New russian CIWS - v.cool vid

Makes Phalanax look a bit girlie. Footage of new turret starts after abour 1/4 of the vid. Video click here

reply to post by planeman


nice.. any specs?

And they show the Typhoon here.. haha..

A week back, I saw the Typhoon being used as a fallible target for and F-35 promotion video, here on ATS.
I think think EADS should come out with their own video to counter its flagship product's continuous bashing by other competitors, geopolitically aligned or not!


Cool Russian IBM add at the end too

nice gat.
i wouldn't discount our cwis though.
when i was in the USN, we were out at sea doing some drills with a tow-behind jet drone.

it was tethered behind another jet on a long tether.
our CIWS locked onto the drone and started disassembling it from the rear of the craft all the way to the front. i was in the pilot house on the ship when we heard the pilot in the tow jet say "it locked onto the tow chain, i'm outta here!".

apparently it chewed its way up the drone and locked onto the chain and wanted to keep going.

it was awesome to get to see if light off live. one big buuuuuurrrrrpppp, then the horizon would just explode! super cool.

reply to post by planeman

What are you talking about,

it a direct copy of a phalanx.

When the us started deploying them the russians didnt even make a powered rotary cannon

Originally posted by punkinworks09
reply to post by planeman

 

What are you talking about, it a direct copy of a phalanx.

That is false and stupid comment. The Russian system works totaly different. the AK-630 is gas driven and the Phalanx is Electrical. The radar of the AK-630 is elsewhere on the ship to give it the cleanest best place to detect and gives AK-630 loads of freedom to shoot down enemy targets. Totaly different.

When the us started deploying them the russians didnt even make a powered rotary cannon

Stop spewing garbage...

The AK-630 was widely deployed in the 60's when the Phanlanx wasnt even on the drawing board.

AK-630 was designed in the 50's and deployed in the 60's.

The Phalanx was designed in the early 70's and deployed in the late 70's early 80's...

Check out the facts, then post.

Originally posted by James R. Hawkwood

Originally posted by punkinworks09
reply to post by planeman

 

What are you talking about, it a direct copy of a phalanx.

That is false and stupid comment. The Russian system works totaly different. the AK-630 is gas driven and the Phalanx is Electrical. The radar of the AK-630 is elsewhere on the ship to give it the cleanest best place to detect and gives AK-630 loads of freedom to shoot down enemy targets. Totaly different.

When the us started deploying them the russians didnt even make a powered rotary cannon

Stop spewing garbage...

The AK-630 was widely deployed in the 60's when the Phanlanx wasnt even on the drawing board.

AK-630 was designed in the 50's and deployed in the 60's.

The Phalanx was designed in the early 70's and deployed in the late 70's early 80's...

Check out the facts, then post.

Vicious little web hero. Before you begin to bash people maybe we should all check our facts?

"Design of the AK-630 (A-213) gun system started in 1963. The first prototype was made in 1964 and trials were conducted until 1966. The trials of the complete system with radar and controls went on until 1976 when the system was accepted for service. Production started in 1969 in Tula, with a modified AK-630M (A-213M) system accepted into service in 1979. These systems are the main close-in defense systems on modern Russian ships."

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Development
Having developed anti-ship missiles, the Soviet Navy was clearly aware of their lethality. During the late 1950s and early 1960s Soviet anti-missile defences were based upon a combination of conventional guns and electronic warfare equipment, but it was soon recognised that a more active defence was required. As the Soviet Navy adopted a policy of forward deployment for ASW, where ships would be more exposed to NATO anti-ship missiles, the need became more acute.Like their Western counterparts the Soviet Navy decided the most efficient means of countering missiles which had 'leaked' through the air defence missile screen was a radar-controlled gun with a high volume of fire. Development was authorised in July 1963 of a Gatling-principle system as the A-213 for installation in cruisers and destroyers. Development was protracted and testing did not begin until 1971 and it was not until 6 January 1976 that it was formally accepted into service with its radar fire-control system as AK-630-MR-123 but, as often happened in the Soviet Navy, the system hardware was installed in many ships before official acceptance. The first recipient of the AK-630 may have been the lead ship in the Kara class, the cruiser Nikolaev, commissioned in December 1971.

