Saudis Behead, Crucify Convicted Child Molester, Murderer

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
People are funny!!!

So i guess the difference between a brutal murder or justice is the amount of people who support the act???

Yep, the difference between murder and killing is the law of the land...

I am flat amazed that anyone would come to the defense of a man that molests a child, kills the child, and then kills the child's father when he comes looking for his kid.

it always amazes me the number of critically thinking people on ATS who fail to grasp the difference between revenge and justice.

the guy was crucified after he was beheaded ffs, that was a totally pointless act of vengeance. capital punishment is always a pointless act of vengeance. such a waste.

i'm all for allowing the death penalty but i think it should only be allowed in a situation where, if it's found that a person was wrongly convicted and sentenced to death, the judge, the jury, the lawyers and the police involved in the investigation all get put to death as well. they would all be partially responsible for the murder of an innocent person and should be punished as severely as they punished.

i really don't think you'ld ever see a man put to death again.

Originally posted by clcreek

I am flat amazed that anyone would come to the defense of a man that molests a child, kills the child, and then kills the child's father when he comes looking for his kid.

Maybe He was having a bad hair day.
I think anybody who is a parent would find this totally appalling.
Being a sexual pervert is bad enough but then to murder not just once but twice.

There are no excuses!

Originally posted by clcreek
I am flat amazed that anyone would come to the defense of a man that molests a child, kills the child, and then kills the child's father when he comes looking for his kid.

very clever, if you morally disagree with the death sentence you must support child molesters, give me a break.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
This little piece of information...

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted of brutally slaying an 11-year-old boy and his father, the Interior Ministry announced.

According to the statement issued by the ministry Friday, shop owner Ahmed al-Anzi molested the boy and then strangled him with a length of rope. He then stabbed the boy's father to death when the man came looking for his son.

Is enough for the majority of ATS users to deceide wether or not justice was done here??

I thought ATS was a place of free-thinkers, intelligent objective people who only draw a conclusion when every other possibility has been eliminated and than still continue to question wether they have overlooked something.........but i guess eventully everything changes.

What a shame.....

Peace

Why don't you go find some evidence to support your theory that the child molester was framed.

Originally posted by clcreek
Why don't you go find some evidence to support your theory that the child molester was framed.

why don't you question why you were fed this story of a "just" beheading by fox news. do you know the back story behind any of the other freakshow beheadings that SA carried out this year? how about last year?

According to an Associated Press count, Friday's execution brought the number to 35 beheading this year in the kingdom. In 2008, 102 people were beheaded.

from you source.

how about all the other awful stuff SA does every year in the name of justice, na, you know nothing of that stuff.

conditioning americans isn't even hard anymore, is it? the rightwingers would take up sharia law in the morning if the big JC had endorsed it instead of that nasty mohamed.

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Originally posted by mr-lizard
He raped and sodomised a young child and then killed his father.

What? Give him a slap on the wrist?
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Now were did you get the information that he raped and sodomised this boy???

The way i read this article it is stated that he "molested" the child....

Molest:

1. to accost or attack someone, esp. a woman or child with the intention of assaulting her or him sexually
2. to disturb or injure, esp. by using or threatening violence

Which of those two was it?? Were is the evidence or did they just assume that he did this because of his prior conviction??
On what standards and norms was his previous conviction??
What does "molest" even mean in a country as Saudi Arabia??

Over the past couple of months i've heard a lot of positive voices about Saudi law system and the way they deal with "convicted" people.....
People who think it's an okay thing to trow stones at somebody untill they are dead because they were having an affair.

Maybe we should adopt Saudi law world wide, whatta you say???

Peace

Originally posted by pieman

Originally posted by clcreek
I am flat amazed that anyone would come to the defense of a man that molests a child, kills the child, and then kills the child's father when he comes looking for his kid.

very clever, if you morally disagree with the death sentence you must support child molesters, give me a break.

That is not where I was going, the comment was in reference to operation mindcrime's attempt to create a scenario where the murderers crime would have been justified.

But I do believe that anyone that would allow a sexual predator to walk the streets is guilty of any crime they will commit after being released. So any judge/jury that doesn't give a sexual preditor a life sentence or the death penalty is guilty and should be held accountable if the person does commit any crimes after their release. This would go hand in hand with your theory for the wrongly convicted.

Originally posted by clcreek
So any judge/jury that doesn't give a sexual preditor a life sentence or the death penalty is guilty and should be held accountable if the person does commit any crimes after their release. This would go hand in hand with your theory for the wrongly convicted.

not really, the difference is, i would give ask those people to take responsibility only for the act of taking a human life, there own actions. you want them to take responsibility for someone else's actions, thats just ridiculous.

so, this life sentence thing, is it your opinion that a person cannot be redeemed, cannot change at all? is this a general thing or is it only in the case of sexual crimes?

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Exactly and I freely think that justice was served in this case.


PEACE
Slay

Just like all the other sheeple standing in the crowd shouting for somebodies head.

Sorry, but aslong as i don't have the facts i'm staying home and reframe from shouting with the rest.

