Whats going on here!!?? Taymour

The six Planetoids that were shown in the beginning of the video are what I believe logically Taymour is saying these beings live at. Admittedly not much is known about Kuiper objects and beyond. The following is what I could find on the objects. Really only four of them stood out as anything remotely odd. Pluto, Haumea, Quaoar, and Makemake (2005 FY9). Sedna (Xena) somewhat stood out because of its’ similarities with Pluto. All though all of these objects are extremely far away and thus VERY cold with highest temperatures (from what NASA says) on average around -200 degrees F. So either A.) NASA is lying about the temperatures, which is unlikely because I see no plausible way a body that far from the Sun could have any type of habitable warmth, the only slight natural possibility would be geothermal but even that IMO would not be enough.

2.) These creatures have artificial bases on one of these bodies, which would be logical if one is to live on one of these distant and inhospitable objects.

3.) These creatures do not require the same conditions that we do for life and thus any logic that uses our “criteria for life” is mute.

The following is a brief list of the six Planetoids listed in the video:

Pluto

Pluto is believed to have rocky surface that is covered in frozen methane, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide. The same makes up its’ atmosphere which likely falls to the ground during Pluto’s Aphelion . Its’ average temperature is around 44 Kelvin (-308F). Pluto has three known moons. At times Pluto is closer to Earth than Neptune, this is during Pluto’s Perihelion or Apsis. We will know quite a bit more about Pluto and the other Kuiper objects after The New Horizons probe arrives at Pluto on July, 2015.

This Planetoid stood out for many reasons, it is the closest to Earth so it makes sense that a ETs outpost would be positioned somewhat close to Earth. Also it is thought to contain water ice on its’ surface. It also relatively ‘warm’ compared to the other Planetoids.

Best resolution available of Pluto taken by Hubble in true color
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Diagram showing the theoretical three layers of structure that make up Pluto’s mass with “1” being frozen nitrogen, “2” being water ice, and “3” rock.
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For further info see Pluto

Eris (Xena)

This object is actually more massive than Pluto by about 27%. Its’ surface temperature is believed to be between 23-27 Kelvin (about –414 F), noticeably colder than Pluto due to it being further from the Sun. Its’ average distance from Sun is around 64 AUs. This Planetoid was originally called “Planet X” by NASA, but after the IAU reclassified planets in 2006 this was bumped down to a “Dwarf Planet”, a type of Planetoid. The same reasons I gave for Pluto can apply here in support of life living on one of these bodies.

Picture of Eris and moon Dysnomia taken from Hubble
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Comparison of Near- Infrared spectrum showing close similarities of Eris and Pluto, notice arrows pointing to methane absorption.
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For further info see Eris

Sedna

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Artist depiction of Sedna and moon

So far from Sun that the temperature never rises above 33 Kelvin (-400F) and is thought by some to be the first object that belongs to the hypothetical Oort Cloud . Surface is though to be comprised of a hydrocarbon sludge, giving Sedna its’ red color. Its’ surface has been suggested to be made of the following: 24% Triton tholin, 7% amorphous carbon, and 26% methanol ice with 33% methane. Sedna does have an unusual orbit that has lead some to believe it is possibly being perturbated by a Saturn or Jupiter sized object in the Oort Cloud.

For further info see Sedna

Makemake (2005FY9)

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Hubble photo of Makemake

Makemake is possibly the most compelling of the six dwarf planets. Makemake has an Extremely high methane content. It contains broad methane absorption bands, and if the levels were much lower like Pluto or Eris than I wouldn’t be speculating anything, but they are MUCH higher, and methane is a by product of organic life. I am NOT saying this is definitive proof of ANYTHING but that it is simply interesting to note. There is also a significant lack of nitrogen as opposed to Pluto or Eris. Although it has been postulated that the high levels of methane and the low levels of nitrogen are a result of atmospheric escape the fact is we simply do not know enough about that process or these outer solar objects to make a secure decision. Here is some more information on Makemake:

Average surface temperature of around 30 Kelvin (-405F) with an average distance from Sun at around 45 AUs. Rocky surface could contain nitrogen ice or methane ice, it is unknown currently. The atmosphere could be frozen to the surface during Makemake’s Aphelion.

