taking your arms, one arm at a time!

Originally posted by dooper

Are felons able bodied? Then they are part of the militia.
Can felons own weapons? No.
Felons are not considered part of the "people"

Do you hear it? Do you hear the hot air escaping from your theory?
Do you hear the ooze bubbling from inside the second amendment?
Felons are not considered to be able bodied or part of the "people"

Yet, somehow... by a miracle their second amendment natural rights have been infringed!

It's like turning air into gold!

All they have to do is make it a felony to own a certain amount of ammo.

Why won't you see that the second amendment protects nothing and can be encroached upon at will, just like any other aspect of the constitution with nothing more than legal definitions implanted in the US code?

They had free, adult, white, property owning males. Now of course, it is inclusive of blacks and women, and the property-owning criteria has been dropped.

Code 10 mentions that only women who are part of the organized militia are part of any militia at all. As such, they are not guaranteed the right to own a weapon under the second amendment - only under the states which do not have a "male" clause in their militia OR if they are already a member of the national guard. You'll see an example of this later in the post.


Well regulated is to mean working as expected.


That is 100% circular reasoning and it doesn't even.

Original proposed:

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.[44]

It's about rendering military service. It's about the right of the people to bear arms FOR THE PURPOSE OF MILITIA.

In this light, people who own a weapon should be the first called forward in a draft.

Thus, the National Guard is a part of the militia, as well as the citizens.

Read the constitution, and then read the state constitutions to get an idea of what a militia is.

Colorado:

Section 1. Persons subject to service. The militia of the state shall consist of all able­bodied male residents of the state between the ages of eighteen and forty­five years; except, such persons as may be exempted by the laws of the United States, or of the state.

NO women in the Colorado Militia... how about the Federal militia?

Code 10, again:

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

There you have it: men over 45 (except under 64 and a veteran [title 32]) are not considered to be:

A) part of the state militia of Colorado
B) part of the Federal militia of the US.

Further,

Women of any age, who are not part of the national guard are not part of the Federal Miltia, and NO WOMEN are part of the Colorado State militia unless

As I've said before, and as Sotomayer ruled "States DO NOT have to obey the second amendment."

I won't even cover how most states require their state militias to be ORGANIZED.

Which means... TO BE PART OF THE NATIONAL GUARD.

Okay, maybe I will. Here is another present from Colorado:

Section 2. Organization ­ equipment ­ discipline. The organization, equipment and discipline of the militia shall conform as nearly as practicable, to the regulations for the government of the armies of the United States.

if the US was invaded by a foreign force and somehow the US military was loosing the battle, do you think it would be best for the unregulated citizens to take up arms against the foreign invaders, or should we bake them some cookies and hope they like hugs? You can be a Pansie and deal with things in your own way. The rest of the people who have pride in the USA will stand up. That one fact is why you will not see a foreign country try to invade the US. We have guns. We will use them if provoked. We will band together and protect our homes to the death. We would even protect little wimps who cling to the thought of a universal love generation in pink tights. So you can have your little rants about what you would do if you had any real power, and we will continue to operate as we have. No changes. Enjoy your latte.

I also feel it is necessary to explain how to read a sentence.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "

Let's start with the first sentence, "A well regulated militia (COMMA), being necessary to the security of a free state(COMMA), the right of people to keep and bear arms (COMMA), shall not be infringed.

You see, the (COMMA) separates different parts of the sentence. If the commas were not important, they would not be there.

If I said "I don't like Bob because, he is lazy, stinky, slow, and weak." each one of those things could be said separately, but in the ease of reading and not sounding repetitive, it is all put into one sentence.



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Originally posted by NWOhereNOW

Do you hear it? Do you hear the hot air escaping from your theory?

Why won't you see that the second amendment protects nothing and can be encroached upon at will, just like any other aspect of the constitution with nothing more than legal definitions implanted in the US code

Originally posted by NWOhereNOW
It's about rendering military service. It's about the right of the people to bear arms FOR THE PURPOSE OF MILITIA.

You may find it beneficial when initiating a discussion to actually research in a thorough manner the "topic" and try not to resort to excessively emotional outbursts.

I shall now offer words that I have posted elsewhere within the confines of A.T.S. because I think they would be germane to this particular thread...

In my opinion, a unique beauty intrinsic to our country's system of governance is that the content of the Constitution lends itself to a certain degree of interpretation by members of the Supreme Court as well as Constitutional scholars, especially in the case of the Second Amendment. St. George Tucker published an edition of Blackstone's Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. Blackstone is still considered to be a solid legal resource for the interpretation of Constitutional Law. Tucker stated within this work "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty . . . . The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms, is under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

When the Supreme Court's Second Amendment rulings are studied over the course of this nation’s history, there is an undeniable pattern establishing a clear view of this amendment's importance in the maintenance of personal as well as collective liberty.

