The Chemtrail Phenomenon

So, we're 11 pages into this thread, and I've yet to see anything of actual substance whatsoever, save for a few explanations of cloud formations.

I see rumour, photos and videos that prove nothing and a picture of an aircraft that has nothing to do with chemtrails at all. I see things presented and discussed as "fact" when actually none of it past theoretics.

So where is the substantiated, corroborated and tested evidence?

There is more proof of UFO's, with pilot sightings, radar and visual traces.

I am not skeptical of UFO's. I am skeptical of chemtrails, and nothing presented here is doing anything to change my mind at all.

Originally posted by Mindmelding
But likewise there is always tons of disinformation and outright lieing, which is par for the course in conspiracy theory.

There are more lies and obfuscation anything else.

See - a picture of a contrail does not make it a "chemtrail". It just makes it a picture of condensed water vapour.

A picture of iridescence via water droplets or ice crystals in the atmosphere is just that. There doesn't need to be anything else present to cause it. You can get the same effect shining light through a glass prism.

Likewise, putting pictures of aircraft up that have perfectly reasonable and legitimate purposes and explanations and claiming they are to do with chemtrails without knowing their real purpose is downright lieing and obfuscation, and relies on ignorace to perpetuate a myth.

And taking about "scalar technologies" like all the world understands what they are and they are a common thing - when actually its all theoretics - thats just obfuscation as well.

Those among us still using rosey glasses, or perhaps using the mad hat itself, will naturally disagree with us about chemtrails and other conspiracies.

Thats basically an insult. What you are saying is that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is either mad or not facing up to reality. Not going to fly with me.

Still, saying "I didn't see anything of substance" is not really adding anything of substance either as most people are not that interested in a subjective viewpoint on the subject and more on some nuggets of information that will help them make up their own mind.

But the "nuggets of information" have no substance. Its only opinion - see when you say;

As for me, I've seen chemtrails and know they're real. I know they're part of a bigger and historical conspiracy.

Then all you are doing is stating "I'm right and thats it". You are ignoring the science and the weather and aviation professionals and proclaiming yourself better than them, just because you can. Thats embracing ignorance, not denying it.

What I'm asking for here is fact. Not obfuscation.

You say you've seen these things. You say you can tell the difference. So tell us what you have seen, and tell us how you can tell the difference. But do it with science - because when you say this,

I do know something is very wrong above our heads and I'll tell it to whoever wants to listen.

If you don't, well, your loss.

...all you are doing is telling. You aren't substantiating.

I could tell you that Mars is actually made of red marzipan. Would you believe me? After all, I'll tell it to whoever wants to listen and if you don't, its your loss...