For further info see Makemake

Quaoar

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Hubble picture of Quaoar

Another interesting dwarf planet because of its’ active geology on it. Cryovolcanism is thought to be responsible for the evidence showing a sudden rise in temperature in the last 10 million years. The temperature rose to its’ current range of 110 Kelvin (-261F) possibly due to eruptions of water, ammonia, or methane rather than molten rock. Quaoar is about 3.7 billion miles from the Sun and has an average temperature of 55K (-360F). Its surface is likely similar to that of Saturn’s moon Enceladus.

For further info see Quaoar

Haumea(2003 EL61)

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Keck Image of Haumea and its’ two moons

The elliptical shape of Haumea makes it standout for its’ uniqueness in the Kuiper Belt. Another strange and unknown feature of this Planetoid is the surface and its’ feature. While Haumea may have a molted surface similar to Pluto it seems to exhibit something strange in the fact that spectra readings showed strong crystalline water ice features, which is very peculiar because crystalline ice forms at above 110 Kelvin and the observed temperature on the surface is on the order of below 50 Kelvin, the temperature where amorphous ice is formed. The ice structure is unstable due to the constant bombardment of cosmic rays and other energetic particles that strike all the objects in the Kuiper region. The timescale for the ice to revert to its’ amorphous structure from crystalline is on the order of ten million years, however these objects have been in their present location for 1,000s of MILLIONs of years! In addition radiation damage should darken and redden the surface of the dwarf planet where common organic compounds are present, but this is NOT the case. It appears that by an unknown mechanism the surface of this body is being “resurfaced”! There have also been traces of hydrogen cyanide and other related salts found.

Artist rendering of Haumea
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For further info see Haumea

All images courtesy of wikipedia.org

Continued....



[edit on 6/2/2009 by jkrog08]

So after reviewing the ‘six’ in the video I believe that we can narrow it down to at least four, and likely down further to two which are Haumea and Makemake, although Pluto is still attractive. It seems more than likely that any intelligent creatures that reside on these planets would simply be using it as an ‘outpost’ and not their ‘homeworld’. It could be possible that their homeworld is close by but I doubt it. So in my opinion if indeed this is not a hoax (which is still up in the air by all means) the these creatures simply have a base for research and/or observation on one of these bodies. It is possible however these beings don’t require the same living conditions that we do and could be quite comfortable in -400 degree weather breathing methane/nitrogen atmosphere. It also could be possible that it is a totally different Planetoid that is not shown in the video, but I then wonder why did Taymour show it in the opening sequence? Also I would like to know exactly what probe or telescope took these pictures as we could all see that publically we have NOTHING near the abilities presented reportedly in the video to take such super-high resolution pictures of these very distant objects. So it must be a classified project if it is true. I wonder if it is no body at all and simply some “planet-ship”, I don’t know this is PURELY SPECULATION on my part. But in principle it is logical that if a species had the technology and wanted to observe a less advanced race then they would take up a base at a position they knew we couldn’t detect easily. I hope to hear some good news soon, and if this turns out to be a hoax then at least we all learnt a little something about the relatively unknown region in our outer solar system.

Taymour my friend, as you can see we (at least me and some others) are all taking you VERY seriously and devoting MUCH time and work to help your cause. So can you please work with us here and give us at least the name of the Planetoid? Any further, more definitive information would also be GREATLY appreciated. If not than ANY additional information would be of GREAT value.

Additional Sources
wikipedia.org
nasa.gov


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What a fascinating thread!

Huge credit must go to those members who are digging deeper than anyone else,particularly internos and jkrog08
for trying to bring us the truth!

I am still not sure which way this thread is going to go,but i hope it will lead to something positive!

Good work everyone!

P.s. and not forgetting MysterE as well!

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Taymour,
With your permission, I would like to send Internos, and jkorg08 a copy of the images you sent me this morning. I believe you can trust them to not post them as you have trusted me. I have emailed the most interesting 4 to a geologist as requested, and I am awaiting his response. I will admit, they are not "proof", but are much more interesting then your video.

Let me know if that would be ok

Thanks
-E-

Brilliant work jkrog08!

