Scientology: The Monster behind the cult

Not many religions that a person would register onto ATS to defend them I for one put Scientology in the same box as voodoo, a dangerous suggestive cult that tries to put up a butter wouldent melt front but really the deeper you dig the more desturbing it becomes. Heres a rule of thumb when a religion take hundreds of thousand of pounds to go up their useless level`s, that is the point when a sane person would really start to question the motivations behind the "church".
I did a lot of digging into L.Ron Hubbard and find his commandments in scientology that you should not use drugs when he spent most of the 50`s and 60`s on a boat getting off his head on anything he could get his hands on. So lets conclude

1. Dont follow a cult started by a science fiction megalomaniac with several faild cults under his belt.
2. Dont sign over your home, income, family to cults
3.Dont spend all of your money trying to obtain higher levels of theetan forces or whatever through auditing through a machine that looks like an old atari.

This cult stinks to high heaven peace out

The most evil and barbaric religion/institution of the 20th Century???

Um...I think Christianity still holds that record.

In the end, religions are nothing more than cults for those who need to grip to an organization to explain their realities.

We are not debating Christianity we are debating scientology, you cannot compare the two as one is a 2000 year old fabrication of a lie and the other is a 40 year old outright lie made up by a proven con man/nutcase

Just wanted to share this link from cracked about some of the other great lies hubbard told

www.cracked.com...

reply to post by Karlhungis


I don't consider Christianity any more of a religion than I consider Scientology. I believe that its all a sickness for the mentally deranged. Everyone wants to claim that their religion is superior over another and viciously attack anything that they don't understand so that they can maintain some monopoly over the soul.

Here's some news for those who love to convert others. According to the bible, pending on which one that you read, only 144,000 Jews...or 144,000 Christians get to go to heaven. The more people that you convert out of the 6.5 billion people on the planet, the less chance that there's going to be a seat open for yourselves. Remember...monopolize.

As it were, Scientology is as good as any other fanatical religion that exists on this funny little planet. Sometimes I look around and think, "How the hell did I get here. Did I miss a turn somewhere, because, this place is more like a prison for the criminally insane." And maybe, just maybe...that's exactly what it is.

According to Christianity, God kicked Lucifer and all of his fallen angels to the curb, placing them here, confined to the planet earth. As far as I can see, we're the only one's here, and as it is, we are pretty much confined to this place while in the physical body. Has anyone ever entertained the idea that WE ARE THE FALLEN???

Lets look at the facts...Humanity consistently rapes, murders, steals, covets, commits genocide, and will do virtually anything for the piece of paper that we call money. Hmmm...I don't think a demon could match the evil that resides in the human mind, nor can a demon match what we do to each other in the realm that we call the physical.

So, while you guys argue over who has the bigger God and the better religion, I'll be sitting here laughing at the third grade scramble for superiority.

Thanks...I'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your bartenders or waitresses.

Yep, more of the "I know you are but what am I argument."

Does putting more words around it make it seem less childish?

I used to think the church of scientology was hilarious at best, until I saw photos of Lisa Mcpherson. This filled me with a rage I can't even describe for this cult, and it would not break my heart to see the whole thing burn to the ground.

A curse upon this church of death!! Let not one of it's members feel joy, darkness they have sown, hunger and pain they will reap! This is not a threat, it is universal law.

Attempted comparisons to christianity are part of Scientology standard MO.. they are contrived..

Scientologists state that "Scientology Works"

here is summary I found that explains what appears to "Work" in scientology:

Tips for Dealing With Scientologists

When dealing with a scientologist do not allow them to argue using LOGICAL FALLACIES Hubbard used fallacious argument, he took a few items and called them "The Data Series", using the typical technique of all good con-men, of OMITTING key information... He used Fallacious argument and covert hypnosis.. (ever wonder why Hubbard repeated the same ideas over and over and over in Dianetics?) Always check their claimed "facts" and point out to them every ad-hominen, straw man argument etc... and if you succeed in giving them a grasp of Logical Fallacy.. they will eventually realize that they have accepted a boatload of fallacious information.