“the states cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security”- Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 264-66 (1886)

“as all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force of the national government the states could not prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security”- Maxwell v. Dow, 176 U.S. 581, 597 (1900)

“Marshaling an impressive array of historical evidence, a growing body of scholarly commentary indicates that the "right to keep and bear arms" is, as the Amendment's text suggests, a personal right.”- Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898, 938-939 (1997)

And finally in the most recent case - District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Feel free to meditate on that for a while.

By the way, be sure to tell Nurse Ratched hello! -----> WTF???

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No one will take our arms. NWOhereNow should change his name to nowhere now. We already have our ammunition and guns. I am part of a well organized militia and so are hundreds of thousands of others. You , sir, are the traitor and should be called out for it. Apparently, you have never been to the South and have no idea what you are talking about. We are ready and have been for years. I was raised hunting, trapping, fishing and fighting. bring on the Chinese or anyone else for that matter. I am unafraid of the NWO. They should fear me. I will defend liberty at all costs even yours.

The Dude Abides.

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You try to take Americans firearms, and you're going to get a whole new definition of the word "Militia."

Originally posted by genius/idoit
you know,your post makes me wonder how long TPTB have been trying to keep us weak(for lack of a better word)I mean in midievil times did TPTB take away peoples swords?

They tried to ban the crossbow because it was so deadly to knights (ie. the nobility), yet required little training or strength to use.

The Medieval Crossbow is Banned! The Magna Carta sought to ban foreign crossbowmen in order to defend the realm but a Pope had tried to ban this weapon even before this time! The devastating effect of the crossbow and the wounds it could inflict were reflected by these Medieval weapon bans. Article 51 of the Magna Carta stated the following:

" As soon as peace is restored, we will banish from the kingdom all foreign born knights, crossbow men, sergeants and mercenary soldiers who have come with horses and arms to the kingdom's hurt."

In 1139 Pope Innocent II and the Church of the Lateran Council issued a judgement against the use of the crossbow by Christians against Christians. The Medieval crossbow was referred to as "the deadly art, hated by God, of crossbowmen..." The Medieval crossbow was viewed as an abomination but the weapon bans failed to stop the rise of crossbows, they were simply ignored, and the crossbow continued to remain a favoured weapon across both Europe and England.

www.castles.me.uk...

Originally posted by TheComte

Originally posted by genius/idoit
you know,your post makes me wonder how long TPTB have been trying to keep us weak(for lack of a better word)I mean in midievil times did TPTB take away peoples swords?

They tried to ban the crossbow because it was so deadly to knights (ie. the nobility), yet required little training or strength to use.

The Medieval Crossbow is Banned! The Magna Carta sought to ban foreign crossbowmen in order to defend the realm but a Pope had tried to ban this weapon even before this time! The devastating effect of the crossbow and the wounds it could inflict were reflected by these Medieval weapon bans. Article 51 of the Magna Carta stated the following:

" As soon as peace is restored, we will banish from the kingdom all foreign born knights, crossbow men, sergeants and mercenary soldiers who have come with horses and arms to the kingdom's hurt."

In 1139 Pope Innocent II and the Church of the Lateran Council issued a judgement against the use of the crossbow by Christians against Christians. The Medieval crossbow was referred to as "the deadly art, hated by God, of crossbowmen..." The Medieval crossbow was viewed as an abomination but the weapon bans failed to stop the rise of crossbows, they were simply ignored, and the crossbow continued to remain a favoured weapon across both Europe and England.

www.castles.me.uk...

That's a great post.

Guns will soon go the way of the crossbow when more powerful, hand held wave based weapons are available. As I said before, we use explosive projectiles as of now, but they will soon be obsolete compared to other weapons.

The problem with this progression in hand held power, and general miniaturization of raw killing power should be all too clear. We're on a path to having hand held weapons which can cause the same devastation as seen on September 11th: Small arms which have the power to take down entire, large buildings.

Moreover, we're on the path where we don't just harm people with weapons, but the most untrained individual will be capable to literally disintegrating someone with the pull of a trigger or push of a button.

... but, YOU will not be able to own these weapons. You will not have the right to bear such powerful arms.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by NWOhereNOW

 

You try to take Americans firearms, and you're going to get a whole new definition of the word "Militia."

Idle threats from a worn out man with delusions of grandeur.

When the government decides to take your weapons, they may take them by force, but most likely by attrition.

Illegalization of guns & weapon manufacturing and strict importation monitoring is all it will take.

You may think the unorganized militia is capable of something great, but look at history and you'll see how weak such an UNCAPABLE force really is.

