Craig T. Nelson: I won’t pay taxes until my government starts listening to me!!

With the attempted extinction of the middle class, I feel that the PTB has already set themselves up so that should there be the global food shortage or civil unrest, both or worse,

They have for a long time now looted enough to wait out any coming revolt or breakdown in society/economy.

As masses starve or are "rounded up", both ot worse,

They can wait it out in fortified exclusive areas and watch their dream of depopulation slowly unfold.

How many times in historical accounts have attacks been successful just by blockading supply routes and literally waiting out a resistance until they are starved to death?

Without researching a tally, I'm sure it has been effective and used methodically by many regimes.

Taxes being vountary by the law of the land is enforced by the de facto corporate United States using tactics akin to those mafia stories we have all heard, ficticious or not, and I can only conclude that by and through coercion, threats, fear, courts with no jurisdiction and strong arm tactics,
we are litterally forced to comply or face imprisonment.

On another note, I feel that in certain cases, by not filing federal taxes, is a great way of actively helping the government, although they are performing above their lawful capacities.

How could this help?

Well I know that with child credits, erned income credits, if you fall into the required qualifications, one could expect a refund of $3000 or more dollars.

Should you not file, this leaves those funds intact for Government to apply to the derivative payouts or whatever.

Of course, this may not be true wither since the collections go to the Global bankers and not to our country.

I believe it should still help in any event.

And back on topic,
I strongly agree that to continue to pay these unconstitutional taxes knowing that Congres has continually voted to spend our monies against the overwhelming objections of constituants is nothing less that usurping power and criminal.

This was a true example of the need to hold these representatives and looting firms accountable.

When our attempts a redress fall on deaf ears more concerned with catering to the Corporate entities than to real persons, there is no more advantage or reason to continue with letters and talk.

Those who have disregarded their oaths and are holding hostage their constituants and continue to ignore petition after petition to abide by the wishes of their constituants and redress, need to be removed from their positions, forcefully if required.

And should that be the real only recourse, any attempts to label us as vigilantes, or whatever and stop it, whether military or other means, are also commiting treason.

To swear an oath to uphold the constitution, to defend our sovergnty from all undermining our country, foreign or domestic, and to follow orders contrarily, are commiting an offense against the 10th amendment and other true law of the land.

We are being "chumped", as put by one rep. during questioning of KashKari, and to allow this to continue, is to surrender with nary a fight.

I say we need all states to pass laws on all issues that are voted aye against our wishes such as Montana's new state gun law.

There are so many issues where a federal officer can come to any state and take one of the states citizens or their personal properties it is insane.

Should the states grow some balls and let these federal enforcers know that they themselves will be arrested if they come into a sovergn state and attempt to mess with one of their citizens, then we can begin to heal.

Our states are way more able to legislate law than those in Washington, as is obvious by reviewing the performances of these electorates we send there and screw us like a bad infomercial tool.

I would even dare say that most grade school students are more responsible and have more integrity than some of those in the Washington greed factory.

Our leaders and lawmakers are becoming ever more caustic, and they need to embrace reality, one way or another.

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This is not a new strategy, at least in oregon. they always cut back on services that will hurt actual people the most and reserve their pet projects. it's always worked. we pass higher taxes eventually to get back to where they were. I remember getting into an argument once with a woman who was urging me to vote for a special library levy (they always cut back on the library). She said we have to show them how important the library is by voting fo this, so in the future they will fund it properly. we've had special library levies forever. the only thing they learned is that things we really care about we'll pass extra funding for. what we need is a reset button. we the people have to agree to fund programs. we say what comes first instead of task forces and consultant groups and such.

Coach! hell yeah. way to go...

now he can expect a full audit. i bet the IRS is on the case as we speak.

it is easy to not file taxes if your are self employed, a subcontractor, or own your own business. (unless you have an annoying accountant that hawks over every cent you take in.)

movie actors subcontract. they can deposit all income into the bank and are responsible for paying their own taxes. some may have taxes witheld by thier contractor (depending on the contract), most probably have private attorneys / accountants that cook the books for them.













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[edit on 29/5/2009 by gravykraken]

great find and it's very reassuring that more and more public figures in the US are finally waking up and speaking out.

It's such a shame we are not at the same stage in the UK.

