Saudis Behead, Crucify Convicted Child Molester, Murderer

I find it disturbing that this forum is discussing the pro's and con's of a Saudi beheading of a child molester when 28 men have been executed in the USA so far this year. The last one on the 20th May.
Is a beheading with a sharp knife and cruxifiction of a dead body any worse than a painful lethal injection.
Is the American Judicial procedure 100% foolproof?
I have no fondness of the Saudi's because of their treatment of women and the fact that people can be executed for drinking alcohol, but that is their law, maybe us in the West should butt out until we have our own houses in order.

List of USA Executions this year.
www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...

Its there country let them make there own rules. Its nothing to do with any of us, we might think we know best but so do they.

If somebody did that to my child and they did it in England, they would be in a cosy facility with TV (probably sky) computer games, gyms and games rooms. They would have chefs cooking for them and people to wash up for them once they have finshed. I could go on but the bottom line is they get treated too well. They probably have better health care than your average person.

Id be even more mad knowing that they would be comparing stories with other sickos and bragging about it inside, aswell as getting sympathy off the doctors who blame it on a bad childhood or something.

Id string them all up, this way people would think twice. And the victims families have closure.

Ask the boys mother if she thinks the guy was treated harshly, I bet she feels no sympathy for the beheaded.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
Maybe if you decide to not rollover some day to some religious leader you will learn why people are not slaughtered the instant some court slaps a lable on them. Sometimes people lie for various reasons... im sorry if this is the first time youve heard this.

So you lock them up, wasting the general population's money who are obedient members of the society and who actually do some good. Very good idea ^^

So the message I'm getting from most people is we should follow Saudi Arabia's example, they really care about the children?

Originally posted by clcreek

Saudis Behead, Crucify Convicted Child Molester, Murderer

www.foxnews.com

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted of brutally slaying an 11-year-old boy and his father, the Interior Ministry announced.

According to the statement issued by the ministry Friday, shop owner Ahmed al-Anzi molested the boy and then strangled him with a length of rope. He then stabbed the boy's father to death when the man came looking for his son.

(visit the link for the full news article)

I haven't read the entire thread, but I need to respond to the original post. It's all well and good that they made an example out of a raping/murdering bastard like that, but the very first thing that popped into my mind was, would it have been the rapist receiving the punishment if it had been women he had raped? I wonder...

Chrono

Originally posted by pieman

Originally posted by clcreek
So any judge/jury that doesn't give a sexual preditor a life sentence or the death penalty is guilty and should be held accountable if the person does commit any crimes after their release. This would go hand in hand with your theory for the wrongly convicted.

not really, the difference is, i would give ask those people to take responsibility only for the act of taking a human life, there own actions. you want them to take responsibility for someone else's actions, thats just ridiculous.

Ridiculous? Really? I am asking them to take the responsibility for letting someone lose that may commit the same crime again. So I am asking for the same thing.

LOL

I use your own argument and then you refute your own argument.

www.ojp.usdoj.gov...
On a given day in 1994 there were approximately 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault under the care, custody, or control of corrections agencies; nearly 60% of these sex offenders are under conditional supervision in the community.

The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual assaulters was less than 13 years old; the median age of rape victims was about 22 years.

An estimated 24% of those serving time for rape and 19% of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation or parole at the time of the offense for which they were in State prison in 1991.

Of the 9,691 male sex offenders released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, 5.3% were rearrested for a new sex crime within 3 years of release.

Of released sex offenders who allegedly committed another sex crime, 40% perpetrated the new offense within a year or less from their prison discharge.

So then you are for treatment and release of sex offenders. Did you read the above. If you follow your advice you are guaranteeing that a certain number of people will be molested by sex offenders released from prison. I believe that the people that let the sex offenders out of prison knowing these statistics should be held accountable.

No to mention that your method is SICK. You are guaranteeing the molestation of people, possibly children, by repeat offenders!

Originally posted by operation mindcrime

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Exactly and I freely think that justice was served in this case.


PEACE
Slay

Just like all the other sheeple standing in the crowd shouting for somebodies head.

Sorry, but aslong as i don't have the facts i'm staying home and reframe from shouting with the rest.

Peace

[edit on 31/5/2009 by operation mindcrime]

No one said you had the facts... Apparently the Saudis felt they had the facts...



If you knew the facts what would you do - probably go home and have a sandwich then rehabilitate the perpetrator so that they can be released to commit yet another crime?

