Would you trust the 'light at the end of the tunnel'?

Hello all. So I have been reading a lot of stuff lately on nde's, and actually could say I've indirectly dealt with one myself(my fiancee had one).

He left his body in the hospital, turned around and saw himself and knew he was dead, then saw a huge tunnel of light but when he got closer it turned into almost a little ball or orb almost(i.e. perception was a bit different here). He then heard soft voices and almost hands or something tugging at him trying to coax him into this tunnel. Well long story short he just was not accepting it and just walked away from the light in the other direction and his exact quote when he told me this was, "If I don't like being forced to do something in my life, why would I allow it to happen once I'm dead?!' Lol. I thought it was kind of funny.

Anyways, I wanted to see what you guys think of this. I have heard/read about soul-catchers(possibly tied to mkultra? i think?), and have heard of things such as soothing voices telling you to go into the light.

I have also heard from some that you should just run away from the light. I mean how do you realllly truly know your not just being duped? People 'feel' right things all the time and are wrong. Perception is a tricky thing.

I am not religious, but am very spiritual. I believe that there is something to all of this, life after death and whatnot, but it almost pulls up a red flag to me just because every religion, belief structure, etc., EVER, has told you to go to 'go into the light my son'.

What gives?

I've seen two kinds of light. Trust your instincts.

The warm glow that feels warm and loving is much better than the cold clinical light.

That's all I know.

It's hard to tell what is really happening in those final seconds with your synapses firing off like mad.

Could it be the religious angle? Sure, but personally I don't believe in it.

Being that energy is ever constant, I like to think that our "energy" never truly dissipates, but who really knows....

Suppose you really do die and are not able to come back.

You either stay in the tunnel forever bored out of your mind or you go and see whats at the end.

I'm going into the light, I can't be stuck in the tunnel forever.

I've actually experienced these Orbs.
But I didn't die to do it.
I had a huge migraine one night (I've never had a migraine before in my life.
Headaches occassionally sure. But never a migraine)

Anyway I was out of paracetemol and the shops were closed so I decided to lie down and see if the migraine went away.
I was between sleep and awake and had a very lucid dream of being surrounded by these bright lights that turned into orbs that were dancing around me. I was engulfed with the most beautiful warm feeling I've ever experienced.
I could feel the lucid dream slipping away and I was chasing them. I didn't want the orbs to leave.

I got up and the feeling lasted for 4 hours afterward.
It was a warm glowing feeling that I've never had before or since.
I truly felt like I had died and gone to heaven and come back.

I rang up a friend of mine who is still a Nurse at a hospital and asked her what she thought. She thought I may have had a slight stroke as the experience resembled something that she's commonly heard from stroke victims.

I had myself checked by a doctor and he said it was possible but unlikely I had a stroke as I don't have high blood pressure or any other stroke symptoms. He said it was probably a result of the migraine.

Very strange anyway.

The reason I bring this up is if these orbs that are this light at the end of the tunnel, I can see why people want to go to them. I cannot begin to describe or put into words the absolute oneness you feel with it.

I guess if you were to put it in religious terms, if the AC wants souls to go through some portal to hell, it would have to be something wonderful and not scary to get you to do it.
Anything is possible I guess.

Thanks for your responses! Hopefully I'll get some more people stumbling onto this thread.

Just to clarify. Light 'at the end of a tunnel' was more or less a figure of speech. My fiancee described it as just bright light, almost resembling as such, but not so much so that you have nowhere else to go but 'into' it.

Or maybe it just had something to do with the fact that he really wasn't dying. Who knows, but just wanted to clear that up.

If you question everything in your life, wouldn't you question things after too?

How could deception 'no longer be an option'? I don't know if I buy that. Then you could be screwed most because you let your guard down immediately.

Two kinds of light make sense to me. But what do I know.. I've never had that experience myself.

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I've heard John Lear say not to go into the light. Not that I'm a supporter at all of Lears theories, but it may be something for you to look into.