I don't know this presenter but my opinion of him plummeted after seeing another video of him sucking up to sarah palin

S&F

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You are correct I am afraid.

I am not sure now if this will catch on to a level that will make it large enough to not easily squash by sending a few dozen people to prison for three or so years to set an example.

Tax cheats are still frowned upon my most. So this tactic is bound to fail.

I have had another idea from a long time ago. I originally formed the idea to show people how the government WANTS and NEEDS the people to break the rules.

I think a movement to simply follow the rules/laws would be amazing in reach. Both in people that would join as well as the effect.

If you think about all the revenue generated by fines. From parking infractions, traffic, penalties for not paying things on time. Whatever.

It is huge and could effectively take down the local government from the bottom up.

One example of this are red light cameras that were installed in my old area. Within a year, they pulled in three million dollars. The result of that was to quadruple the number of cameras and even speed up the amount of time the lights stayed yellow, or progressed to red. This was obviously a scam and created a dangerous situation since people that were used to longer lights.

I would make it clear that such a tactic is not to overthrow the government but to force the states to really stand up for the citizens of that state. But, if not taken seriously, that would be the end result.

I am sure many volunteers would gladly take the place of paid officials. I know I would.

As you said imd12c4funn, and you are very correct, if the officials from your state start to tell the Feds that they will not stand for the abuse of their citizens. To the point that they will arrest such Fed Agents, then we have a chance.

Listen to the Oath Keeper Sheriff. He is absolutely right and an inspiration for other Sheriffs to follow. Maybe he could and join such a movement.

Originally posted by Hemisphere
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Commiefornians continued to vote in the same spend on nonsense liberals. This is what they voted in. The entire country is in the same boat now with the Obamination. Our republic was stolen by the controllers. They have owned both major parties for decades and have made it prohibitive for others to compete.
Commiefornia today, the USSA tomorrow.

You are correct when you say it's both parties. The elite power people control both sides. they pull the strings, and both sides dance. How else can thay control everything.? The only thing they can't stop is a voter refferendum. voters need to clean the slate , and start over. The unions in Ca control a lot. Untill the have some power stripped away, not much is going to change. It will be difficult.

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Haha, look at Glenn Beck, what a tool!
2nd line.

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A lot of corporations and wealthy elites already do not pay taxes. They can evade taxes without any confrontation while the middle class has the pay for them.

I love his idea and if I was one of the wealthy people in this country that paid into taxes, it would be a viable option for me. Unfortunately I am not one of those people. I work, I get a paycheck once a week and my taxes are already taken out. I do not live in some fairytale world where I "pay" my taxes. My Taxes are taken from me before I ever receive any of the money I worked all week to earn.

That being said, we the people are being taxed to death and are not represented by our own government. They continue to occupy far away lands against the will of the people and with no choice of our own, we fund it. Congress and Senate continue to give themselves raises, and we fund it. We the people fund everything in this country, as well as other countries, yet the will of the people is not given any real representation at all. Only one word pops into my head....revolution.

Sadly most people do not know history. The masses do not realize that the Revolutionary War was not a war against England. It was not a war to "gain our independence" it was actually a war over TAXES!

The tyrannical moves by this government over the last thirty years has gotten out of hand. It is our fault, the people of this great land that we got this way. We were apathetic to the powers an unchecked government could take for itself.

We were warned to be vigilant by our founding fathers, wary of tyranny and oppression. We forgot their warning and see the mess we are in today for not heeding histories words?

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Again we come full circle, again the cry goes forth. "No Taxation without representation" Again to cry against oppressive taxes unjustly levied we rise up in protest. Again the cycle of history confounds us and abruptly comes around to the point we were a scant 240 years ago.

I ask you fellow Americans who of you are going to ride in Paul Revere's trail, warning the patriots:

One if by land, two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm
Through every Middlesex, village and farm,
For the country folk to be up and to arm.

On the threshold of revolution, have the people of the United States seen enough horror out of their government to finally realize that it truly is a noble cause to rise up and say in a loud and distinct voice...

Give me Liberty or give me Death.

Isn't it much better to live and die free? Do we as patriots see that the trampling should be done by we against tyranny? Do we die in our boots as gears in a cog? Or do we march those boots to those that would enslave us and oppress us and demand our freedom?