Go to www.ojp.usdoj.gov... to read how many people are guaranteed to be re-convicted

There is no greater crime then sexually assaulting a child. Period. it's far worse then murder, stealing, treason, etc. This thread touches on the raw nerves, that have been exposed due to all of the child abuse cases in the news. That the Saudi's beheaded such a criminal deeply pleases us even though the rest of the Saudi culture does not--their treatment of women just to name one. One of the questions this raises is: Why are child molestors sent to jail for a few years and then released only to commit the crime again while murderers (including self defense and accidental death) may never see the light of day again? This happens again and again in the US to name but one country.

So are we hypocritical to want child molestors dead? Are we to be reprimanded for agreeing with this sentence this one time from such a stone age government? What is the answer?

Is it guilt that makes them kill the victims after such a horrible act? As if it's some strange way to try and delete what has just happened?

Ah well I'll never understand such behaviour..

[edit on 1-6-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by amazing
There is no greater crime then sexually assaulting a child. Period. it's far worse then murder, stealing, treason, etc. This thread touches on the raw nerves, that have been exposed due to all of the child abuse cases in the news. That the Saudi's beheaded such a criminal deeply pleases us even though the rest of the Saudi culture does not--their treatment of women just to name one. One of the questions this raises is: Why are child molestors sent to jail for a few years and then released only to commit the crime again while murderers (including self defense and accidental death) may never see the light of day again? This happens again and again in the US to name but one country.

So are we hypocritical to want child molestors dead? Are we to be reprimanded for agreeing with this sentence this one time from such a stone age government? What is the answer?

I think most are missing the point. Of course most people would tend to want to exact revenge in any way against a child molestor, especially one related to them. This is basic emotion/response. The real problem here is that most people had no idea SA does this all the time, no exceptions for the limbs of children caught stealing candy. At the same time, we stumble all over ourselves and have a president who is more and more appearing to be the AC, coming out and apologizing and bowing down to Muslims because we waterboarded some of the most vile, disgusting, immoral slugs to ever walk the earth. Seriously, I find this conversation more disturbing than most things I quit watching the news over yrs ago/. Saudi's. Muslims = peaceful. Christian, Americans = evil. Not even worth discussing. Opine all you like, basic human consciousness, morality and soul will allow those who posess these qualities to see through the Devils charade. Shame on all of you, yet I pray and hope for the best for you. Sad indeed.

You know, this thread could be re-posted at least a hundred times this year if the Saudi's keep up their usual level of executions.

Why is this one so special?

And the Saudi's were playing nice with the molester. They cut his head off BEFORE he was crucified. What if they had waited a few days before doing this?

I'm still in the middle. On one hand, I support hash penaltys against people like child molesters, rapists, murders. On the other hand I know that no country is infallible, so mistakes would be made. Either way we disregard part of our morals for simplicity's sake.

Shane

Originally posted by shamus78
You know, this thread could be re-posted at least a hundred times this year if the Saudi's keep up their usual level of executions.

Why is this one so special?

And the Saudi's were playing nice with the molester. They cut his head off BEFORE he was crucified. What if they had waited a few days before doing this?

I'm still in the middle. On one hand, I support hash penaltys against people like child molesters, rapists, murders. On the other hand I know that no country is infallible, so mistakes would be made. Either way we disregard part of our morals for simplicity's sake.

Shane

"We"? I believe if this were to happen in my country, USA, even once, the world outcry would be beyond belief. Please do not lump the rest of the world in to the way of allah and its followers. Why is not every beheading, limb cutting, etc.. not published regularly? At the same time, waterboarding murderers, who do so to innoocent men, women and children is paraded as appalling by the muslim world. Strange how news is skewed by the gov't and corporations in the name of profits and oil. It blows me away that 90% of our populace is so ignorant. Nothing personal. I wish you the best.

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
I find it disturbing that this forum is discussing the pro's and con's of a Saudi beheading of a child molester when 28 men have been executed in the USA so far this year. The last one on the 20th May.
Is a beheading with a sharp knife and cruxifiction of a dead body any worse than a painful lethal injection.
Is the American Judicial procedure 100% foolproof?
I have no fondness of the Saudi's because of their treatment of women and the fact that people can be executed for drinking alcohol, but that is their law, maybe us in the West should butt out until we have our own houses in order.

List of USA Executions this year.
www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...

