China anger with North Korea echoes in the press

China anger with North Korea echoes in the press

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By Chris Buckley

BEIJING (Reuters) - The top item on the Chinese website of Beijing's embassy in Pyongyang is a condemnation of North Korea's nuclear test.

That, and a recent blast of blunt criticism of North Korea in China's state-run press, suggest the rancor that officials feel toward their communist neighbor -- anger likely to bring Beijing behind a U.N. resolution condemning the May 25 test and threatening fresh sanctions.

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Well now this is finally some good news. China is just about had it with N Korea. I say good for them. Now maybe a peaceful solution can be worked out so the region can get back to business.

I like this bit here.

On Monday, a commentary in the same paper called North Korea a "strategic burden" for China. Not the kind of language the government would have allowed earlier this year, when the focus was on celebrating 60 years of ties with the Communist North.

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Yeah well China is Kimmy's last hope. It will either push NK to give up it behaviour, or prompt them to do something even more bizarre.

I suspect the two female journalists will be found guilty of espionage and executed as an act of hostile defiance to the world.

I don't think china would be that dumb to corner the DPRK. If that's china's intention, it's a very very dumb move, and china will pay for it dearly. The DPRK has the 5th largest standing army in the world!

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I don't think china would be that dumb to corner the DPRK. If that's china's intention, it's a very very dumb move, and china will pay for it dearly. The DPRK has the 5th largest standing army in the world!

I am trembling with fear Jazzguy... No actually I just fell off my chair laughing.

Saddam Hussein had the biggest standing army in the Gulf in 1990. They were so intimidating that they surrendered in droves to Remotely Piloted spy planes.

The size of a dictator's army is inversely proportional to their insecurity. He's a silly frightened little man trying very hard to frighten the world in the hopes everyone will run away.

That's the mark of Kimmy's psychosis that he believes it will work.

They have the fifth largest army in the world, which puts them only 4 spaces behind China. Not to mention, their antique artillery is all sitting on the wrong border, pointed in the other direction, and it's probably all rusted in place. I'd love to see North Korea try to take on China. It would be like a field mouse biting a water buffalo.

Well I thought it was worth posting. They were considered such close allies.

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Actually it wouldn't be the first time China has attacked a "Former" Allie. Remember the battle of Cao Bang?

Here is some Rare footage of the Chinese attack on the highlands of North Vietnam. Includes scenes of female Vietnamese soldiers captured by the Chinese.

This war started as a result of Vietnam's attack on Cambodia over a border dispute. At the same time, Vietnam chose to fall on the side of the USSR/Russia. This miscalculation led to the Chinese attacking Vietnam to "teach the Viets a lesson"

The highlands of North Vietnam was captured, but at a very high cost in casualties to the Chinese. They then withdrew after having made their point.
But it was the Chinese who learnt a lesson in that they had to modernise their army.

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It is worth posting, because this represents the beginning of a significant turn around in the North Korean crisis. In the past, China has always been North Korea's buffer from meaningful international reaction to their warmongering. Kimmy's buffer appears to be thinner than ever now.

I was responding to the poster who seems to think China would have a problem taking on North Korea. I think China would mow over them as easily as the coalition defeated Iraq in the first Gulf War.

So now that Kim's son is in power - things are changing.

Slayer - you saw this coming.

What's next?

???

In your opinion that is...

?

There was actually a massive military exercise conducted back in 2005. It was a joint China-Russia exercise and although the official line said otherwise, most analysts agreed it was training for a post-regime destablization scenario or even a post-war North Korea situation.

In short, it appears both China and Russia have plans to occupy North Korea should the regime/country fail.

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Incorrect. Kim's son is not in power, he was merely named successor. Kim Jong-Il has to pass on before the son becomes the ruler.

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Well

First off.

If reunification is to occur N Korea will have to do some serious changes. S Korea doesn't want unification to happen too quickly it would crush their economy.

That would be worse than what Germany went through with East Germany.

