Liberalism - Could it be caused by developmental delay?

reply to post by justsomeboreddude


I'm in general agreement dude.

Source 5

Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. - Winston Churchill

And just my two cents, the US does not currently have a conservative party or movement. Only liberal and liberal-lite.

reply to post by Hemisphere


A star for you. Nice. I agree that the conservatives have gone way too liberal, especially on spending and the size of government. You know I guess it is hard to get elected when you tell people what they need to hear instead of what they want to hear.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by The_Modulus

 

A fine example would be the use of the word Pro-Choice as being something acceptable because what kind of lunatic would run around and say they were Pro-Baby Murder. However, when you call it pro-choice it becomes much more marketable to other liberals. Because just like children they want to do what they want when they want and what two words scream that louder than PRO CHOICE!

Pro Choice is convincing women that their human and motherly instincts have not only failed them but have been forced upon them. And that self and a fleeting impression of control and freedom are above all else life's goals. If you could somehow coerce animals to abort their young you would be thought a monster. If you can convince women to give up their unborn children and that it will improve their lives you are a progressive.

reply to post by Hemisphere


I know what you mean. Liberals wouldnt be bothered a bit for a woman to have an abortion, but if I went and ripped a baby seal out of its mothers womb and sucked its brains out with a vacuum cleaner they would all have me hung.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

You know I guess it is hard to get elected when you tell people what they need to hear instead of what they want to hear.

That is exactly what is happening. There is a subculture of "get mine" that has blossomed with the spending of the Bush and Obama administrations. They've spawned trickle down greed and it's fueled by all the global warming, nuclear proliferation, 2012, end times and economic collapse threats. "I've gotta get mine while I can!"

Someone beat us to this line of thinking dude...

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin

Lets examine these 6 points you've made.

1. Thinking they are always right and saying NO to any idea that conflicts with their selfish desires
2. Magical thinking
3. A need to have control of everyone around them
4. Dependence on their mother and father or a guardian for protection and sustenance
5. Throwing Tantrums and whining as a way of getting their way
6. Utter self-centeredness

1. In terms of selfishness, i think you might find the right-wing to be a little more guilty of that then the left and unfortunately, history agree's with me. Fascism is the extreme state of a right-wing government and focus' on the idea that the country which adopted it is vastly superior as a people and nation then any other (an ideal which is greatly perpetuated by the American people). the logic behind Fascism allows it to take advantage of other peoples as the idea is that they are inferior to you anyways (it was this line of thinking that contributed to the start of both world wars, so i dont think i need to stress the dangers of such an ideal). while not every right-winger agrees with these ideals, the fundementals remain throughout right wing parties as evidenced by the rampant pillaging of South America, S.E. Asia and parts of Africa by the American government. As for the thinking they are always right, republicans have been using the "we need to spread democracy to these people" line since the signing of your constitution! (need i give examples here? Vietnam War? Iraq War? the list goes on for awhile) what the hell makes you think your right? Many of the governments that you ousted during the cold war in South America where democratically elected by their people, but since your government didnt like the outcome of those elections (they want communists for leaders? not on my watch says uncle sam!) you had the leaders overthrown in bloody coups to warn others from trying the same (Arbenz of Gautamala is one example), then you would replace them with some of the most degenerate ruthless mass murders in history (Pinochet anyone?) to keep control of the country so that you can proceed to rape the land of anything of value to help YOUR economy! its the corperative state that does this and it is the right-wing that backs and helps them.

2. You accuse the liberals of magical thinking? need i remind you that despite the idea that separation of church and state was one of the most important factors to a democracy (an idea ADAMANTLY supported and widely accepted by the founding fathers of America) the right-wing is still the side which contains the most religious extremist zealots? that it has the people banning the theory of evolution in favour of creationism in schools down south of the usa? if your gonna tell me that the rampant religious extremism associated with much of the right-wing doesnt constitute magical thinking, well then i accuse you of lack of thinking.

3. The Patriot Act is a product of Bush, enough said.

4. A government is meant to be made by the people (hence "we the people" not "we the politicians") and any side, be it liberal, republican, socialist should recognize that, it is the basis of nearly every idealogy with the exception of the extreme right-wing and pseudo-socialism. You can sit here and point fingers with this one, or you can recognize that any government which looks after its people, does so because its people need looking after, liberals want that because a right-wing government does the opposite, it doesnt provide, it takes and allocates to who it wants.

5. Throwing tantrums? what happens when the conservatives dont get their way? they blow up a country! How did Bush want to solve Iranian enrichment? invade Iran. What is the current administration doing? Talking it over like adults. The right-wing descision is always the same, fck tolerance and understanding, lets invade them cus they dont agree with us, kinda relates to number 3. to huh?

6. Well this point is just redundant of point 1 and 5 really.

I'll take bleeding-heart liberals over ignorant rednecks any day. Liberals are annoying but mostly harmless. Fundamentalist, right-wing rednecks are downright dangerous.

Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

I'm in general agreement dude.

Source 5

Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. - Winston Churchill

And just my two cents, the US does not currently have a conservative party or movement. Only liberal and liberal-lite.

Couldnt disagree with you more Hemisphere. I encourage you to read the Patriot Act (in its entirety if you havent done so already) then read a document from 1930s Germany called the Enabling Act. Youll find some pretty interesting parallels between the two documents and might drop this idea that your parties are all Liberal when you consider that this was the document that allowed Adolf Hitler to come to power.
Btw, Churchill was a drunk, a habitual drug user and a failure as a politician in the years before and after World War 2, you might want to consider qouting someone with a little more credibility.

reply to post by mikolaj


1. I didnt know that conservatives were fascists. I thought they were just freedom loving people with a sense of personal responsibility. What seems more fascist to me is an administration that just raped two car companies and wants to control private production of automobiles.

2. I am pretty sure based on the constitution itself and the landmarks built by our founding fathers their idea of separation of church and state did not mean what you think it means. It meant that the state should not interfere in religion. They had basically no concept of anything outside of Christianity. In their world you were either a Christian or an Indian (in their words heathen). They had no idea that we would become full of atheists that want to tear down the very structures they built because they praise God. If they thought God was not a part of government then why did they put verses from the bible all over the buildings.

3. Designed to fight the war on terror, not for the average citizen. Did anyone lock you up by using the Patriot Act.

4. People dont need looking after unless they are disabled. Are you trying to say that you know people that are so stupid they need a government to look after them?

5. Defending your country is not the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. Wanting to Impeach a President over a war you disagree with is though.

[edit on 6/2/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

reply to post by eniac


Well if you mean liberals being harmless that its harmless to bankrupt the country by forcing through a liberal agenda that we cant afford then I fear you.

reply to post by mikolaj


Perfect only a liberal could see Winston Churchill as a just an alcoholic and a drug addict. Too bad old Winston wasnt an American living today. He could probably get some stimulus money because he was just a sad alchy and it isnt his fault. We could have given him a hand up. Why dont we just say what we mean, "I hate Winston Churchill because he hurt my feelings", but I guess we cant expect that from the developmentally delayed.

reply to post by justsomeboreddude

resources magically grow on trees...

Apple trees:
blogs.lifeway.com...

Plum trees:
bojack.org...

Peach trees:
www.netstate.com...

Trees are made of wood (a resource):
upload.wikimedia.org...

Looks like resources do grow on trees.

Magical ain't it?

reply to post by dalan.


LOL, I knew when I wrote that somebody would say what you are saying. You know what I mean there is not an unlimited amount of money or trees or gold or oil or anything. Stuff may grow on trees, but their is still a limit.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by eniac

 

Well if you mean liberals being harmless that its harmless to bankrupt the country by forcing through a liberal agenda that we cant afford then I fear you.

What I really want to know is...when will people realize this whole battle between the "right" and the "left," between conservatives and liberals, between Democrats and Republicans....is all a facade...

The two-Party distraction.

Its very clever, even Hitler used it.

But I don't think that I would just go around blaming Liberals for the economy...sounds like someone doesn't understand Fractional Reserve Banking.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by dalan.

 

LOL, I knew when I wrote that somebody would say what you are saying. You know what I mean there is not an unlimited amount of money or trees or gold or oil or anything. Stuff may grow on trees, but their is still a limit.

Trees are unlimited, they're a renewable resource...so yeah, there is no limit to the resources that they yield.

By they way, there is no limit to the amount of money we have, or could have, figuring money is printed out of thin air anyway.

reply to post by dalan.


LOL, I dont understand banking according to you but you think money can be printed out of thin air without consequence. Just wait about 1 year and we can have this discussion after hyperinflation kicks in, and you can tell me that money is an unlimited resource.

You know what I mean. You cannot grow an infinite amount of trees at any given time. There is not an unlimited amount of apples that we can produce. Can we produce a lot if that is all we use the Earths land for? Yes. Can we produce an infinite amount year to year.. no.

Well but anyway thanks for supporting the idea of magical thinking.


[edit on 6/2/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by dalan.

LOL, I dont understand banking according to you but you think money can be printed out of thin air without consequence. Just wait about 1 year and we can have this discussion after hyperinflation kicks in, and you can tell me that money is an unlimited resource.

Money is printed out of thin air.

And if yo didn't want all of this debt that we're in, then maybe we should be kicking in the Federal Reserve's doors and destroying them.

We wouldn't have any debt if the Fed didn't charge interest for all of the money that Congress borrows.

Interest kills Nations, not Liberals...or Conservatives for that matter.

Banks are the common enemy of both Democrats and Republicans...Just like Andrew Jackson and Abe Lincoln.