That's quite a bit of research you did there, serious to you.

I just hope Taymour shows up and can give us something concrete to work with (and prove me wrong about him).

-m0r

I just have to say that this turned, in whathever way it ends, to be a very exciting thread. Its good to see how far we have come in our efforts to try to do something constructive instead of setting each other on fire. Hoax or not; ive learned something new here, and some posters, especially jkrog & internos: Your level of skilled and interesting research is extremly appreciated. My hat is off!

Credit also to MysterE

Keep up the good work

edit for lingo and bedtime

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reply to post by jkrog08


Jkorg,
The images given to me were fairly close to whatever it is. I wonder if any pictures of Kuiper Belt objects have been photographed relatively close up, since they are so far away?

-E-

reply to post by MysterE


No it is not possible with current publically acknowledged technology. That is why this is one of the main issues here. If this is not a hoax than this is coming from something classified to secret because as I showed in my last post we have nothing capable of taking these high res pics of bodies that far away. We have no probes that have taken any pictures of any of the Kuiper objects either. The one we just sent will not get to Pluto until July 2015.


Also I am curious as to exactly what these pictures are supossed to be showing, I see nothing in the video that could possibly lead to a 'smoking gun' and definitive proof of ET life. I don't know what pictures you got showed but I hope they are a little more showing than the video. I am not a geologist but I just don't see how anything in the video could result in anything more than a "interesting" or "unknown" verdict. I really hope this pans out my friend.~jkrog08

Thank you everyone for your kind words, internos and I are just trying to get to the bottom of this and come to a solution ASAP.

I don't doubt we have the capability to get pictures that close up of these planetoids, if you believe the government has back-engineered alien craft, then you can also believe that can travel to Pluto quite easily and take some pictures.

reply to post by bl4ke360


Right, that's what I am trying to say; If this is legit than it HAS to come from a black project.

wow - this has probably been one of the best threads i've read - i definately thought this would end up being a hoax. When can we see the 4 pictures from Taymour?? Awesome job everyone involved. Cant wait to see how this ends up. S&F!!

Very interesting thread and great work done from some members!

But I have to agree, that we cant be really sure what we are seeing on that images.

What makes me a bit more sceptic is the fact, that Taymour as Italian, lives in europe. A proven fact now. Such secret space programs with capabilties to take close pictures from objects in the Kuiper belt, I would relate to US. Maybe thats here the case? Anyway, then its quite uncommon, that an italian guy in Italy get this kind of "first hand information/evidence".

To relate the ESA to such a project, is for me personally impossible.

Just my 2 cents...

reply to post by C64Warrior

Originally posted by C64Warrior
What makes me a bit more sceptic is the fact, that Taymour as Italian, lives in europe. A proven fact now. Such secret space programs with capabilties to take close pictures from objects in the Kuiper belt, I would relate to US. Maybe thats here the case? Anyway, then its quite uncommon, that an italian guy in Italy get this kind of "first hand information/evidence".

As much as I believe that this is a hoax and still do not believe this to be fact whatsoever, assuming that only the United States has the capabilities to preform such a task is a dangerous slope to travel as it can lead to many misconceptions.

Remember that it was the Soviets who beat us into space when they launched Sputnik, and we as a nation glimpsed into the night and watched it pass by. In recent years the Chinese have shown to be a worthy Space Adversary with boasting similar plans to that of the United States of sending people to the moon in recent years. They also have the potential of having many of their own Black Ops projects going on, which wouldn't be surprising due to their naturally secretive ways. However I digress from that point as it goes into another topic not suited for this thread.

Many nations are interested in Space and exploring this new unknown frontier. And as Americans it is often hard to see ourselves not being Number 1 in everything we strive for. Your misconception is a common one and not something for you to be flamed for, it may have been as simple of writing down your thoughts in an unclear manner.

I will close by saying that I agree with your skepticism on trusting why an average Italian man, or any man for that manner (National Heritage plays no role in the possible truth of the story) would be privy to such classified information. However, at this time I am going to bid to the wishes of Jkrog08 and Internos and trust that they are working on figuring this situation out.

