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North Korea once again had their 15 minutes of fame. This happens about once a year. Don't worry about it, ignore the 5 yr old child and we'll be alright.

GorehoundLarry , You're probably correct on that.

Every year NK likes to display this crap just for the world to keep in mind that they are some sort of super power.

reply to post by Vitchilo


And if Japan did that they risk NK unleashing a volley of hardware all over the 10 million citizens of Seoul.

They also risk tensions with Russia and China, who, at the moment at least, haven't made clear where their loyalties lie.

And if Japan did that they risk NK unleashing a volley of hardware all over the 10 million citizens of Seoul.

NK striking Seoul, their compatriots, because Japan, their enemies attacked them? It would be more likely that SK would condemn the japanese attack than NK attacking Seoul.

reply to post by DohBama


Don't worry, Barry has both Bush's, Cheney and Rumsfield on speed dial, he'll just pick one of them to ask what to do. Probably not wise to go with Clinton, we'd end up missing and hitting a school in Taiwan instead or an American Embassy somewhere not even close to the intended target and at the same time send them secrets and materials to build more advanced rockets. So while Obama is making sure he keeps it real for his photo ops, he can relie on others (puppet masters?) to make all the decisions.

I did notice that in the headlines of my home page, I was almost shocked, but almost. Let's put the focus on other things instead of a possible nuclear showdown. I doubt anything is going to happen though, Kimmy over there is having a little tantrum and wants the world to pay attention to him again. Plus he is testing our current commander in chief and the world is watching. He wouldn't pull this with George W, he would have pushed to see if Kim was bluffing. I will say it is a good time to test us, our economy is not at it's best, the country is war weary.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

And if Japan did that they risk NK unleashing a volley of hardware all over the 10 million citizens of Seoul.

NK striking Seoul, their compatriots, because Japan, their enemies attacked them? It would be more likely that SK would condemn the japanese attack than NK attacking Seoul.

You haven't noticed the 10.000 strong artillery all along the border and all aimed at Seoul then?

This has been their bargaining chip for decades.

NK views the South as an enemy. Not as a compatriot. Hence the Korean war. Hence the Armistice recently reneged.

So for all the people saying obama is weak because he's worried about cyber security, do you plan on slamming him for being a warhawk when he does attack NK? Maybe he's ignoring NK because they want the attention. They're attempting to get his attention so they can be in the limelight and get what they want. He's like no. And a nuclear showdown?? The guys detonated two nukes underground. I'd like to see him find a delivery method, because I'm pretty sure that even if he does have a bomber, its not going very far, and he doesnt have a warhead big enough to fit on their great ballistic missiles.

All he's doing is trying to get attention, and IMO by ignoring them and letting the military leaders take care of the situation hes doing the right thing.

NK views the South as an enemy. Not as a compatriot. Hence the Korean war. Hence the Armistice recently reneged.

That's what their medias are saying... NK view SK people as an ally. They want reunification. They just see the SK government, the US and Japan as ennemies.

But of course SK won't lay down to be under a dictatorship like NK.

So yeah basically, they are ennemies. But if SK would accept reunification under Kim Jong Il, they wouldn't kill all South Koreans like enemies would do to each other.

You haven't noticed the 10.000 strong artillery all along the border and all aimed at Seoul then?

I know all about it. And it's more like 13.000.. anyway, I wouldn't see NK attacking Seoul because of Japan.

This whole situation is a mess.

reply to post by truttseeker


A nuclear weapon can be delivered in a truck, a train or a boat. I find no comfort in saying that North Korea can't deliver a nuclear strike on anyone because they don't have appropriate missiles or bombers. How did the warhead they tested get to the test site? Hmm - I bet they hauled it in a truck.

So a truck is going to cross the DMZ, or gonna get across the maritime border? By that logic the most damage NK could do drive their nuke upto the DMZ and kill a lot of their people along with a lot of our people. NK DOES NOT have a viable way to get a nuke anywhere of importance. I mean it would have to be a monster of a truck to, because that thing isnt going to be small, were talking about primitive nuclear warheads here.

reply to post by Vitchilo


The N. Korean people may want reunification with the S. Korean people but not under the S. Korean government. There's NO WAY that the S. Korean people want reunification under the N. Korean government. Would you? It's easy to say they want reunification. In practical terms they really don't.

reply to post by truttseeker


Hmm... if I remember correctly, the 3rd tunnel of aggression was only like 40 km's north of Seoul. That's a bit too close for comfort if you'd ask me. Even if they can't fit a nuclear warhead on a missile, they can ship it through underground tunnels and they seem to have a few of those.

reply to post by truttseeker


I think anyone clever enough to build even a primitive nuclear weapon could figure out a way to smuggle it pretty much anywhere they wanted to. Even a country as isolated as North Korea is has to trade with somebody somewhere. Don't they have any ships that could sail into a South Korean or Japanese harbor under a flag of truce because they want to defect?

