Me being paranoid...or am I...paranoid

[edit on 6-6-2009 by SneakerChimp]

And what is YOUR background of experience in this type of scenario? Or are you just a cop hater?

Do you have any ex-military (specialized training) or know anyone who has had specialized training? Most have a sixth sense of crap about to hit the fan. It saves lives and I would trust that anyday. I am a lucky individual who can sense danger most of the time myself. It's only when I ignore that bad feeling that I get into trouble.

From what I understand he followed procedure in notifying the individual he was an off-duty officer, he gave witnesses info to explain to cops if it hit the fan.

What part do you have a problem with exactly?


Couldn't have said it better myself.



but I received this in my mailbox today. I'm shocked over it, and don't know how to feel otherwise. I don't really understand the note fully, and the folder and stationery are just ..well shocking. and the hologram seal stated as my clearance is what confuses me the most.

heres the folder
i207.photobucket.com...

heres the note
i207.photobucket.com...

and heres the hologram
i207.photobucket.com...

my camera isn't that great I aplogize

Originally posted by HugmyRek
I can't recall any offers that I have refused, in my military life, or in civi life.

Not even something seemingly innocent or expected like your buddies or superiors asking you to a whorehouse while in your combat days in the mid east or 'wherever'?

Nothing?? No offers of graft, take my 50 bucks or 6 grand officer, no one will notice, you deserve it.

No offers to view child or teen pornography or to take drugs or mess with the locals? No job description or volunteer deployment activity turned down?


These are some ideas for back thinking.

I am not a police person, but I feel you acted precisely to the model. I have a copy of the use of force model somewhere; it's good for regular people too who don't know how to handle violence situations. And Trigger is an excellent name.

I am sorry for what you, your pally, and your dear heart girlfriend are going through and feel there is much more the gov should and can do to reprimand the person or entity who threatenly harrassed you.

I believe this is a test in the shortcomings of law and justice. I wish we had an ATS Legal forum here.

I would caution about giving out samples of your handwriting; they can be reverse engineered to, for instance be used in the planting of a suicide note.

I would also wish to reccomend that you discuss this occurrace with your church members, being masonic and a bit up and up and out there on things unseen, they might, if even unwilling to let on or divulge be priveledged to the information if only for the opportunity to in future cases, if in the event of the other worldly of any type, be able to have at least a minimal plan of defense... for the community.

Please don't flame me. I don't think you will, but masons...otherworldly..strange talk...blah. Not something I would normally shudder to glance upon with an officer of the law.

I'm not going to flame you I believe you responded with your opinion and thats awesome, I seriously think of myself as very easy to get along with, and I sincerely appreciate everyones input here, well except the trollers who are just assy.

I was never offered to go to a whorehouse lol. I like to stay disease free, and I would definitely turn down child or teen porn if offered, thats just disturbing lol. My unit never mistreated locals, and I honestly don't recall cash offers or anything. I was offered cigarettes and chew, and I gladly accepted smokes or chew for when we couldn't smoke.

Seems like you have a new job.

SAD

That`s some f***ed up sh**!

What does the note say, the 2 lines on top?

Here's a better picture on the note, my camera skills are a fail

i207.photobucket.com...

[edit on 6/7/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

So what do your cop coworkers think of this? And your supervisor?

Why would they put a huge folder with CIA all over it in your mailbox complete with letterhead? A little obvious, I would think. CIA does not seem to work that way. I do not believe they would be making some kind of super secret contact with you - all awhile announcing who they are in such a blatant way.

And what is this about "your security clearance is enclosed". A security clearance is not something you physically hold. It is not an ID card. As being in the military, you would know this.

Can you post a picture of this security clearance?

Sounds like a practical joke is being played on you.




[edit on 6/7/2009 by greeneyedleo]

That struckme ass odd about the "clearance" as well, the little hologram enclosed is the same size as the one on my army ID, but with a different federal logo. I'm guessing some sort of play on words, or something they feel I would know what it means. It did have a serial number on it.

As for the folder and letterhead...I have seen alot of the FBI and CIA operate in plain view, everyone knows who they are, and they know tampering with a mailbox is a fed offense and that just doesn't happen in my neighborhood.

I dunno, just my thoughts

reply to post by parisinflames

As for the folder and letterhead...I have seen alot of the FBI and CIA operate in plain view, everyone knows who they are, and they know tampering with a mailbox is a fed offense and that just doesn't happen in my neighborhood.

[edit on 6/7/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by parisinflames

 

As for the folder and letterhead...I have seen alot of the FBI and CIA operate in plain view, everyone knows who they are, and they know tampering with a mailbox is a fed offense and that just doesn't happen in my neighborhood.

