a look at the other side: My Near Death Experience...

Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by the seeker_713g

 

Thanks friend,

If a sole seeks a full experience it would want both the male and female experiences. It has been said that we are cross dressers in the sole department. I tend to agree that sex is not important to soles.

Plum, I did have a nudge last nite during a dream, and it has awakened part of another memory, that we are split into 4 pieces, 2 each male, and female; that after we reach a certain level on the upward journey we rejoin with our higher selves and become one complete soul again; so we must already have a male/female deal going on; I do not have any memories surfacing of being female, although the may be buried among the myriad number that flood my memories; at times i can single them out and examine them, at other times not.

namaste

seeker

reply to post by Unity_99
Friend, it is my take that the Creator is all things, and whether to use male or female forms of addresses is subjective and a matter of personal choice and preference; after all, we all, male,female, higher dimensional beings, angels, what ever you choose to address them as, all are a part of the Creator.

Thanks for sharing with us.

namaste,

seeker

reply to post by the seeker_713g

, that we are split into 4 pieces, 2 each male, and female; that after we reach a certain level on the upward journey we rejoin with our higher selves and become one complete soul again; so we must already have a male/female deal going on;

Thanks friend,

I have reason to believe that at this Earth level, when our soles are here we choose male or female. That may not be true for all but many.

When we are here we identify with a personality type, a roll type and live that out, experience it.

Seeker, did you have memories of other planets as well or was it all here on Earth?

Tks, Plum

reply to post by plumranch

yes friend, i do, and i shared a little about some of them earlier in the thread; one that really stood out was upon a harsh, volcanic world, and the memory bit i have is of myself as being reptillian, with wings, and the closest image i can relate to here is that of a dragon; but i only have bits and oieces of these memries, still there were far too many shown to me to all have been here on earth unless our history does cover several million years.

seeker

This would probably be an area that would incorporate much protocol as well, right? Also, the memories may not even be in millions, for billions makes more sense, and this is one universe. Would not everyone be original souls and some need to wake up to be free?

Originally posted by the seeker_713g
reply to post by Sikmike620

 

Sad to say, the animal kingdom is structured differently than our soul matrix; our beloved animals are each a part of a collective soul; I don't remember any animals being present, but as they are a part of the Creator's work I am sure they have their own special place.

seeker

Hi seeker, I too am enjoying your account which mirrors things I've seen, studied and also conversations in EVP/ITC recordings. As regards the animals, my understanding is this: Wild animals/food animals, bugs, etc.do indeed revert to their group soul, however, beloved pets who have been cared for and cherished by us retain their own, unique souls because they become individualized. I agree that they have a separate place to reside but they can be visited. There are plenty of stories and pics online that also suggest this is so.

This is an image of a cat on the other side that I captured on an ITC cam:

reply to post by GROUP6


OMG..regarding the changes you're speaking of..(I'm only on pg 7 reading this thread, in case you've answered this) SOME of us have made that move already haven't we?

I won't bore you with my tale (it would fill a good-sized book) but I can see orbs and spirit beings live (not just in photos). Been this way for 8 years.
Some of us are "half way over" already aren't we? Sheeesh, I get it now.

fourth-dimensionalized !!

[edit on 20-10-2009 by GROUP6]

There is a lot more to the animal kingdom than this really, though perhaps not seen in the Hall of Light, or what we would call this place of the review. My grandmother passed over recently, and those are the words that came to me.

But from I understand all of us are a group mind, though this is called the Universal Understanding, and we are united, yet individual. I had that experience when the extra energies hit in August, and so many memories came, including how many of us came here waves through decades, and I knew so many people. Without even remembering that I was in the Matrix, I just reached instinctively into the Universal Understanding, knowing I could just connect, as I was feeling so isolated and it was so wrong. Out of all my experiences, nothing really topped that, and its what is missed so much.

