How would skeptics fake a plane crash scene?

Hey there Skeptics. Say you were hired to fake a large plane crashing into this field during a fake terrorist attack against the country.



What would you do to make it look like a large plane crashed in that field?

What story would you give to why the plane crashed?

What percentage of passengers would you say was on the plane?

What percentages of the plane and passenger remains would you say was recovered?

Who would you have do the cleanup?

What other things would you do to help cover it up?

[edit on 29-5-2009 by ATH911]

Oh, that is easy! Just take an account of what they did on 9/11 for the Pentagon, and follow what they did. No remaining plane parts, no bodies, no nothing. It all burned up!

I'd probably start by outlining an area with rope that looks like well, you know the scene at Shanksville... a small crashed airplane... except I would have made it bigger than they did it, to actually match the rough dimensions of a 757...

Then I'd strew some miscellaneous parts from the junkyard nearby in and around the site...

And then take some jet fuel (seeing as that is in a real plane), and carefully pour it inside the rope markings....just enough to burn for a bit...

Then I'd walk over to the tree line beyond it and soak down the trees real good with the same fuel...

Then I'd remove the rope...light the jet fuel...and then light the trees...

Voila! Instant, stupid, amateur, never-to-be-believed crash scene...

And then well, of course I'd have to make sure and get one of guys at the CIA to produce a fake puff of smoke on an old picture just for the press ya know...

And Wally the coroner, well, he was easy...A little national security letter, a million or two, and hey hey, no problem changing THAT story! They might have even Jewed him down to 50 thousand or so... oops sorry for the Jewish reference there...

and then... heh, I think I am done here... never mind...

well, not as easy as it sounds. smoke plume, avtag smell, a JCB D5hd with scarifier, to roughen ground. debri brought from a bone yard, some human parts scavenged from a mortuary, how to get flight box, dunno destroyed in crash ?.
it was hijacked by a student who was accredited pilot veteran on battlefield 2. !!!. the cleanup squad would consist off Mcdonald employees, (none to bright and easy to manipulate) lol,
well i,ll say more later as this thread continues.

I would take a military jet and down the first available passenger jet. If none are in the area I'd let flight control direct one over the field.
The only problem would be 2 debris sites. The first would be where the missile hit, the second where the plane crashed.

Why oh why would you try to fake a crash site when you can (much easier) crash a real plane there. Even an empty remote controlled airplane would be so much easier then dragging parts from a boneyard, bodies from the morgue all without being seen.

i would put a plane there missing a bunch of things like wings and maybe broken in half, maybe a bunch of pieces. Maybe just actually crash a plane there remotely. i would atleast put a body and a rogue seat laying somewhere.

I started a thread last night about the eminent domain case on this crash site, and a fellow posted saying the military showed up and took tonnes of dirt to make sure no one tested the ground for residue. that would be a good way to cover up.

[edit on 29-5-2009 by Myendica]

reply to post by Dorfl


Excellent, Star for you. Best response so far.

Why fake the crash when you have a real airliner full of people just waiting to get shotdown by the air force? Faking a crash is entirely too conmplicated, and involves too many extras.

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I agree. This is the simplest route. And if no humans are needed (all bodies were pulverized into paste and cooked into a nice soufle on impact), then a remote controlled scrapper jet. Plenty of those out there.

Course, it would be just as easy to launch some med explosive missles into the ground then rope off a 1/2 mile circumfrance, bring in trucks full of parts, set them on the ground, take pics, load the parts up (saying you collected them from the site, of course), and drive off. Again, no bodies due to the souffle theory mentioned above.

Originally posted by Dorfl
Why oh why would you try to fake a crash site when you can (much easier) crash a real plane there.

That's not what this thread is about.

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by Dorfl
Why oh why would you try to fake a crash site when you can (much easier) crash a real plane there.

That's not what this thread is about.

That's exactly what this thread is about. You asked people how they would "fake" a plane crash. And they replied. Many of us would use the real thing. Much simpler.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_ElfThat's exactly what this thread is about. You asked people how they would "fake" a plane crash. And they replied. Many of us would use the real thing. Much simpler.

How can you crash a plane and have a fake plane crash?

You find an abandoned strip mine roughtly the size of a plane.

Then you tell everyone that the soil was sooooooo very loose and the impact so tremendous that the ground completely swallowed the aircraft, all debris, people etc.

Don't forget to explode a small explosive in the hole.

Then........you make up a whole new branch of physics and character assassinate anyone who disagrees with your 'findings.'

Amend as necessary as your story falls apart from rational arguement, logic, pure physics, and common sense.

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_ElfThat's exactly what this thread is about. You asked people how they would "fake" a plane crash. And they replied. Many of us would use the real thing. Much simpler.

How can you crash a plane and have a fake plane crash?

You just answered your own question.

reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

I don't get it.

Explain.

reply to post by ATH911


Well, to your credit ATH, we are kind of playing fast and loose with the wording. Technically, crashing a remote controlled 737 into a field is "faking" a plane crash, since it is not a fully loaded passenger jet that crashed with all hands on board. It is a staged crash. That is what we mean.

Honestly. if I had to make people believe a plane crashed due to a terrorist attack or whatever, I would crash a drone plane full of cadavers. Why bother makeing a fake crash site when a real crash site of a fake flight would be so much more convincing.

Obvious that the skeptics are afraid to actually address the topic but instead twist it so they don't have to answer.

The topic is how would you stage a scene to make it look like a plane actually crashed there?

I was not trying to weasel out of a straight answer. The simplest way to fake a crash is a controlled plane crash.
But if you insist on doing it the hard way:

What would you do to make it look like a large plane crashed in that field?
First of all I would use explosives to 'prepare' the impact-site. The explosives would be placed in containers with jet fuel.
Then I would take the debris of a real crashed plane an scatter them in roughly the same pattern as the original recovery-site of that plane.
Finally, to distract attention, I would make it look like the plane crashed on top of a car, truck or tractor. Killing the (locally known) occupant and owner of the crash-site grounds. This way you give the MSM something to focus on and make it just a little bit extra tragic. Also it helps later on in the exercise if the land-owner is dead...any locals that witnessed preparations will automatically know what happens to those that talk.

What story would you give to why the plane crashed?
Failure of critical sensors (altimeter and/or speed).

What percentage of passengers would you say was on the plane?
Depends on what you want to accomplish. Preferably I would say it was a cargo-plane with an undisclosed cargo. That would have most people here on ATS, and other conspiracy sites, focusing on the cargo instead of the crash itself.

What percentages of the plane and passenger remains would you say was recovered?
Using a cargo plane I would only have to account for the crew. I would probably say they are pilot-pâté, and can only be identified by their DNA. Not using a passenger jet would also mean I have nothing to fear of any relatives of 'victims'.

Who would you have do the cleanup?
I would make no special provisions. Just the normal road-kill clean-up crew.

What other things would you do to help cover it up?
As little as possible. Cover ups tend to be exposed over time. I would provide distractions in the staging of the crash, but nothing more.

But now please answer me this: Why would you stage a plane crash? And why would you want to do it 'the hard way'?