Gay penguins hatch rejected egg

OK. So the like-sexualness gene is a faith issue, not a scientific one.
That clears it up a lot.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Oh and by the way ...

They haven't found the pollen allergy gene in humans or penguins either ...

I guess that makes allergies a lifestyle choice.

touche' my friend thats a pretty fair observation

A study was done on 58 pairs of twins, consisting of 44 pairs of fraternal twins and 14 pairs of identical twins. In every set of twins, at least one of the two had a convincing history of a peanut allergy. The twins were observed for signs of allergic reaction, including hives, wheezing, repetitive coughing, vomiting and diarrhea, within sixty minutes of eating peanuts. The results were as such: 65 percent of the identical twins shared the allergy, while only seven percent of the fraternal twins shared it (3).

Something interesting found was that the allergic symptoms among individual sets of twins could vary. For example, one twin may have a skin rash, while the other twin may experience asthma in reaction to the peanuts. These variations may be attributed to early exposure, environmental factors, infections, medications, and so on (1).

Because of these results, Mt. Sinai School of Medicine claims that genetics accounts for 81.6 percent of the risk of peanut allergy (3). Similarly, a group of British researchers say that, considering genetic and environmental factors, the allergy is inherited 82 to 87 percent of the time. They also say that when ignoring the genetic factors, that percentage drops to 18.99 percent

seems to prove that just because we dont know the gene doesnt make it not genetic doesnt it

anyway ill still go with my previous statement and say its probably both genetic and lifestyle choice

[edit on 3-6-2009 by constantwonder]

reply to post by muzzleflash

ya being gay is easy, all i gotta do is get off to someone of the same sex you could switch back and forth all day if u wanted to even (bisexuals) its 100% choice

Then let us see you do this. Just to prove your point.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien


Then let us see you do this. Just to prove your point.

and what u want me to post a full length vid for everyone to see how the experiment goes?

so funny

reply to post by muzzleflash


So what advice do you have for all the guys who want to believe its a choice, but don't have the urge to go out and have sex with another guy right now? What's wrong with us, that we can't make this choice?

Read info on Penguins. During breeding season penguins pair up in monogamous relationships. To be called gay the male penguin would in fact pair up with a male from year to year.

There are also stories of male geese bonding for life and basically stealing eggs from other nests to hatch.

I've seen similar behavior in a hen. My dad had a backyard chicken flock as children. There was one hen that crowed, mounted other hens, fought roosters,occasionally laid an egg.

By far the strangest thing was a male dog we had named Tristan that would lactate and steal kittens from the whole neighborhood in the spring to rear.

Nature is interesting.

reply to post by muzzleflash

and what u want me to post a full length vid for everyone to see how the experiment goes? so funny

Sure it's funny.

If you managed to do it, that would make you BISEXUAL.

If you wanted to prove your point and you are straight and attempted to have a sexual relations with another man, I guarantee that you will be vomiting the whole time.

The whole argument about homosexuality being a choice is HILARIOUS.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

ya being gay is easy, all i gotta do is get off to someone of the same sex you could switch back and forth all day if u wanted to even (bisexuals) its 100% choice

Then let us see you do this. Just to prove your point.

there are "guys" who make a nice living doing this, you know

reply to post by reject

there are "guys" who make a nice living doing this, you know

Well sure there are. And that make them bisexuals.

You won't find straight porn actors doing this. Unless they are stoned out of their minds or drunk.

I have heard of gay animals before, I don't doubt it. I knew a gay dog once...

I've also heard of other animals with psychological disorders...

[edit on 3-6-2009 by mostlyspoons]

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by bsbray11

 

you cannot tell me i have no choice where i put my wee wee

You fail to grasp what is being discussed here. Where you put your wee-wee is not what the "choice" is about. If you look at females and are sexually attracted, you are heterosexual (presuming you're male).

If you look at males and are sexually attracted, then you are homosexual (unless you get aroused by both).

The point is, no one thinks, "I'll be sexually attracted to (fill in the blank)." Everyone discovers that they are attracted to one sex or the other or both. It is a DISCOVERY, not a choice.

Now whether one chooses to act on their attractions is another story altogether.

But if one group "must" curtail activity with the sex they DISCOVERED that they are attracted to, then the other group should equally be discouraged.