Originally posted by jimminycricket
I've heard John Lear say not to go into the light. Not that I'm a supporter at all of Lears theories, but it may be something for you to look into.

I guess he rather spend eternity in the tunnel.

Personally, I do not believe in any sort of afterlife. In fact i think all these tunnels and bright lights and other supernatural stuff is only a product of our brain shutting down and getting confused during those last moments of life. I also heard before that when people see themselves, they were probably looking at a mirror in the ceiling and thought that they were looking at their dead body.
Now i have never been in a situation of near-death experience, but if that happens to me and i find no logical explanations (such as viewing my body when there are no mirrors above me) then i'll have to question my beliefs and eat a humble pie. Until then i will be extremely skeptical about "the tunnel".
However, for the sake of argument, assuming there is in fact some sort of bright tunnel one must go through to reach some place after death, i would probably NOT go through the tunnel.
first, because there is no guarantee that the place at the end of the tunnel is going to be pleasant. Maybe some voices will tell you softly to go through it, only to find out afterwards they were some sort of evil demonic fairies who want to rip you to pieces for all eternity. I might end up in some sort of hell or torture for being naive and listening to the beautiful voices.
Or, maybe if i go through the tunnel i might end in some sort of paradise or heaven. I believe it would get maddening boring pretty quickly. Imagine an eternity of having to do nothing. no need to rest or eat because i'm already dead and there is no need to take care of my body- because i won't have one in the first place. No need to procreate because there is no reason any longer to ensure the survival of the human race. No need to work because there will probably be infinite food and shelter. Life (or existence to be more exact, since I would not be alive) would really have no point.
I prefer the thought of ceasing to exist and stay unconscious for all eternity than existing in a boring paradise or a horrible hell.
I prefer staying in the tunnel, much better not to risk it than taking my chances and plummet into some hellhole for being naive. Not that I would like the only options apparently offered anyway.

Something to speculate indeed. It just makes me really skeptical if there is such a thing as some sort of 'soul-catcher'.

Talk about the ultimate trick! Wiping your mind and just dumping you back into a body. Talk about slavery..

Originally posted by jimminycricket
I've heard John Lear say not to go into the light. Not that I'm a supporter at all of Lears theories, but it may be something for you to look into.

I think Robert Morning Sky (writer of the Terra Papers) also said not to "go to the light". Just something to look into as well.

Personally, I'd like to think I would assess the situation and make a decision. I don't know what to expect or how to prepare for it at this point, but I don't think I would go to the light without a little contemplation.

To the OP: Pretty awesome that your fiance came back from the other side (whatever that may be) to be with you!

Originally posted by jimminycricket
I've heard John Lear say not to go into the light. Not that I'm a supporter at all of Lears theories, but it may be something for you to look into.

Yeah, I heard that too, back in the day when Art Bell was still hosting. 1997?

It is a chilling prospect. To make a choice like that in a pinch. To leave the warm light and go into the darkness. Someone once told me that was the way to go. I haven't heard of a 2 light choice theory before. But when I was just a wee plucky I remember this book my mom would read to me. It was about emotions. And how emotions could be described as "warm and fuzzy" or "cold and prickly". This could very well be the 2 choices one must make in the tunnel.

Here is the text:

www.emotional-literacy.com...

Here is the video:

www.youtube.com...

I haven't heard a whole lot about dream catchers, I guess I better check that out.

I have never had a NDE, but I have had several OBEs. One just a week or so ago. Before this happened I had dismissed the existence of the soul, an afterlife or an overall meaning. I thought we were nothing more than a creation of time and matter as a parasite using the Earth as a host.

A process of life - born, live, die - hopefully make some babies to keep the project going. It didn't really make sense for this to be what is really going on, but at the same time it was so simple it made perfect sense.

The simplest answer is usually right, right? I thought so. Then things got a little more complicated.

What I understand is that OBEs and NDEs are very similiar. If this is the case, then a person having an OBE can't be explained away as the brain is firing off crazy.