Fallacious Argument WORKS
Hypnotism WORKS
Repetition WORKS
Electricity WORKS
Propaganda WORKS
Lawyers WORK
Private Investigators WORK
Blackmail WORKS
Gag agreements WORK
Information Control WORKS

and most importantly

Fear WORKS!

Remember "counting heads of adherents is NOT evidence"
(see review of Dianetics in Cal Tech Magazine) it is fallacious argument!

Any one know if the South Park explanation of Scientology
is accurate.

The illustration was quite good to go along with the words.

As far as SiFi, goes if that is their specialty, there is a strong bond
with Nazis and their Big Lie cover of Tesla technology and the
UFO with Alien hogwash stories.

They might be working straight with the Illuminati power structure.

Oh my god. This is the same, out of context, stuff that pops up every now and then. Quick, grab CNN.

L Ron Hubbard was hardly a monster.

You source Xenu.net. Wow, now there's a place where you can find some truth.

I'm sorry, but if you think he was a monster, then your definition of "monster" is incorrect. I guess Mother Teresa was a monster too? That evil do-gooding Bit$%! Let us not forget that evil, peace loving Ghandi!

I worked in the church for several years, I wasn't in any more danger than anywhere else. Except when they used to beat me to sleep with sticks. Or, maybe when they used to take me to the dungeon, and beat me with whips.

I pee pee my pants from laughing so hard.

I'm sorry, but I get a little upset when I see a pile of stars and flags for a truth twisting post like this. I came to ATS for truth. Not this.

Troy

For any one casting any dought of the CO$,I beg of you please take a few minutes and read the storys of Lisa Mcpherson...Any organisation that can try to play down this is a hidious example of a religion..
www.lermanet2.com...

The worst part about is that victoms like Lisa,put their faith into people,paid buku money just to be churned out as meat at the end..

These people feed off of peoples weaknesses to enrich themselfs..Their blinded by the little bit of self revelation by being in a group of like minded people..They see breakthroughs of themselves,after the mumbo jumbo tests cause they got stuff off their chest..But meanwhile they use the confessions via a magic box ''a lie detector'' as blackmail..

standing from afar CO$ and any other religions looks the same to some..Just as two guns look the same from afar,but only when you have both in your hands,you can only relize wich one is loaded..

Read for yourselves the truth..
www.lisamcpherson.org...

NARCONON.Rehab or front?
www.cs.cmu.edu...

The Harrison Hotel..A bit of insight
glosslip.com...

Read the Time Magazine artice on Scientology.. 'Scientology the Cult of Greed'

Of course Scientology sued Time Magazine BUT then LOST in court (after years and years) and then had to pay Time Magazines defense lawyers fees of 8 MILLION dollars! LOL!

I live in Clearwater Florida which is their HQ.. I see their blue shirt mind scrambled robots walking around looking lost everyday.. They treat the workers like pieces of crap.. There paid with 'classes' and live in dorm rooms where there's 4-5 per room.. Your sole purspose is to cater to the rich Scientologists who pay HUGE Bucks to get "CLEAR"..On average it takes something like 300,000 or 400,000 dollars to reach this level.. Then your taught the "secret info" about Zeno and his evil empire who ruled this planet.. It's soooo sad their is people this vulnerable in the world..

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Any one know if the South Park explanation of Scientology
is accurate.

The illustration was quite good to go along with the words.

Yes it was accurate

LINK to PROOF it was the real deal

LINK to source

" Scientologists believe that most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters" to individuals in the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives of their hosts ". USDJ Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion, RTC vs Lerma

Originally posted by Molan27
Read the Time Magazine artice on Scientology.. 'Scientology the Cult of Greed'

Of course Scientology sued Time Magazine BUT then LOST in court (after years and years) and then had to pay Time Magazines defense lawyers fees of 8 MILLION dollars! LOL!

Yes $cientology lost that case but no they did not have to pay legal fees, it is the UK that requires the loser of a libel suit to pay the opposing side's legal fees, in USA each party pays their own...in LIBEL cases..