Our founding fathers wouldn't stand for this. Do we dishonor them by accepting what they fought and died to free us from?

i just need someone to post the statute that allows the government to collect income taxes. there are colleges out there offering big rewards for that info.
i asked for it in the san antonio office,and was told they didn't have it.
and was promptly thrown out,and now i am being punished for my inquiry with a lien on my social security,for an amount that would not be taxable.

this is the second lien because they took my 2003 return and didnt bother to file it.
they sent the correspondence to an address i haven't lived at for 10 years.
soc sec disability is my only income,and the way i found out about this was when they tookmy money.i can barely live on whay they pay,and they told mr they didnt care. and i really can't work with the disability i have.
i got a copy of the 2003 return and refiled it,and you'll never guess!!!!!
it had my current address on it

the scam they're pulling now is that if you take deductions,like a contractor or the like ,is they're going back to 2002 and auditing you,on the premise that you may not have the receipts.
this is happening to my mother,and 2 other friends of mine.
what do these creatures of the night think is gonna happen when we no longer have anything to lose??? i agree wit Coach.
so watch out,this rogue collection agency is pulling out all the stops.

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WOW alot of interest I agree with quite a few things you all have been saying and its good to see people are starting to contemplatea real way in which we can send a message to the government peace and love, im off out with the dog

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Originally posted by Spectre0o0
i just need someone to post the statute that allows the government to collect income taxes. there are colleges out there offering big rewards for that info.

Article I, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

www.law.cornell.edu...

Good for the Coach!

I started this thread a while back, along similar lines...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Since I'm a one-man band, I just got back the standard 'thank you for your thoughts' letters that some flunky in the mailroom sends out as a response.

Are there any openings left in Obama's cabinet?

Or maybe he is pushing for an Ambassador position?

What do the people do when law and order (police, firefighters...) are cut down irresponsibly. They call for someone else to fill the vacuum.

And if there are no civil law enforcement to fill the gap??...

...the same guys that maintains law and order in Iraq??? I wish you all good luck !!!

Originally posted by Skallagrimsson
What do the people do when law and order (police, firefighters...) are cut down irresponsibly. They call for someone else to fill the vacuum.

And if there are no civil law enforcement to fill the gap??...

...the same guys that maintains law and order in Iraq??? I wish you all good luck !!!

I have never needed police, fire, or ambulance in my entire life.

The one time I did use (not need) an ambulance, it cost me $800 to go less than five miles. I should have walked.

Many fire departments are volunteer. There is no reason why this could not be done by police departments as well.

I think that most neighborhoods that are not predominantly composed of "Takers" would be glad to exchange their time rather than their dollar.

Originally posted by billybobh3
Since I'm a one-man band, I just got back the standard 'thank you for your thoughts' letters that some flunky in the mailroom sends out as a response.

I got the same type form letter responses from my senators while complaining about the TARP deficit spending. They had the nerve to send back responses saying they were pleased to have my support for the deficit spending plans and thanked me for my interest. They also had the nerve to brag about the funds our state would receive from this while describing the meshugana projects the funds were being diverted to. This included a landlocked town building a "port museum". WTF!?!?

billybobh3, check your U2U messages. Thanks!

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I also do not understand why our government cuts our very necessities. How about this - the U.S. in the past would send Africa 15 billion $ per year for Aids disease. Bush (who I am now ashamed of for various reasons) about 2 years ago upped the support to 48 billion per year. Does anyone here think that the Africans do not know what causes AIDS . Can you believe the amount of debt our government puts us in everyday? Our government is broken and can't be fixed by the democrats or the republicans. They are just two gangs fighting over the same turff. Once in power it is thier turn to reap the profits.

Originally posted by Dukesy
Does anyone here think that the Africans do not know what causes AIDS

.

Well, South Africa did elect a guy who went around claiming showering would prevent AIDS. The same guy also said he was doing women a favor by raping them because he was just such a great guy. gayrights.change.org...

Then there's the whole "sex with a virgin will cure AIDS" crap that's leading to all sorts of horrible child rapes across the continent. Little girls are dragged from their beds and raped not only physically and emotionally scarred for life but cast out by their families for no longer being "clean" and subsequently having no more value. www.scienceinafrica.co.za...

All that aside, I don't approve of dumping billions of dollars down the Africa toilet.