Then why not directly contact you - at your home - face to face - if they are going to send correspondence to you on letterhead and a folder with huge logo that is blatantly obvious. This makes no sense. Sounds like a huge hoax IMO. Like a huge joke being played on you.

That struckme ass odd about the "clearance" as well, the little hologram enclosed is the same size as the one on my army ID, but with a different federal logo

Can you take a picture of this security clearance - a complete photo of exactly what they sent you? Thanks

Also, again, what do your fellow cops and your supervisor say about this. Shouldn't you as a cop be informing them that you are being stalked?



[edit on 6/7/2009 by greeneyedleo]

I thought I had a picture of the hologram seal? my camera just wont take a good picture of it, but I will try again later. My cities PD was just kind of wide eyed when I took the folder in, and the detective just said, I've only seen something like this once before. He told me being a former sniper, I may be sought after as an asset, esp. with having recon and combat experience. And since I didn't stick around at the park, they may use a more direct approach.

The guys at my station are just kind of clueless,shocked, and I get alot of mixed responses, They all know me pretty well so they know I'm not nuts or making it up. and my CO's at my station just say "Airborne, don't go leaving us for the feds" "they want your 950 yd. shot for their own." just typical crap.

reply to post by parisinflames

I thought I had a picture of the hologram seal? my camera just wont take a good picture of it, but I will try again later.

[edit on 6/7/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Best thing to do would be to contact the CIA and the FBI with those documents as they could be total bs.

I once knew a guy who impersonated a Coast Guard official and ended up having a whole team of special forces thinking they were performing secret government missions- thankfully they escaped to Canada.

Um. Also, about stickers and telling people your personal plans on the net- "I'm off at one, going to sit up in the dark, no one ever folows me home, ect.."

Stickers themselves are used widely in retail to track products. I think I heard somewhere that even the police use some type of this tech to track suspicious cars, perhaps-maybe not. They are definately in almost everything we purchase.

The enemy if there is one is high tech. You could be being followed simply with that hologram-or a translucent sticker disc gps on your car? Microphones and cameras on pc's can be tapped into, right? Phones.

I'm over thinking. I'm the one paranoid :-)
That is really creepy, though, go up and talk to someone!

Why an agency would want to take a guy away from what he truly loves- I don't know.

Maybe now is a good time to cash in an unexpected month vacation and take you and your family anywhere but Paris for awhile until after the 17th. Cabo?

reply to post by parisinflames


My 2 cents: Someone is trying to recruit someone, and they may have mis-IDd you as the shooter in Afghanistan they are impressed with. You probably have the right look and demeanor, and might have coincidentally been at a meeting place. Mistaken ID happens when the stuff's gettin' deep. Alternatively they may have pulled an MK-ULTRA type thing on you, though not that likely from what you've posted.

Last time I was face-to-face with a stranger who was grinning at me, he had a Buck Folding Hunter open and buried behind the palm with the tip just barely visible with a glint from the streetlight. Luckily I was observant. My dad was undercover LE in 60's & early 70's. I got to be observant (a.k.a. paranoid) from some things that happened to us. 30 years ago there was one guy in a Trench-coat with business attire who stood about 20 ft from me and scoped me out for way too long. I was an undergrad eating lunch at the university outdoor pavillion, and it freaked me out. Then years later I considered maybe he was gay and I just didn't get it! Seriously, my inner warning system told me there was something to worry about with the creepy look to this guy.

TO quote someone: "Paranoid? I'm only paranoid 'cause I know the facts." OP I don't think you're paranoid, you've been where most of the naysayers and trolls on this thread have not. Keep that peripheral vision on.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by 1SawSomeThings]

i beleive you, former marine here and i too have had 2 very strange and similiar circumstances. not going to say alot as the room has eyes persay, but keep both eyes open and your pistol very close and your wits even closer. if it gets worse you might want to move. the non beleivers will never beleive, the fools will always beleive in hope and change. so you must have your eyes wide open to the truth, if you know what i mean.

hopefully you have friends that can watch your back for awhile. best luck, cause my endevors took over a year and a move to get over

best luck cause i know exactly what your going through!

To be honest, a similar thing happened to my dad when he got out of the Air Force. He was approached by people who described themselves as mercs. He turned them down.

Honeslty, I would go to the nearest FBI or CIA branch office and have them check it out. This may be legit, or it may not be. They will be able to tell. I can totally see some two-bit merc group pulling something like this in an attempt to recruit you.

It was legit...I turned down the offer....again

so I'm left wondering Now what?

reply to post by parisinflames


You did the right thing.

The CIA has no mandate to be so Operational in the Continental United States.

Accepting the offer would have put you at risk of Violating your Oath to uphold and Defend the Constitution.

*But then again, if you did accept; you would be ordered to come on here and tell us that you did not accept.....