But animals are actually higher and finer vibrations than we are, in many cases. We are sadly lacking compared to them, and are far more lacking in what we are doing to each other, and allowing done to our planet. In addition, many of them are our watchers, high dimensional ETs, that are here, and should we work at waking up as my thread is about, and if we meditate on nature, and seek to communicate with animals, we may find some wonderful teachers.

The wonder of my life has been the constant attention of the moment " now" as it pulsates in time. My first nde was at five years old, hit by a car and hit by the light. Im now 46 and might at times seem "touched" but my experience has guided me along revealing small fragments of this nde . Clues to the eternal are all around us and often "peek" at us as if to tease our perceptions. But that aside what has been revealed to me is the enormously unfathomable love that is God. However you approach it ,whatever you personally think is but the smallest aspect of your greater you. You are God. But you are an aspect and you are working details out. Ok ? So here we are " now" and it is always the eternal now, but with a volume control so that reality can flow ! So here I am again ! sincerity seems to be the mindset for amplifying the connection ,that and resonance boosted by loving emotions . It takes a little work but the ethereal perceptions are priceless and the soul exposure warming and clear. So much timeless perceptions that need to be shelved before slipping back down the silver "cord " and into the physical. I have never tried this "'___'" drug but the descriptions metalic sound communication energies are real. But what does this have to do with the nde? Doors are opened and paths are laid out ! The next step forward is the first thought sincerely "seen". I hope this glimpse opens your next door or scares you back to safety !

reply to post by GROUP6

Wild animals/food animals, bugs, etc.do indeed revert to their group soul, however, beloved pets who have been cared for and cherished by us retain their own, unique souls because they become individualized. I agree that they have a separate place to reside but they can be visited. There are plenty of stories and pics online that also suggest this is so.

I agree!

Maybe their association with humans bring them up a step or two in the sole heirachy don't know but there are many pets that deserve heavenly stattus!

It has been said by other savants that pets are more or less very complicated machines. I just don't buy that from my personal (very long and involved with companion animal) experience. They are very involved in the evolution of our soles IMHO!

reply to post by plumranch


In reality its our asscociation with them and nature that brings us up a step or two. As we mediate and seek ascension, and go into nature, practicing using our insight and developing telepathy by seeking to communicate with nature and mother earth, who is a living entity, we will discover it us our vibrations that are raised by theirs. Humans are the lower vibration, not nature.

Originally posted by Unity_99
This would probably be an area that would incorporate much protocol as well, right? Also, the memories may not even be in millions, for billions makes more sense, and this is one universe. Would not everyone be original souls and some need to wake up to be free?

Yes unity, we are all original souls, all made manifest at the same instant from the Creator's loving intent; yet out of the countless number of souls that exist not all choose to go thru the learning experience, yet we all participate in the great work.

Our sojourn here is but a brief whistle stop on our eternal, timeless journey towards home and re-joining with the Creator.

namaste

seeker

Originally posted by Unity_99

But animals are actually higher and finer vibrations than we are, in many cases. We are sadly lacking compared to them, and are far more lacking in what we are doing to each other, and allowing done to our planet. In addition, many of them are our watchers, high dimensional ETs, that are here, and should we work at waking up as my thread is about, and if we meditate on nature, and seek to communicate with animals, we may find some wonderful teachers.

I could not agree more. I have had many spiritual teachers but the best was my last cat. In his illness he taught me so much about myself. I also work with animals and find that once I truly opened up to them they were so amazing, they more or less can communicate as well as a human if we listen and feel. I would love to visit your thread, I will go look for it.

Your experiences are very real, and very accurate from what I understand about death, the dying process, and going to visit with the elders for your life review. I will send you a U2U tomorrow to discuss something with you. S+F!

Grape pie exists and is delicious! I sometimes get it from Naples, NY. I'd like a piece right now...