Seriously, you are the enemy of what is proper and just. No execution is ok in m opinion, but the muslim way of peace is laughable. If not for oil, we would demolish them given their violent anti freedom-christianity agenda. If not for our money , for their oil, they would knife us in the back at first opp. Of course, if not for oil, their civilization would not exist as it is, other than some people roaming the desert in search of water. My countries politicians are just as ridiculous and something to be ashamed of. Yet if viewed on a level playing field, the saudis and any muslim country would b e viewed as 3rd world, with no real contributions to anything other than self interest and rhetoric. Yes, I think the Muslim faith is false and the beginning of the end. So be it. Cry all you want, no man can influence it. I pray for the best for all of you.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Apologies for missing your post... But as a reply to the above:

Our conscious morals are responsible for hardcore pornography, murder, sodomy, rape, serial killings, war, lies, hatred and much much more.

We are not perfect. So how does this raise us above an animal that raises its young that lacks our supposed morality, yet 100% delivers a secure lifestyle for the animal in question?

[edit on 31-5-2009 by mr-lizard]

I am truly sorry you can not see the difference btween the 2. My prayers are with you. Seriously, I wish you well. Please try to see the differnce between humans who choose to be animalistic and those who at least make an effort to be moral, conscious and human. Animals do not have this choice. We do. It is called free will. The choice is ours, I find it sad when people pretend as if is not. It is a difficult thing to be responsible for the life given to you. Humans were given forgiveness, animals never required it. Pretty simple. I humbly hope that you will at least consider my thoughts, not as fact, but at least as a spiritually mature, somewhat informed opinion. I wish you well.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
I just don't like how DEATH is people's answer to everything.

Give me one good LOGICAL reason to execute people when life in prison without parole is an option for the worst criminals.

Because it costs so damn much to keep people in jail.

We give nothing to the victims, but we put the perpetrator up in a house, feed them, cloth them, and let them watch TV. All the while the victim and their family has to pay through their taxes.

You would be amazed what it costs to house a prisoner. I know that a death row prisoner costs around $90,000 USD per year. Damn that is almost twice the median income in the US. How about killing the bastard and giving some of that money to the victims and their family.

No problem seseroy,

I have the ability to sit on the fence being neither in Saudi Arabia or America.

One advantage of being nicely hidden away is the ability to make easy suggestions of what to do in particular situations, when the fallout from those decisions would have little effect on my personal life.

I apologize, I should not had said 'we'. It was a personal opinion and I shouldn't have lumped in people that don't view it the same way. I can appreciate your views as well.

Cheers

Shane

Originally posted by clcreek

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
I just don't like how DEATH is people's answer to everything.

Give me one good LOGICAL reason to execute people when life in prison without parole is an option for the worst criminals.

Because it costs so damn much to keep people in jail.

We give nothing to the victims, but we put the perpetrator up in a house, feed them, cloth them, and let them watch TV. All the while the victim and their family has to pay through their taxes.

You would be amazed what it costs to house a prisoner. I know that a death row prisoner costs around $90,000 USD per year. Damn that is almost twice the median income in the US. How about killing the bastard and giving some of that money to the victims and their family.

All the money is wasted in Iraq anyway. Why does it matter? We just print the crap anyway. And murder victims do get a ton of sympathy, though unfortunately not from the justice system, however killing off the perps will not help them.

And I still don't think the guys caught on Dateline are worse than murderers like OJ Simpson, Hitler and Ted Bundy.

All the money is wasted in Iraq anyway. Why does it matter? We just print the crap anyway.

Hi,

Actually we don't just print money.

Have a look at Money As Debt on youtube, it explains how our banking system works and how money is actually created. I found it to be fascinating. It's a five part vid with a total running time of about an hour. I can't recommend it highly enough.

Here's the link:

Money As Debt Part One

Parts 2 - 5 are in the related videos window. It get really interesting later on.

Just used an external link rather then the youtube button.

Cheers

Shane

reply to post by clcreek


Though if it were an 11 year old girl, they would probably have ordered him to marry her. But in this case justice was likely adequate. (I say likely, since there's no way to tell the real details of the case.)

Originally posted by shamus78

All the money is wasted in Iraq anyway. Why does it matter? We just print the crap anyway.

Hi,

Actually we don't just print money.

Have a look at Money As Debt on youtube, it explains how our banking system works and how money is actually created. I found it to be fascinating. It's a five part vid with a total running time of about an hour. I can't recommend it highly enough.

Here's the link:

Money As Debt Part One

Parts 2 - 5 are in the related videos window. It get really interesting later on.

Just used an external link rather then the youtube button.

Cheers

Shane

But still we waste far more money in wars than we do in not executing criminals.

I am happy to foot the bill, not because I'm feeding scum, but because I'm preserving civility.