When the time to disarm the population comes, it WILL happen.

There is NOTHING you can do about it except to DIE.

This is the country and government that gave you everything you have, and it is the same country and government that will take it away.

Originally posted by Monteriano
reply to post by NWOhereNOW

 

No one will take our arms. NWOhereNow should change his name to nowhere now. We already have our ammunition and guns.

You have a very limited supply. The government will have access to a virtually unlimited supply when the time comes.

I am part of a well organized militia and so are hundreds of thousands of others. You , sir, are the traitor and should be called out for it.

I'm not a traitor. The General population is. I served in USMC FR for 8 years fighting for the country while you lazy, McDonald eating excuses for life spoke badly about us who faced death for you. I keep my weapon close. There isn't enough room for someone to step between it and my face. I have been wronged, and that is the bottom line. So have the other honest defenders of the country who put their life on the line only to come home and realize that they left their wife, their child.. for a bunch of disgusting fat pigs shopping at wal-mart in electric scooters...

a bunch of welfare recipients.

a bunch of drug dealers.

a bunch of hippies.

a bunch of useless sacks of meat!

a bunch of arm-chair UNORGANIZED militia members!

....For a war that YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT!?

YOU DISGUST ME!!!!!

I don't see you any different from anyone else who has not volunteered to serve the country and the things they take for granted.

Unlike you, I realize that the general populace of nasty, untrained, fat, disgusting pig civilians do not deserve to maintain an arsenal unless they join the organized militia and serve there country how many foreign nations demand.

The enemy here is not the Government.

The real enemy is the people. The people bring everything unsavory, unjust, pop-culture, shallow, unthoughtful, selfish, stupid, dribble.

It's always been about the people. You all have it wrong:

The government is made up of the people. When the government is corrupt, it is because the people are corrupt.

Consider the SOURCE of corruption. Open your eyes to what this country has become.

See what it will be when the SOURCE of the problem is put in check!

THE PEOPLE!





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BS.

Wave weapons, tuned scalar interferometers, linear EM disruption weapons, and scalar EM backfeeds will be developed by individuals, and some already have.

Everything under the sun was discovered and developed by individual researchers.

Jesus, I'd really, really like to see you get one, single, point correct.

But keep plugging.

Even a blind squirrel on occasion finds a nut.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by NWOhereNOW

 

BS.

Wave weapons, tuned scalar interferometers, linear EM disruption weapons, and scalar EM backfeeds will be developed by individuals, and some already have.

Everything under the sun was discovered and developed by individual researchers.

Jesus, I'd really, really like to see you get one, single, point correct.

But keep plugging.

Even a blind squirrel on occasion finds a nut.

Jesus, you are a character!

The majority of these advanced weapons systems are being developed right now by government contractors and agencies like DARPA. The "Individuals" who "discover" these technologies do not hold copyright or patent over what they create, especially since most is created as part of a project.

"Everything under the sun was discovered and developed by individual researchers."

That phrase is not even wrong.

Speaking of DARPA, I wonder how well your explosive projectile weapons will do against form changing and bullet proof robots?

Maybe your neighbor will create self-replicating nano-bots in his garage science militia lab in order to defeat them!

You'll be the FIRST to go down, ye who thinks he is invincible.

reply to post by NWOhereNOW


I may be a character, but I'm not as uninformed as you.

I tried to be subtle in my sentence, the one that indicated "some already have."

The heart itself is an electrically fired organ. It's actually quite simple to disrupt that electrical activity from a significant distance with the right infolded EM energy. That's already long been discovered, but no one is really talking about it, are they?

And I assure you, DARPA, nor any government agency had anything to do with that development.

You seem to have an unusually high opinion of the Federal Government.

I am so impressed. Is this the same Fed that didn't put guns on a fighter aircraft? You're knowingly and intentionally going to a gunfight, and you don't see a need for a gun?

Now you have two deuce and a half's that back up miles outside a town. Each has a very special transmitter, each on a different frequency.

They aim their frequency output at the town, and begin a slow sweep. The other truck does the same thing. Only where the two frequencies cross and mix, do you get the harmonics and subharmonics that end all life within the crossed beams.

The Fed doesn't have these, because the Fed didn't invent it. There's a whole universe of **** that the Federal government doesn't have.

They BUY ****.

They FUND ****.

DARPA submits requests for technologies.

Technologies that others are involved in.

Already involved in.