I'm just trying to think "outside the box." If you are correct and North Korea really can't deliver a weapon anywhere by any means, we are all a little safer.

Originally posted by DohBama

Originally posted by AllexxisF1
No there is no confusion about this. North Korea threatened to pull the armistice. They have not pulled it nor announced that they have. Because they would have to go to the U.N. and make their declaration heard officially.

Ahem:

Fears have increased of military skirmishes, particularly in disputed waters off the western coast, after North Korea conducted the nuclear test on Monday and then renounced the truce that has kept peace between the Koreas since the Korean War ended in 1953.

I feel safer already:

"I don't think that anybody in the (Obama) administration thinks there is a crisis," Gates told reporters aboard his military jet early Friday.

NKorea test-fires missile, slams Security Council


Yep, we're in very good hands... luckily we elected the most experienced, accomplished and unapologetically American president in history!

Errrr... um... hmmm...

D'Oh!

They only do what the fans tell them to en mass. But really they are letting US demand action that they are going to do anyway.

Problem: We need to unload Il' Kim Nodong, the master of Pong and all that is wrong. Let's let him wind his wabbit a little till people are scared.
Reaction: Off with his head! He's going to drop superatomic war stuff on us all! He must be stopped at once! (elites smile brightly, knowing.)
Solution: Good! Our government listened to us and is now killing the NK's! Yayyyyyyy! (elites smile brightly, knowing the amount of molybdenum, iron reserves and, most importnatly, CHEAP SLAVE LABOR they and china are about to inherit... After all Chinese workers are starting to DEMAND MORE!)

reply to post by Vitchilo


Riiiight...
So a dictatorship which is happy to see it's existing people suffering and starving wants to just get back together with its old Southern partners?

For what?

If they are so happy to ignore the plight of their own people, why would they care about the people over the border?
They want that land. They want what they have denied themselves through ignorance and arrogance. If NK gained control of SK, they'd still impose their will and dictatorship, but they'd finally have access to everything they crave, and everything they need for increased military might against Japan.

They know their system isn't working, and they know that aid and help from the international community isn't doing much. What's the point in being a dictator of there's no one left alive to control?
It is a failed nation full of desperate and starving people, and they all eye SK jealously. If they had the chance, they'd be in there tomorrow gorging on the luxuries they've denied themselves, all while proclaiming that their political system is perfect and righteous.

If Japan does attack to prevent the launch of another missile, NK could retaliate. I'd bet they'd fire one rocket at Seoul, and state that if another move was made they'd continue.

They are acting irrationally, and with more severity than previously.
We don't know who is in control of the country, and even they don't seem to know what they are doing from one day to the next.

I don't believe this is all for show. They could have stopped at the nuclear test and awaited a response. They know that the US and UN is simply going to add sanctions and demand that they return to talks, clearly this is not acceptable to NK, so what else are they hoping for?
Do they really think the UN is going to give in and say "ok, we'll lift all sanctions, please will you come and sit at the table?"

Not going to happen.

They walked away from the talks, the international community was going by the book and happy to finally be talking, and NK walked out.

Thats what pisses NK off is the fact that SK joined the PSI is that they cant send off their warhead on a ship. Someone would catch it. NK nukes are for show IMO, just to be like yeah we can attack back, but in reality they dont have an effective nuclear capability. I think youll see some naval skirmishes, but NK isnt going to nuke anyone.

reply to post by DohBama


I'm sorry but so far all we know is the Military apparently sent word to the North Korean news agency that they will not be abiding by the truce settlement.

The military does not run the government, so until Kim Jong Il comes forth and declares it himself or whomever in the civilian leadership than I am not believing it.

Sorry but when it comes to facts, I don't trust something second hand from the radio. I want to see the bloke on tv or in a letter make his declaration.

*If they did tear up the truce, than in effect both sides can begin shooting each other at will with no recourse from the international community.

I THINK ITS TIME TO CALL the North Korean's out. If Kim il dong, wants to run his gator and threaten SoKo, the United states and anyone else who gets in their way lets call them out. Step up and be a baddarse then. getting sick of the story, and tired of watching the World sit by watching this idiot shoots missiles in every degree of the compass and blow up nukes all in the while flailing their arms around threatening the World. WTF is that crap? Call him out.

Not to mention tired of reading people flaming each other in thinking they understand what the most secretive regime in the World is doing, and what they have weapon wise. The press has no clue and if the US military knows I be danged if they would tell the press anyway. Another thing, the military does not anounce to the press when they change DEFCON levels. That would defeat the purpose of DEFCON.. SHEESH.. Oh and another thing, the defcon levels can change for more then just one branch of the military, one branch can have different levels at anytime.

Lets get back to the news..


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Latest Intel:

Satellite spots activity at North Korean missile site, officals say. Activity the same from the april long range missile launch.

*damn* wish I could have access to live sat feeds

Well considering I'm in the navy, and live on a pretty big naval base, and am also next to a heavy airlift squadron, we would have heard if the defcon changed. We would definitely know if it changed, because it is a big deal.