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Apparently your dates are incorrect. Again web information varies from site to site. Web heroes woe I understand.



The AK-630 is a Russian-made shipboard close-in weapon system (CIWS). The system is fitted on the Russian-built Sovremenny class missile destroyers which the PLA navy ordered in the late 1990s. China also purchased few of this systems to arm its Type 054 (Ma’anshan class) missile frigate.

Unlike the Type 730 CIWS, it is not a self contained unit, requiring external guidance either optically or by radar. The AK-630 CIWS onboard the Type 054 missile frigate is guided by its onboard Type 347G (Rice Lamp) I-band fire-control radar.

Calibre: 30mm X 6
Rate of fire: 3,000 rounds/min
Range: 3,000m
Elevation: -25/+85 degree
Traverse: 360 degree
Ammunitions: N/A
Fire-control: Electro-optical + radar

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This system is not a self contained system, thus requiring radar information from another radar system. The Phalanx has a self contained search and track radar. With this built in capability it has something called "CAC" Continuous Aim Correction. This allow for greater accuracy.

When you state it is gas powered and the Phalanx is Electrical are you referring to mount movement or the rotation of the the guns as they fire?

reply to post by punkinworks09


It was conceptualized before the Phalanx was, so it really isn't a copy.

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That is precisely why they spool out damn near 13000 foot of cable to tow the target with.


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this is the biggest load of BS I ever read . next time post facts , instead of rants and farts , which is typical of american intelligence , which is at the level of idiocy

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Thank you for lumping every single American into the nice tidy category of "Idiot."

I am glad you were able to actually bring information to the table on this one. Your facts and data were invaluable.

This site is for the exchange of information and facts, sometimes there is debate over the accuracy of information. As of late, it seems the site is a more "attack driven" site. People will come on to only attack people without any information to validate the attack. Why even attack? Why not just state that the person was incorrect and proved the correct data for them.

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Originally posted by Doom and GloomVicious little web hero. Before you begin to bash people maybe we should all check our facts?

Very funny. And I did check out my facts before posting sir.

Apparently your dates are incorrect. Again web information varies from site to site. Web heroes woe I understand.

It seems that your sources are giving up different dates then what Wikipedia states. But then again, Wiki is known for being sometimes unreliable. On the other hand, your sources sites seem a bit dated but they can still yield the truth.

When you state it is gas powered and the Phalanx is Electrical are you referring to mount movement or the rotation of the the guns as they fire?

I am reffering to the mechanism that spins up the cannon barrels and fires the rounds. Gas operated cannons are more reliable and you get your max fire rate on your first shot. That is vital when ASW weapons are closing in fast. (Think of hypersonic cruise missiles or high bisonic fighters with short range ASW rockets.)

I am reffering to the mechanism that spins up the cannon barrels and fires the rounds. Gas operated cannons are more reliable and you get your max fire rate on your first shot. That is vital when ASW weapons are closing in fast. (Think of hypersonic cruise missiles or high bisonic fighters with short range ASW rockets.)

That is what I thought you were referring to. The Gun body on the MK 15 Phalanx has had various changes over the years. The gun drive was never electrical. The block 0 design the gun was driven by hydraulics. With Hydraulics the rate of fire was only 3000 rounds per minute.

The Block 1 upgrade changed the gun drive to pneumatic (air) which increased the rate of fire to 4500 rounds per minute.

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The Phalanx has had many changes applied to it over the years. The introduction to the FLIR system makes it more viable to take out underwater mines, small craft. You can actually track a person if you are sitting at the pier.

Latest improvements incorporate the stand alone system into the over all combat suite of a ship. Thus making it able to receive target designations from other fire control systems on board such as the MK 23 Target Acquisition System (TAS).

This integration was already the primary set up for the RIM-116 missile system.

I know these things from first hand experience as I spent 7 years maintaining/operating these systems.


The AK-630 has 30 mm rounds (same as the A-10 Warthog "Tank Killer"). The gun will hold 2000 rounds. Has a rate of 5000 rpm.
With that rate of fire the drum is empty in a matter of seconds, the same with the MK 15.