After I had my first OBE things changed almost instantly. People who have never had one and believe like I did just shake their head ignore what these experiences represent.

I don't blame them. If you didn't have eyes and had never heard about seeing anything before and someone tried to explain to you how things look you would look at them crazy.

If you ever have an experience like this you will know it's real.

Imagine standing up where you are right now, walking two or three steps, and turning around. When you look back where you just walked from and where you were sitting you see yourself, sitting down. Everything is perfectly clear and you are completely coherent. If something like this ever happens to you, you will know it is real.

Anyways, I couldn't imagine going to the light, just because the abilities you have when you are out of your body is enough to keep anyone entertained for a long, long, long time. Why would you want to go anywhere else? It sounds like conditioning for people to do when they die.

You hear about the light, going into the light, and it is made out to be a peaceful and correct thing to do. It is almost second nature to do it if it appears.

Should you go or not? It's hard to know, I don't think I will if I ever see it.

One thing is for sure; that is not the time to be procrastinating.



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[edit on 5-6-2009 by esteay812]

I've heard it refered to as a giant bug trap

As I posted elsewhere, I used to be part of a group who believed that the light would cause spiritual death, or that you'd seize to exist after joining the light, that our souls where food for the light source, etc.. and the goal was to avoid the light and stay an individual being on an astal stage.
that was all a long time ago. Looking back at it now, these thories where extreme and hold no ground for me anymore.

Now I'm a ferm believer of creating your reality and I tend to believe that this is also what we do in the first stage of the 'afterlife': creating it as we perceive it.

A few months after I left the group I had to undergo an operation. I remember that during the surgery I became aware, not waking up, but aware of myself. I knew that my body was undergoing surgery, I couldn't see it, I couldn't see anything but part of me knew that something was not right, I felt like, or new in a way that my body was dying.
All I sensed around me was a huge pool of "nothing", empty... and the worst feeling of lonelines and sadnes came over me. I asked myself "shouldn't I see a light at this point? shouldn't there be more here"?
I don't remember more of it.

Afterwards I wondered about this a lot to the point that, for a while, I became very afraid of death, afraid that there would indeed be nothing. BUT, if I was aware of myself, then there should be something because I was still there.
The only conclusion I could make is that I perceived what I expected at that time. In other words, I created my reality.

btw, I'm still not sure what happened during the surgery, when I asked the doc he said that there was only a 'minor' problem but nothing to wory about...

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. I love to hear from other people.

You may wanna re-post your vid tho!

peace

I believe that at that time one should trust what they feel from that situation. Your fiancee felt like he was being forced into it and did not like this so went against it. However, if at the time one feels warmth and love surrounding them, they should probably follow this. I also believe our minds have a little to do with this in creating part of it. I mean our minds are very powerful and help create our reality in our lifes on this world, so whose to say it can not help create what is to be after we die.

Zetetic_of_Truth

As a cave dweller I can tell you with certainty it's not safe to go in the light!

There are Sabre Tooth Tigers and Grizzly Bears out there and little gnomes who will try to trick you out of your gold!

Their is always some fairy too looking to steal your heart!

Light bad, cave good, build fire, hunt at night, fire give you light, fire cook food!

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Interesting! I proposed this same question, on Seeker's thread yesterday, here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess great minds think alike.

I am of the present opinion not to trust the light.
But I am open to reconsider.

I whooshed straight into the light during my NDE, and experienced heaven.
It was wonderful and god spoke to me.
But, annoyingly, his words were, "You've come too far. You have to go back."

So I did, was not given a choice, and it was like having to jump down from a rainbow into a sewer.

Anyway, I got the impression that going to the light was a free choice, and there was plenty to explore if that was what one wanted.
So my advice is to follow your heart. Go to the light, to the love, if that feels right. Go off and explore if that's your preference.

If you are off exploring, you will have to cope with your inner demons, which can manifest in that realm, all on your own. However that's not necessarily a bad thing. You can learn about yourself and grow stronger that way.