There has been some suggestion that whether or not we come back down here is sometimes a decision taken out of our hands, ie that there is some sort of system in place that basically leaves us little choice BUT to come back here. That there are entities "above" us deciding certain things on our behalf as they "know better" or "know what's best" when we might not. So to the OP, do you get a sense of this being the case ? That our "free will" is not always as free as we think it is or should be ? That we have a certain DEGREE of free will but at other times things are decided for us. For example, a soul might protest to high heaven (excuse the pun) he does not want to come back to Earth but he has "no choice" because of this or that lesson to learn, or unfinished business, or perhaps in the case of suicides "you MUST return to complete the cycle you prematurely exited, this is the rule"............?

@ The Seeker

You make some truly fantastical claims about what you have witnessed, what you have been taught, what you have foreseen, and the true natures of human existence. As well, some other posters on this thread have also added some of their own personal experiences and theories to the conversation. I'm very curious to hear and learn more about your travels, the Elders, and what other information you have been privy to.

I myself have experimented with Out-of-Body-Experiences, and done neurological and spiritual studies of such experiences. I've tried correlating the Astral plane, Lucid dreaming, O.B.E's and my own spirituality. However, in most of these instances I have failed.

Individually I have experienced lucid dreaming, and have even been able to teach co-workers how to lucid dream.

On my own I have self-induced astral travel, not very far, usually not beyond my house, but I have induced it in the presence of people too. I have tried to teach co-workers my method for this, but usually they are too scared during certain steps.

Almost nightly I remember at least one of the typical 2-4 dreams every human has while in REM sleep. I've not had to teach people how to dream at night, everyone does this, at least 2 times a night.

And I think that I have experienced the Astral Plane on a very limited amount of occasions. Usually during eclipses, or other astronomical and astrological events.

I would be curious to learn if you know a method for aligning all of these experiences, and if it might be possible for me to learn it, if it exists. At the same time I am curious as to your thoughts on Hypnogogia, the Hypnic Jerk, Sleep Paralysis and other neurological / sleep disorders which have side-effects strikingly similar to a majority of O.B.E and other Astral travel phenomenon. There was even a study conducted where a patient's brainwaves were altered by lights, and another by sounds, where a Near-Death-Experience, and an Out-of-Bod-Experience were the end results.

I'm going to try and find the case studies and link them here for you. I am just curious of your opinions on these topics. Any response would be much appreciated.

After reading almost all of Dolores Cannon's books and having a very long conversion with her over the phone on one of her radio shows, I can attest that was The Seeker states is true as well as what other agree upon here on this thread topic.

I have never had an out of body or NDE but I've been studying it for years now, since "understanding there is more than my Catholic upbringing".

I've also studied what ETs have taught "contactees" about what life is really about and they all agree on what The Seeker is talking about.

When you commit suicide, you break a contract that was agreed upon beforehand, and you have to spend some time learning between your death and your next life in addition to what is taught on this thread.

reply to post by cosmicpixie
Old friend, from what I can remember, there are several factors at play that control our situation when we go home; It is only of late that I realise that during my Nde that I was not connected directly to my higher self or oversoul, whicheve term you prefer, and that the higher self does have input as to whether or not the goal has been attained;

we are all volunteers, here by choice to follow a set of life events, albeit a very loose set, that we chose and agreed upon before this incarnational cycle; also consider that the collective soul parts that do make each one of us complete all originated from the Creator on that level and lowered ourselves voluntarily to participate on these lower levels.

The matter of choice may appear to be taken out of our hands at times, but it actually isn't, for our guides are simply following the life plan that we chose as we participate in the Great work..

love and light to all

seeker

reply to post by Wandering Scribe
Friend, I would recommend reading a copy of the original manuscript of " Silva Mind Control" by the late Jose Silva; he teaches a very simple method for putting you into an alpha state at any time you choose and allows you to program your sub-conscious; but understand that your sub-conscious takes things in a literal manner, not subjective; but it is very easy to program it to remember your dreams, or instruct it to only dream lucidly; it can also be used for simple things, such as allowing you to awake exactly when you wish, totally refreshed after only a short period of sleep.

You might find more food for thought in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

for it covers some of this material.

Thanks for your post and interest.

seeker