You know what I mean. You cannot grow an infinite amount of trees at any given time. There is not an unlimited amount of apples that we can produce. Can we produce a lot if that is all we use the Earths land for? Yes. Can we produce an infinite amount year to year.. no.

We get pretty damn close to a near-infinte amount every year.

Get a job in a Grocery store and check out how much fresh produce is tossed out everyday...and then tally up the homeless that don't eat.

We have plenty of resources to go around, we just aren't very responsible at resource management...and economics is a large part of that problem.


[edit on 6/2/2009 by dalan.]

justsomeboreddude maybe you should think a little before you say things

1. If the current administration was fascist it would be GIVING money to car companies, instead it is following the truest ideals of capitalism, they produced a #ty product, managed their company poorly so they got bankrupted by competition, thats what happens in capitalism and thats how it (in theory) progresses the economy. if your going to say that you agree with your countries founding ideologies and then spout nonsense about the current administration being fascist for following them, then you sir, are a raging hypocrite. private production and planned economies are marks of socialism, not fascism. and loving freedom has nothing to do with whether or not your conservative or not, that wasnt my point, my point was that when people polarize due to extreme circumstances, your side tends to jump the more authoritarian way.

2. Christianity and Indian?! you do know your history right? cus last time I check the Indians religion was probably the LAST one we discovered. Do i need to bring up the crusades? the silk road to China which introduced Buddhism to western culture? Trade with India which brought about Hinduism? And despite what you may think the seperation of church and state was important because your founding fathers didnt want the country they had worked so hard to create to become like the one people just left in europe because the church had helped turn it into an authoritarian oppressive #HOLE, Jefferson, Washington, Adams and many more all have been qouted stating that they were NOT fans of religion and in fact were very much opposed to the ideal of organized religion as it led to a theocracy, they put crap like that all over their buildings because unfortunatly this was not a view shared by the public.

3. before we discuss this i INSIST you take my advice and read it. Those people were also given no trail, for most there was no evidence at all of their involvement with terrorism. the patriot act is an infringment on the constitutional rights of an American citizen and a SEVERE infraction against the international bill of human rights, its application has been widely criticized throughout the world for a reason.

4. it has nothing to do with the government looking after you, it has to do with providing the basic necessities for life. the fact is that unfortunately people get left behind in a system like ours and you can be an unsympathetic prick and say their loss, but if it was you starving on the street, youd want some help getting back on your feet too asshole.

5. Defending your country? tell me, what threat did Iraq pose exactly? even if they DID have weapons of mass destruction they didnt have the means to deliver them. What about Vietnam? you guys went in their guns blazing, operation rolling thunder killed an estimated 1.3 million civilians in North Vietnam (thats classified as genocide under united nations charter), perhaps you want to tell me the threat they possessed? How bout when you rocked panama? that had nothing to do with the canal at allowing American access to it did it? they had BONEFIDED WMDS DOWN THERE HMMMMM? argue what you want and i will listen but drop this "defending our country" bull#, your indescribably ignorant if you think that any country will attack a superpower, thats #ing suicide and they know it.

and im not liberal in any sense at all, and if i was that still wouldnt change the fact that Churchill was a drunk and a drug abuser (he popped benzo like it was nothing, dont believe me? do your own research, maybe youll learn something about the man you so readily defend)

reply to post by dalan.


Wow you think by now I would have learned to stop reasoning with my toddlers.

Money is printed out of thin air. BUT NOT WITHOUT EVENTUAL CONSEQUENCES.

And if yo didn't want all of this debt that we're in, then maybe we should be kicking in the Federal Reserve's doors and destroying them.

We wouldn't have any debt if the Fed didn't charge interest for all of the money that Congress borrows.

Interest kills Nations, not Liberals...or Conservatives for that matter.

Banks are the common enemy of both Democrats and Republicans...Just like Andrew Jackson and Abe Lincoln.

Wow liberal thinking at its best. Did you ever think maybe we would not have debt if Congress quit overspending. They are the problem not interest. Even if you are not charged interest on your debt, you still are in debt for the priniciple.

Interest is healthy in that it is a form of reward for the lender and punishment for the borrower. But I know how liberals hate the idea of not getting a free ride. Maybe your parents might loan you money with no interest if they want you to grow up to be an irresponsible, money borrowing looser, but nobody else will.

We get pretty damn close to a near-infinte amount every year.

Please look up the definition of infinity.

Get a job in a Grocery store and check out how much fresh produce is tossed out everyday...and then tally up the homeless that don't eat.

We have plenty of resources to go around, we just aren't very responsible at resource management...and economics is a large part of that problem.

Well we could blame ourselves for other people starving or we could accept the fact that MOST of them can work like the rest of us. I am all for helping people who are trully disabled, but not a normal healthy person who is just as capable of work as I am. Now feeding people in Africa where there is little opportunity is a whole other story.