Peace

[edit on 31/5/2009 by operation mindcrime]

It's hard to feel empathy or remorse over the deaths of child molesters, murderers, abusers etc. If they are 100%, without doubt guilty; who cares if they lose their place in the sun? Swinging from a gibbet or simply put down? Mistreated children have a bearing on my work and I don't see why some people continue to draw breath. They create sad lives and have negative effects long after leaving this world. If they faced losing THEIR rights and a quick death, they'd probably be less corrosive to the rest of us in this world. I could write a list of a dozen men and women right now. Who'd give a rat's ass if they weren't here?

The problem for me and anyone else that's really considered the facts around death penalties is how often they get it wrong. The problem with Saudi justice in particular is it's often wrong. How many times have rape victims been publicly flogged? Justice can be politically motivated and driven by the media. These kind of problems need to be dealt with before death penalties become celebrated or supported.

The Innocence Project

Saudi rape victim sentenced to jail and flogging

How Many Innocent Inmates Are Executed?

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Why would i want to go and find evidence of a crime that took place half way around the world??

I have no interest in this but what i find funny about this whole thing is the fact that i can read a 100 page thread about an anomly caught on camera of which is claimed that it must be Planet X.
Every possible angle is looked at, every single pixel is scrutinized and all possibilities are looked at........

But when it comes to a 10-line article by "FOX news", about a crime that took place somewere on the other side of the world, everybody has his conclusion ready and everybody is crying for somebodies head!!!!

That's what i find funny....

(personal disclaimer: I have been known to provoke in threads like these not because i agree or disagree with what happened. But because i find it hilarious that people can jump to conclusions so freaking fast!!!)

Peace

slow internet connection makes for double posts.....sorry!!!

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Kill all child killers, end of story. Why should they have mercy when the child did not?

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
Just like all the other sheeple standing in the crowd shouting for somebodies head.

Sorry, but aslong as i don't have the facts i'm staying home and reframe from shouting with the rest.

Peace

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Maybe we should put a disclaimer in our posts which state that our opinion is only valid PRESUMING the article is truthful, will that do you?

Do you just pick and choose what you believe on a whim? How does it work? What's your system? If you don't believe ANYTHING you hear or read how do you have an opinion on things? Are you on the fence with absolutely everything you hear until you get absolute proof? Do you hire your own private detective to check these stories out and and then make an opinion?

Believing everything you hear is as extreme as believing nothing you hear, you are the latter. It's balance that is required, I don't mean sitting on the fence by that, there is a difference.

I'm not getting at you because I know what you're trying to say and your heart's in the right place, it's just that your philosophy is as closed minded as someone who believes 'everything' they hear.

Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Maybe we should put a disclaimer in our posts which state that our opinion is only valid PRESUMING the article is truthful, will that do you?

Nope, presumption is the mother of all......(you know the rest )
It is exactly the reason innocent people get put to death. I've seen to much of these jokers that claim to hold the truth get proven wrong afterward....

Do you just pick and choose what you believe on a whim? How does it work? What's your system? If you don't believe ANYTHING you hear or read how do you have an opinion on things? Are you on the fence with absolutely everything you hear until you get absolute proof? Do you hire your own private detective to check these stories out and and then make an opinion?

having an opinion and believing in things is something different than knowing the truth. How many here on ATS were at the hearing, saw the evidence and know all the facts to claim that the death of this man was justified?? I don't ,so i'll reframe from saying this was correct.

Believing everything you hear is as extreme as believing nothing you hear, you are the latter. It's balance that is required, I don't mean sitting on the fence by that, there is a difference.

Agreed, but we are not talking about what the weather is gonna be like tomorrow. We are talking about taking a man's life and wether this was an okay thing to do...!!!

I'm not getting at you because I know what you're trying to say and your heart's in the right place, it's just that your philosophy is as closed minded as someone who believes 'everything' they hear.

Tell me it will rain tomorrow and i'll believe you!!!

Peace

Five men were executed in Saudi this month, two had committed their crimes as minors.
As well as the abduction and abuse of children,some had been accused of theft and consumption of alcohol and drugs.
Why this molesters case has hit the headlines and not the exectution for drinking alcohol or crimes committed by minors puzzles me.

Here in the UK child abusers often reoffend, what should society do with them.. whatever we do I don't think we will ever get it right.

www.crin.org...

Beheading and cruxifiction is not unusual in Saudi, who last year exected on average two people a week.

In a country where women who are accused and punished for adultery after they have been raped. the execution of a child molester should be no surprise.

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How can you sit there when A CHILD has been TORTURED and MURDERED?

This just shows that humans do NOT care about other humans, and we deserve our planet to die.

Originally posted by clcreek
Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted of brutally slaying an 11-year-old boy and his father, the Interior Ministry announced.

Good for Saudi Arabia and good riddance to bad rubbish.

We should do the same here in the States...maybe a cleaner death, like hanging or firing squad. But the result is satisfying, no matter the mode.

State sanctioned executions for all child molesters and pedophiles!

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
Here in the UK child abusers often reoffend, what should society do with them.. whatever we do I don't think we will ever get it right.

I still believe this is backward thinking.......

Trying to solve what to do with certain groups in society that cannot act according to societies rules is only part of the solution. Figuring out were these twisted minds originated from and eliminating the source is the only way of solving this problem.

Just killing the ones that "defect" isn't gonna solve anything quick!!

It gets in the way of our prime evil urge to get revence but these people should be studied and learned from in order to know were we ,as a whole, failed.......

Peace