While my opinion at this time has not changed, I will tone down my rhetoric and simply patiently wait for the truth to surface...

edit: to clarify second paragraph

[edit on 6/2/2009 by Sliadon]

Sliadon, I certianly agree with you that since this didn't come from the US that it does not lose credibility. I wanted to clarify something on this point below

Originally posted by Sliadon
I will close by saying that I agree with your skepticism on trusting why an average Italian man, or any man for that manner (National Heritage plays no role in the possible truth of the story) would be privy to such classified information.

Taymour (who we have proven is a lawyer) claims he is under "professional secret", which I presume means he has a client who has hired him to deal with matter. Below is a post from his "Ancient Civilizations" thread after ATS member DEAMON asked for a link to the origional images

Sorry Demon,
Not yet...
I'm still under professional secret.
I realized this video to begin to discose and to give the possibility to analize those images.

As well as this post

Believe me. I saw, whit my own eyes the huge "ANOMALIES". But this matter is very serious... and could put in danger the job of my client and worse...

I'm still not sure what to think about this whole thing, but it is certianly intriguing. Afterall it does make sense for someone to hire a lawyer if they were in posession of sensative materials of this nature.

-E-

jkrog08, and internos,
Taymour has given me permission to send you the images he sent to me. U2U me your email addresses and I will send them over asap.

-E-

reply to post by MysterE




Absolutely MysterE! And how silly of me to leave out that detail and overlook that point. Star for you for clarifying that!!!

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, thank you for making sure the wrong message isn't carried forward!

-Sliadon

reply to post by Sliadon


I hope it didn't come off as though I was trying to prove you wrong, this is a long thread and it is very easy to miss things, so I just wanted to put it out there. One thing I just noticed... Taymour is in Bari, Italy, which is approximatly 70km from Matera, Italy. Matera is home to one of the Italian Space Agencys (Agenzia Spaziale Italiana; ASI) operational centers. It's just speculation, but maybe his client works there??

-E-

Just wanted to quit lurking here for a second to applaud the fine work members are doing in this thread. Jkrog08 and Internos are at it again as usual, breaking down ignorance and getting some facts.

Whatever way this turns out I hope both of them have had their U2U boxes inundated with applause messages from staff. They deserve it.

reply to post by MysterE


Not at all! I am very thankful for your correction as with longer threads it becomes hard to sift through what is relevant and what has been tossed aside or misconceived.

You do however bring up an interesting fact that has been completely overlooked until now.

Originally posted by MysterE

Taymour is in Bari, Italy, which is approximatly 70km from Matera, Italy. Matera is home to one of the Italian Space Agencys (Agenzia Spaziale Italiana; ASI) operational centers. It's just speculation, but maybe his client works there??

-E-

The location that is being referred to here is one of the operational centers of the Agenzia Spaziale Italiana (ASI here on out due to laziness ) with the main HQ being in Rome and a second operational center in Trapani. The reported annual budget is $978 million (so we are not counting the possibility of Black OPs or other sources of additional funding that may trickle in).

Something to note about Matera, it is a rather small town of only 60,310 (as of June 2008). Bari, Itatly, which is apparently where Taymour resides is a bigger city boasting 320,676 (again using 2008 numbers). The distance of 70 km is just over 43 miles for any other silly American like myself so you too don't have to plug into a conversion chart

Now, I myself reside in a suburb of a major metropolitan area. It is not uncommon for commuters to make drives such lengths or greater into the city (or in this case a close by larger city) and retrospectively for this case as taking the assumption this client both works and resides in Matera, Italy, for people in the smaller areas to make trips into the city for services (the possibility of legal counsel).

Now, I am taking a complete leap of faith here with what MysterE is suggesting and hoping to prove myself wrong of skepticism and back MysterE with his idea. The ASI may have stumbled across something that troubled this individual who in panic turned to Taymour in desperation.

I like the potential of this new development MysterE and will await any details that will prove/disprove this theory.

Way to go!


Before I post, I know how important sources are and since I am quoting numbers in form of population let me cite where from,

ASI
Matera, Italy
Bari, Italy


edit: grammar (its late my apologies if more overlooked)

[edit on 6/2/2009 by Sliadon]