Second.

When and if reunification happens there would no longer be an excuse for the US and others to maintain forces in Korea. So in the end China standing against unification of the Koreas doesn't actually make since.




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I must have read the news here wrong - and heard it wrong... (Which can happen)...

My impression from what I read was Kim had stepped down - relinquished power, etc.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I think China's condemnation of this is definitely a good thing...especially for where we are concerned...and really the world. For one...we can't afford any more wars...we are far beyond bankrupt.

China is the world power now...the US no longer holds that title. We are a bankrupt nation...who produces the largest amount of food in the world...our existence is vital to the rest of the world...if they want to eat....as millions would die if suddenly our crops were worth nothing. Everything would have to be controlled to sustain the world's hunger for food.

China now holds all the chips....including ours.

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Actually, you are right there were speculations that the exercise was simulating a Korean peninsula crisis but it is because it was located in Shandong province which is off coast NK in the Yellow Sea.
Primarily, the exercise was to be held in Zhejiang province which is off coast Taiwan. Russians turned down the chinese first proposal and the exercise was eventually conducted in Shandong.

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Its scary to think about because while China nor Russia would help North Korea in a war situation, the U.S. and Japan could enter a heated confrontation with the PRC and RF after a war.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
This war started as a result of Vietnam's attack on Cambodia over a border dispute. At the same time, Vietnam chose to fall on the side of the USSR/Russia. This miscalculation led to the Chinese attacking Vietnam to "teach the Viets a lesson"

The highlands of North Vietnam was captured, but at a very high cost in casualties to the Chinese. They then withdrew after having made their point.
But it was the Chinese who learnt a lesson in that they had to modernise their army.

Wow, you know the sino-vietnamese war too, Slayer. Few people do.
Yes, I know that war too, and if the chinese try to pull the same stunt with North Korea, it'll be very messy for the chinese, since I think the regime will go all the way.

What about your own assessment, Slayer? If china attacks north korea, how bad will it be for the chinese? Or do you think the chinese will suffer minimal casualties?

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
I don't think china would be that dumb to corner the DPRK. If that's china's intention, it's a very very dumb move, and china will pay for it dearly. The DPRK has the 5th largest standing army in the world!

But what use is that standing army unless there are planes, tanks and artillery units for all of them?
In an aerial assault on the nation those troops would be useless.

I can't really see much of a ground assault taking place against NK, and even if there was, the NK army would have to divide their efforts into three locations; The border with China, the border with SK, and the defence of the nation interior.

Their standing army is also made up of disaffected youth, forced conscription and servitude is the name of the game.
I read a report last night written in 2001 where the youth of one school region were ordered to sign a "voluntary" conscription to serve the military, all refused and as punishment were forced to work on community farming (banishment). They preferred this as it gave them the opportunity for more freedom and to earn some money.

While their army may be large, it is largely made up of people who don't want any part of it. They would surrender in a heartbeat if it meant a better life.

With China now on side, NK has to make a very careful decision. Notice how they've gone quiet all of a sudden? Likely because of China and their protestations.
They could lose their only neighbouring ally through their irresponsible actions, and that would further cripple them.

If NK makes any argument toward China, expect this to become out of control quickly. If they are willing to anger China, they really have completely lost their marbles.

On the post that his son was chosen as successor, was explained to be done to stop any dispute after he died. If he did not name a successor to being leader, and he died then there would be kaos as to who runs the country. Same thing we saw in cuba. So I am assuming that his health is worse than has been reported. Maybe all this posturing is his last hurrah.
I have thought always that to china, NK is like that annoying little brother. You let him do what he wants and stand by him, but when he starts to embarrass you, you pull back the reins.

I am sure all this is being done again for food and supplies for his people. As he is spending a lot of their budget for military and rockets.
And I am sure that China will be stepping in if anything gets out of hand. And am wondering when china will decide to just take over NK, and have the ports that they will need with their expansion in oil.