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wow, what a thread.. is this nwo guy for real?? I dont know what to make of all this. I will say this, I would never want to hurt anyone, but in defence what else can be done.. I dont believe in weapons, but when someone else can posses them we should as well. A message to nwo and whoever he represents. I say this, we put down our guns, when you put down yours. Why is this world so bent on murder and killing. we go to wars, fund genocides and now the fed wonders why its people are the way they are, its embedded in the lifeforce, you want us to do as you say not as you do, its a contadiction of natural law. We put down our guns, when you possess some of the most destructive things on the planet, ive seen vids of what a minigun can do, nukes, etc, that is evil, but, I guess its depends on whos firing it, im sure when you need support, the most deadly is a comfort but whats the point, after you have disarmed the planet then what? a utopia?? we can all buy as you say, mcdonalds and listen to ipods working 80 hours a week for creds?? or is it the plan to reduce the population to the 500 million you want?? whats the goal here NWO since you know so much, please inform me because it all sounds crazy to me. educate me, I surely dont want to be on the wrong side, I want to be on the side of good and right. Are you the good?? is all this killing and overthrowing of people for thousands of years all in the name of a beutiful outcome?? or are we just animals who believe we have the right to do what we want. If you really represent the fed, ill tell you what I want, for all this BS to stop, is it really that hard?

one more thing NWO, sice your the man an all, what was the point of 9/11?? why did yall do that?? or when you come taking weapons and arresting people, are you going to get those guys as well?? you going to take bush and cheneys guns too?? arrest all the corrupt people as you say, that means all of them, if thats the case you must be 4th reich brittish coming to claim your project, who do you represent again im confused??? but again tell me the true purpose so we can be on the same page.

Thanks.

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bullet proof robots?
You're really Kelso from that 70's show aren't you?
The comma I refered to is the one before the 2nd amm. says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not ...."
In 18th century writing, the comma, especially in this case, is meant as a pause, or to simplify it for you, friend, to take the place of the word "and".
There is absolutely NO excuse for the gov't. to want our guns, unless they have something else in mind...

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you really do make me nervous. An ex marine on medication with a weapon, who thinks nobody should have a gun. Did I about cover it? Look here sport, you should turn your weapon in to the police real quick before those pink elephants attack and you start shooting.

Just know this, nobody is going to change the second amendment while the USA is still a free country. And It will take a hell of a fight to make that happen. Get rid of your weapons and take your medication.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by NWOhereNOW

 

you really do make me nervous. An ex marine on medication with a weapon, who thinks nobody should have a gun. Did I about cover it? Look here sport, you should turn your weapon in to the police real quick before those pink elephants attack and you start shooting.

I don't think NOBODY should have a gun. As a matter of fact, I think EVERYBODY should be FORCED to have a weapon and serve in the organized militia or active duty armed forces for a minimum of 3 years. I just don't believe that the useless wal-mart faties or the drunken red necks, or anybody and their mother deserve to wield the power and responsibility that a firearm brings.

Just know this, nobody is going to change the second amendment while the USA is still a free country. And It will take a hell of a fight to make that happen. Get rid of your weapons and take your medication.

The USA isn't a free country. You have no idea what a free country is.

NWO, you didnt answer my question?? why are you disarming everyone and when you do what is the plan???

you think nobody should have a gun but everybody should have one and join the military, why?? you have fasination with killing people??? fasination with power?? why wouldnt you think, nobody should have a gun, nobody should have a military, nobody should go to war?? what is this animal instinct with dominance??

also my question of who do you work for????

dont diregard this, I am calling you out, in fact the way you talk of useless fatties and walmart, it shows how narrow minded you are, possibly brainwashed, or even bigger possiblity that you are under 20 years of age and are just seeking attention..

what is this plan your supposed to be involved in.. enlighten me..

Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
reply to post by NWOhereNOW

 

bullet proof robots?
You're really Kelso from that 70's show aren't you?
The comma I refered to is the one before the 2nd amm. says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not ...."
In 18th century writing, the comma, especially in this case, is meant as a pause, or to simplify it for you, friend, to take the place of the word "and".
There is absolutely NO excuse for the gov't. to want our guns, unless they have something else in mind...

As a few have said, "militia" and "people" appear to be interchangeable:

"A well regulated people being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Think about that for a second. I shouldn't have to mention that.

As the second amendment states, the militia (the people) must be regulated.

Your typical fat, disgusting lazy American PERSON is not well regulated. As a whole, the PEOPLE are not regulated. They are irregular and disgusting.

They must not be considered part of the militia. They must not own weapons.

It's all very logical.

Perhaps their bodies are fine for sandbags and bullet proofing, but that's about it.

NWO!!!!! your dodging the questions! I read were you said, we will take your guns or kill you, put you in camps etc.. now your talking about regulated militias.. go back to the " we will kill you " part of your logic.. AGAIN.. who do you work for, what is the plan and outcome?? STOP DODGING.. GO BACK AND READ.. or shut up..

thanks.