So rather than limit your sexual activity (in whatever manifestation it may take), let everyone with sexual attractions do their thing with the ones to whom they're attracted.

Otherwise, one is merely a bigot and a jerk.

is it just me or has this thread degraded into perverted tosh? anyways it was a good discussion before it turned into . . . .meh i aint even going there. . . way to turn a decent disussion into cybersex, finger pointing, and name calling. . . .

whats the word on that orgasm button sdog. . . . still waiting here

reply to post by constantwonder


Hmmm. Good point about using identical twins.

The Importance of Twin Studies

Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was a biological condition produced inescapably by the genes (e.g. eye color), then if one identical twin was homosexual, in 100% of the cases his brother would be too. But we know that only about 38% of the time is the identical twin brother homosexual. Genes are responsible for an indirect influence, but on average, they do not force people into homosexuality. This conclusion has been well known in the scientific community for a few decades (e.g. 6) but has not reached the general public. Indeed, the public increasingly believes the opposite.

reply to post by karl 12


Excellent find. F&S.

This is too cool. But having grown up on a farm, I know such things as this are really not that unusual.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by '___'eviant

 

Of course it's genetics and a few other alterations. Mutations can do all kinds of things. Some simply find it offensive to say that your born gay because that means it's a mutation and they feel like mutants.

Why do we need blanket statements. Some people it is genetics. Some people its choice because of things that happened in life.

People are more complex than to state its because of this for all of them. What a weird world this has become.

Or...


www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...

I've had a male cat for many years who acted gay, tried to bond with male cats and who even tried to nurse other pets on him like a female, even before he could walk. The day he died last year at age 17 he was actually helping a young female we rescued to raise her kittens. I've had several other male pets who were excellent "mothers" to other animals as well.

Not all gays are daddy candidates or want kids just like some straight men, but I personally would rather see a good, gentle gay man who truly wants children to be allowed to raise one than a hell of a lot of straights I can name. This whole concept of kids turning out disturbed who were raised by gays seems to be an American issue, you just don't see this in other parts of the world including the Latin countries which are really macho cultures.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


Gay Twins
This study found a 52% chance of a gay twin.

This does not take into account other things. I have identical twin cousins. They have opposite personalities. One writes with his left hand, the other with his right. One is very artistic and liberal. The other is very conservative and business like. Chad was born with a heart defect. Brad was not. Brad has diabetes while Chad does not. They were raised exactly the same so, they should be identical in all regards to aspirations, health and similar personalities.

But, they are not alike at all other than looks which has also changed because they have such different styles that they somewhat no longer look like each other.

I can tell you exactly where being gay came in my family. This from my mother's side of the family on her mother's side. I can say this because of all the gay/bisexual men that have fallen out of the tree along those lines. I know some of the religious will think of large family tryst but, nothing like that happened and I did not know them until I was at least 25. In fact most of them do not know each other. If I could draw out a family tree for you it would be funny because the majority of men are bisexual or gay along that line.

It works along with this study.
Gay "gene" could make women more fertile

How my family survived passing down gay kids.
My grandmother had 10 children-3 were gay men, one was bisexual, one straight. Her daughters (except my mother for medical reasons) produced a lot of children as well. The straight uncle has 4 children. The bisexual uncle had 3 children. The girls had anywhere from 7-10 also producing some gay males.

Go up the family tree.
My great grandmother caught my great grandfather "entertaining" men. They stopped having sex but, continued to live together and raise their 12 children as close friends.

My own mother had 2 gay sons and one bisexual. Brought up in the gay is evil religious phenomena. Religious schools, churches.

Those genetics still exist because the females in particular are highly fertile women. My great grandfather's mother had 16 children, some of them also are gay/bisexual.

Gay people in my family since 1910...I would assume more before that but, the records become shady before that with only names of some unmarried men.

So I hear that 3rd cousin's son just came out (15). Whoa am I surprised!

Not all families can trace like that but, all in all I know of 26 gay/bisexual men on my mother's side. Most of them do not know each other.

reply to post by constantwonder


You are right, it is in the gutter. In the meantime, we are all waiting patiently for Muzzleflash to show us the money.....

reply to post by Acidtastic


haha

and so did your post!! lol

classic ^^)