limbs was observed in three animals in the high-dose group during the latter half of the exposure period. Conjunctivitis was observed in 24/30 treated animals and a few controls during the first month, and became more severe later in the study. The occurrence of ocular effects appeared to be dose-related, with 8 of 10 high-dose dogs affected. Reduced food and water intake was noted in DCA-treated dogs, although the effect did not appear to be dose-related. High-dose males exhibited a 16% reduction in body weight, while high-dose females and mid-dose males experienced a 9% reduction in weight gain over the duration of the study. Mid-dose females exhibited an 11% reduction in weight gain. Dogs in the mid- and high-dose groups experienced sporadic diarrhea. The most severely affected dogs required fluid therapy to prevent severe dehydration. One female and two males treated at 72 mg/kg-day died during the study. The deaths were attributed to pneumonia and dehydration.

The cumulative incidence of hepatocellular carcinomas significantly increased in animals exposed to 1 g/L (71%), 2 g/L (95%), and 3.5 g/L (100%) when compared to controls (26%). Hepatocellular carcinoma multiplicity (tumor/animal) significantly increased in all treatment groups as follows: 0.05 g/L (0.58), 0.5 g/L (0.68), 1 g/L (1.29), 2 g/L (2.47) and 3.5 g/L (2.90) compared to the control group (0.28). The cumulative incidence of hepatocellular adenomas was also significantly increased in animals exposed to 1 g/L (51.4%), 2 g/L (42.9%), and 3.5 g/L (45%) as compared to controls (10%) and the 0.5 g/L group (20%).

Originally posted by mmiichael
Cancer is not a single disease, an aggregate of illnesses that share the body's inability to control it's own cell reproduction.

So there can be no single Cancer cure because the causes and specifics vary.

One shouldn't rush to judgement on condemning all of modern medicine. Admittedly the pharmaceutical giants are monstrously greedy and abuse their authority. And doctors genuinely lack the time to keep up with all literature pro and con. More modern doctors are aware that too many pharmaceuticals being used can be as threatening as some diseases. It's called adverse drug interference and kills many millions. But it is still difficult to monitor.

i agree that cancer is not just one disease. it's as if you're saying bacterial infections are all the same and they're not. although we've learned how to cope with them pretty well and because of antibiotics we don't need to know the exact location of the infection to drain it like it used to be done a century ago.

my hope is that there will be tests just like the virus/bacteria tests we have today which can tell you what strain you've got and which type of medicine will effectively fight it off. and of course as with bacterial infections, many other factors need to work together, like hygiene, avoiding certain foods (you're not supposed to have milk or dairy with antibiotics!) and generally following a protocol which will help your body fight it off.

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I have some background in the medical field. My own wife was an MD who died yound og Cancer. Cancer is not a single disease, an aggregate of illnesses that share the body's inability to control it's own cell reproduction. So there can be no single Cancer cure because the causes and specifics vary.
Minimizing exposure to carcinogens is the mostt effective formof prevention. One shouldn't rush to judgement on condemning all of modern medicine. Admittedly the pharmaceutical giants are monstrously greedy and abuse their authority. And doctors genuinely lack the time to keep up with all literature pro and con. More modern doctors are aware that too many pharmaceuticals being used can be as threatening as some diseases. It's called adverse drug interference and kills many millions. But it is still difficult to monitor. Western medicine is slanted towards alleviating symptoms not outright cures. Advisable to anyone is to find the root causes of medical conditions and deal with them. Cancer rates will probably continue to be wildly escalated until some of the the causes are removed from our environment.

Yes, people will continue to pollute their bodies while screaming for a cure!
Good stuff and spot on! I can tell you have medical experience!
You are basically saying what I have been.
Cancer is a disease of the entire system.
There are alternatives to being a doctors guinea pig!
Your health, your choice! Do you really trust someone making huge
amounts of money from you to know whats right for you,
or do YOU take care of you? I chose the latter and its worked great!
Thank you for your words here! Great add!

P.S. I go to a doctor for broken bones and antibiotics, thats it.
Maybe thats why I stay healthy!
Like a flu shot gives you the flu, you go to the doctors to GET sick!



[edit on 6-6-2009 by dodadoom]

Well, the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies are all about money. It's not a secret. While I am saddened by the fact that they are not recognizing the drug, I can't say that I am surprised.

Originally posted by Eitimzevinten
Is a rare but potential side effect the trimming of telomere in every cell in the body thus greatly decreasing ones life span?

I know what you're saying but I think cancer also has the effect of greatly decreasing ones life span.. don't you?

It's truely sickening. There have been cures around for some time now but none of them can be patented. No money == no drugs.
Cancer cured

Our society needs te rethink the way it operates, people need to open their eyes and say STOP, NO MORE!

Not that I think I will see that happen in my lifetime, but a man can dream ey.


[edit on 6-6-2009 by sn00daard]

Originally posted by dodadoom
Who's medicine do you trust anyway? God or man's?

Originally posted by dodadoom
P.S. I go to a doctor for broken bones and antibiotics, thats it.
Maybe thats why I stay healthy!
Like a flu shot gives you the flu, you go to the doctors to GET sick!

yep God's medicine was the big thing! it's well known and written clearly in the history of humanity. people who lived before the 1900s were living hundreds of years, before industry and medicine came along and shortened it to a mere 70 years on average...

you do realize that i'm sarcastic in my previous paragraph right? the point is that "natural" medicine up to the 1900s has done nothing to help people live longer. they were swallowing mercury and other good stuff like that

it's very true that a profit-based pharma won't be interested in cheap remedies because there's no way to get the costs out of the clinical trials. i believe that we need a govt sponsored program like the Manhattan Project where pharma is given subsidies to carry out their trials and subsidies if the cost of testing or manufacturing the drug is higher than the profit they would get. i'm sure big Pharma would line up for it!

your comment about vaccines shows how well informed you are and i admire you for doing that! i'm sure you have a medical degree, have worked with cell cultures and vaccines and have the authority to say they don't work!