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so I was wrong,
no need to get your panties all in a bunch.
I thoughtn i was reasonably familiar with soviet era cannons, but i WAS WRONG, so what.


I was familiar with 57mm s60's and the twin 23's, the single and twin 30's
the 76's and the twin 130 killers mounted on some ships, I just never noticed the rotary cannons.





[edit on 1-6-2009 by punkinworks09]

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom That is what I thought you were referring to. The Gun body on the MK 15 Phalanx has had various changes over the years. The gun drive was never electrical. The block 0 design the gun was driven by hydraulics. With Hydraulics the rate of fire was only 3000 rounds per minute.

The Block 1 upgrade changed the gun drive to pneumatic (air) which increased the rate of fire to 4500 rounds per minute.

Hmmmmm, I must have been confused with other types of miniguns. But thanks for the information.

I know these things from first hand experience as I spent 7 years maintaining/operating these systems.

That is why you came into this thread . Nice job sir, hope you have been a fine addition to the navy.

The AK-630 has 30 mm rounds (same as the A-10 Warthog "Tank Killer"). The gun will hold 2000 rounds. Has a rate of 5000 rpm.
With that rate of fire the drum is empty in a matter of seconds, the same with the MK 15.

Some models of the AK-630 carry more ammo but the weapon systems are meant for last ditch defence. If a plane or missile can get through your first lines of defence then those systems have failed partialy, so it is nice to have some backup.

reply to post by Daedalus3


АК630-М2 aka "Duet"

10,000 RPM Max

2 Modes.... 10k RPM and 5k RPM

Stealth design and coating...

AK630-M2 passed all tests and ready for production

Designed in five month...

thats what video says pretty much

Originally posted by James R. Hawkwood

When the us started deploying them the russians didnt even make a powered rotary cannon

Stop spewing garbage...

The AK-630 was widely deployed in the 60's when the Phanlanx wasnt even on the drawing board.

AK-630 was designed in the 50's and deployed in the 60's.

The Phalanx was designed in the early 70's and deployed in the late 70's early 80's...

True to a degree however it didn't wasn't accepted into service until 1976 and took another 3 years to iron out problems. So I guess it is safe to say it became operationally effective in 1979 with the AK-630M.
So only a year seperates the Phalanx(1980 - USS Coral Sea) and AK-630(1979).

Originally posted by rogue1True to a degree however it didn't wasn't accepted into service until 1976 and took another 3 years to iron out problems. So I guess it is safe to say it became operationally effective in 1979 with the AK-630M.
So only a year seperates the Phalanx(1980 - USS Coral Sea) and AK-630(1979).

It still doesnt change the fact that the AK-630 is NOT a copy of the Phalanx system.

But is it true that Phalanx is getting replaced by the SEA RAM system?

If yes, then its a bit risky. USA should go for a modernised Goalkeeper with 2 Gau's with AESA or Active PESA radar in a stealth tower.

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not all phalanx will be replaced (in the us navy that is) - in fact , not as many as ppl think will be - since all the present pahalanx are being upgraded to enchanced block 1B


www.defenseindustrydaily.com...

and

As of March 2000, RAM Block I has been installed on two '___' class ships and is pending installation on two '___' 41 class ships, LHD 7, and CVN 76. Navy installation plans call for Block I installations or upgrades on 8 '___' 41/49, 3 DD 963, 12 CV/CVN, 7 LHD, and 12 LPD 17 (new construction) ships between 2001 and 2006. Though not yet funded, the Navy also plans to install RAM Block I upgrades on all five LHA class ships during fiscal year 2007

www.globalsecurity.org...

the smaller ships arn`t getting it

I read on another thread some time ago that the nick-name for Phalanx in the Royal Navy was "The abandon ship alarm".

Originally posted by Kombatt98
this is the biggest load of BS I ever read . next time post facts , instead of rants and farts , which is typical of american intelligence , which is at the level of idiocy

Wow, thanks for insulting the entire American nation because you disagree with one American's opinion of a weapon system !!

(I actually think we do quite well for idiots, or do you have a flag on the Moon too?)

As for Phalanx, it was always too small in caliber and turned off whenever it was needed. Small agile missiles appear to be the way forward.