Don't take up with spooks - You'll never be allowed to retire. You will always be on call.

reply to post by parisinflames


Can you refer them to me, i'm a member of SAD

Originally posted by parisinflames
It was legit...I turned down the offer....again

so I'm left wondering Now what?

[edit on 6/8/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by parisinflames
It was legit...I turned down the offer....again

so I'm left wondering Now what?

How was it legit?

And again, can you take a picture of your "security clearance card". Im curious as to what it looks like and Im sure others are too.



[edit on 6/8/2009 by greeneyedleo]

There was no "card" I went directly to the federal building in Detroit and spoke to someone to verify it's authenticity, after about a half hour, I spoke with a gentleman from the CIA who apologized for his agents approach, and the trouble, and he explained tht my military records records, and overseas activities placed me in a high demand for their "division" and I would start asap and be placed at various locations, doing different tasks etc. I refused again, and asked kindly if I could stop being bothered with it. That I was happy as a police officer, and just wanted to be a happy peaceful perspn, he stated its payscale...and wow! It would have been nice, if I didn't have to oneday be KIA. He promised me Iwould be left alone from now on, I doubt thats true but...let's just find out


again thank you everyone for your info and help
much appreciated.

Paris,
I have read the entire thread and some things just do not add up for me. The patrol men arrived extremely quickly... what are the typical police response times for "persons acting suspicious" incidents?

Why would you even think of drawing your weapon on a guy who your dog was growling at and you felt uneasy with? You felt threatened by him? Whichever way you cut it, he DID NOT physically threaten you (or is it a "mens rea" thing in the USA?). How would you drawing a weapon on him in that scenario stand up in court? I am not familiar with USA off duty Police protocol on drawing weapons, perhaps you or someone else could enlighten me on the law.

(Photobucket uploaded photo) Is that a silencer on your MP 5? Why would anyone not involved in clandestine military operations need a silencer?

The CIA logo on the folder that you posted appears to be Fake..... go to CIA.com and check out their logo against that on the folder, notice the main horizontal points on the star and their alignment with the letters, then look at the feather details on the eagles neck.... nuff said.

Your story continues to drip feed information to keep the reader interested. It reminds me of the girl who spent lots of her time in daddy reptiles pouch.
I wish you and those around you all the best,

PEACE
RK.

Originally posted by Rigel Kent
Paris,
I have read the entire thread and some things just do not add up for me. The patrol men arrived extremely quickly... what are the typical police response times for "persons acting suspicious" incidents?

Why would you even think of drawing your weapon on a guy who your dog was growling at and you felt uneasy with? You felt threatened by him? Whichever way you cut it, he DID NOT physically threaten you (or is it a "mens rea" thing in the USA?). How would you drawing a weapon on him in that scenario stand up in court? I am not familiar with USA off duty Police protocol on drawing weapons, perhaps you or someone else could enlighten me on the law.

(Photobucket uploaded photo) Is that a silencer on your MP 5? Why would anyone not involved in clandestine military operations need a silencer?

The CIA logo on the folder that you posted appears to be Fake..... go to CIA.com and check out their logo against that on the folder, notice the main horizontal points on the star and their alignment with the letters, then look at the feather details on the eagles neck.... nuff said.

Your story continues to drip feed information to keep the reader interested. It reminds me of the girl who spent lots of her time in daddy reptiles pouch.
I wish you and those around you all the best,

PEACE
RK.

ok to answer your questions, since the police station is literally 120 yards away from the point where I was, response time is very quick, esp when officers are on a main patrol route alongside the main street that the park sits behind. I have already explained why I thought opf drawing my weapon, It did not come out, and my words were a deterrent, I dont think little kids should see my dog tearing someone apart, or see me choking someone down to the ground, it was a safer scenario for me and it followed protocol for an off duty officer. I put up with enough violence during work, you think I want to throw down in a park while I'm trying to relax? Since you are not familiar with the USA laws for citizens and officers I would just suggest..trust what I did was correct. I am a trained officer, and in the military I was highly trained in dangerous situations. I have a 6th sense for when I'm in danger.


Yes that is a silencer on my MP5..I have it simply because I can. we have this great thing in the US called the 2nd amendment, which basically allows any law abiding citizen the right to keep and bear arms. and since I am LE I am allowed to own a select fire suppressed MP5 whereas the regular civilian could as well, but just have to pay an arm and a leg. I also have many other select fire weapons, as well as silenced.

as for the CIA logo, I dunno, and I don't care. I turned it down, so as for its authenticity...I do not care. I was told what I was told ,by whom I was told it by, rejected the offer, and went on with my life. If it turned out to be a fake...that would have been better to know that someone was not interested in me but life goes on.

as for who believes it, I never cared about that either. I got the input I was hoping for, the situation is over, and I'm glad. I thanked those who needed to be thanked, and case closed.