In one of the appellate opinions in that case it is noted in a footnote that the judge is of the opinion that $cientology is a cult.






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reply to post by seataka


Thanks seataka.
So some web pages are true and helpful.

With some of the things people believe, if some forums are a gauge,
they would take whole hardly to that basic tenant.

They might even openly state their secret if its not a secret any
more and find their ranks swelling.

Of course the old devil or angel spirit clusters might hold up
just as well.

reply to post by Molan27


But what do you think is the kind of truth these people should follow.
If they have enough money and health they must need something
else in their lives.

ETs are a truth now days.

ED: Yeah, not to good for the workers getting people "CLEAR".
Is this "CLEAR" the meter test the Stan Marsh took in South Park.

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From what I've discovered from my own personal research on L. Ron Hubbard is his only ambition was to get even with MKULTRA after he managed to develop a system to disarm negative programming. In the process he found a way to not pay taxes ... and the worlds best media to expose it HOLLYWOOD.

Personally I wish others could understand what he endured by the shadow government when trying to help Jack Parson's.

Interesting that stealing his girl and his boats is considered 'helpful' to Jack Parsons.

reply to post by cybertroy


So you just dismiss the allegations of his children and their mothers.....because it doesn't FIT the story you've been sold. Literally sold.

It brings a whole new level to the idea that one must "buy in" to something.

The fact that words have been reinterpreted to mean something they do not mean so that you can promote things in a way that is intended to be attractive to people while lying to them isn't a clue that something is wrong?

The definition of ethics for example. I had to go look that one up because in the context it was being used, and from the behaviour of the people using it, they sure didn't seem to being using the word in the dictionary defintion sort of way. And they aren't. The definition of ethics has been changed so that one can SEEM to be saying something that is attractive to people, while instead talking about an idea that is actually incredibly selfish and unethical when one uses the DICTIONARY - what most people mean when using it.

If you replace the central figures and ideas presented, change their names and locations, the stories and ideologies are essentially exactly as those in Satanism. I'm not making that up out of whole cloth - I know several Satanists. The difference isn't even the plot - it is just a rendition of the same plot with different names and locations put in.

Most of the people that are replying to this thread are just ripping on the rediculous premise of $cienctology. I do not disagree with this at all - Knowledge is power. If you are considering joining the Co$, plz do some research; it will save you money and your family.

"What is true is true for you."

That is the biggest line of BS I've ever heard.

If you neglect your house payments and the bank is forclosing your property (because you gave your money to Co$) - they will truly reposess your home, no matter what you believe.

Sadly, that kind of wake-up call doesn't always work on the indoctrinated.

It is good that so many of you are vocal about how wrong and how misguided this "religion" is.....

But let's not be so hateful to the people that have become it's victims. There are many people still under the sway of Elron that need HELP to escape.

It does not only hurt the members, but also their families - mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, etc.

If you truly care about this subject, then do something to raise awareness. No matter how small. ESPECIALLY in college towns - this is their breeding ground.

Keep in mind that there are VICTIMS of Co$ and that they regular, smart, everyday citizens like all of us.

Just something to add to show how dodgy scientology is, apparently in france the church is being shut down because of fraud charges lol

www.cnn.com...

The Church of Scientology went on trial this week in France, accused of fraud in a case that sheds light on the group.

The Church of Scientology's bookshop in Paris is part of the case being heard in France.

If found guilty, the church could be forced to shut down in France, though appeals could see the case continue for years.

"This is a process in heresy," Daniele Gounord, the spokeswoman for Scientology in France, told reporters.

The two plaintiffs, both women, say they were defrauded by the organization, which is classified as a sect in France.

Their complaints focus on the use of a device that Scientologists say measures spiritual well-being. Members use the electropsychometer, or E-Meter, to "locate areas of spiritual duress or travail so they can be addressed and handled," according to Scientology's Web site.

The women say that, after using the device, they were encouraged to pay for vitamins and books. They say that amounted to fraud.

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