'Apollyon Rising 2012' -The Final Mystery Of The Great Seal Revealed.

There is many...so so many theroies, of what is going to happen in 2012 its getting rather funny.
the main 4 are

1.we all die
2.a spirtual awakening
3.aliens come back to visit
4.nothing

lets indulge ourselves into each subject and ask ourselves WHY?

| | | 1.WE ALL DIE.

well lets face it, humans are literally the pu**y's of the animal planet. EVERYTHING, we literally look at EVERYTHING, and for some reason we "FEAR IT". We for some reason have to figure it out, KNOW IT, understand it, and then manipulate it, making our ego's inside feel as if we are god.
If we dont understand something, CANT make sense of it, and are "in the dark", then we dismiss it as evil, and something harmful towards us, our species, and as a whole.
This is true on almost every level.
"this women knows about medicine, HE MUST BE A WITCH!!!"

"how dare you say he earth is round, KILL HIM!"

just a couple examples of a humans ignorance. If we dont understand it, we are afraid and terrified, and when our minds are confused, and cant come to a logical answer, fear steps in and takes over.
So the simple fact of why we think something bad is going to happen? because it is the UNKNOWN fear, that is supplying this.
I do think in the mind of science, that something HUGE, can happen to earth killing most of us.
I was thinking about the gravitational pull of us coming into the center. What would the effects be on our sun? would it make it have a huge solar flare, that it would burn earth like a marshmallow? Perhaps it will cause our magnetosphere to completely be non-nonexistent, again allowing gamma rays to kill/burn us.
Perhaps even, what if it creates a gravity field, that disrupts the sun, putting out MORE gravity from the center of our solar system...causing massive, huge earthquakes that would quite literally re-arrange the face of the earth like a children's puzzle.
Or perhaps a polar shift, we all know what the "science' examples are,and if you don't then catch the movie 2012.
The point is, whether it does or doesn't happen...FEAR of the un-certain unknown is what creates most of these thoughts to come into our head.

| | | 1.A SPIRITUAL AWAKENING.

Almost every single religion in the world talks about a "higher power". Something greater than all of us. But almost EVERY SINGLE religion in the world, also says we can BE LIKE god. That threw these teachings, you can reach a state of bliss/awareness/nirvana/level close to god. That somehow WE...human beings are god in some sense. What ever your religion is, i do not care, but we can all agree that WE HUMANS, can be better. That us being us, is not enough. We all know we can do better in life, but its the actions that count not the thoughts.
The bible itself says an apocolypse is to come. Note that, apocolypse in ancient times did NOT mean, massive destruction, it quite litearlly meant Apocalypse literally means "to uncover" or "to expose" the truth."
I dont know about you, but within the past year,I have had several signs, reasons, and random things that have pointed me PERSONALLY, to a higher spirtual awarenss. Things have all the sudden pointed me towards something i KNOW is going to happen WITHIN me. I have spoke to many many people on ats,in the real world, clubs,photoshoots, school...everywhere anywhere...and a good amount says they have a "feeling" something big is going to happen. So many people all the sudden are getting very spiritual. And not to "look cool" or because THEY themselves are searching it. It is as if, it finds them.
so many ancient religions,point to this day for a REASON. Not by some random flux, but literally FOR A REASON. the very fact that there is a damn 2012 special thread on this website, goes to show how important this day is. We all know there is a higher part of us. We get glimpses of it everyday, and its those precious memories we hold dearest to our hearts. It goes to say that, if a spirtual awakening,is probably the "best case scnenario" in my mind

| | | ALIENS COME BACK TO VISIT

Once again, since the beginning of time, man has talked about "gods, aliens, great beings from the sky who taught and created us"
Let me ask you this, what would you do, if you found a primitive species on a planet, that was on the brink of evolution? That was possibly dieing out due to starvation, that was killing itself due to ignorance? On our earth alone, we see animals, we observe there natural way about them. But when things "go wrong", its our instinct to go in, and help them. To an animal we are "aliens" and a GOD to them.
Why would we believe that a species FAR more advanced then ourselves would not do the same?
There are to many things that are "unexplained" in our world, in our galaxy...in our universe that goes to say there HAS to be something else out there besides ourselves. Even our planet a few million years ago, hosted life...life we never thought or dreamed possible until we found there fossile remains. What goes to say the same cant happen on another planet?
Religions say its true... science says its very possible... math says it can be true...
but for some reason its not?
we believe the IMPOSSIBLE...but the possible? we shrugg our shoulders and say no. The simple fact is, that aliens HAVE been visited to our planet before, and probably still are. Why dont they show themselves??
why would they? we fight and kill MILLIONS, over a gooey substance that gets us around "faster".
we have enough to feed all the humans on earth, but yet we dont??
we kill others because of there skin color, for there eye shape, for what they believe. Why wouldn't we do something to a whole nother species? whos to say we wont do worse?
Again the fear, is what drives and manipulates us, to take ourselves to far dark places within ourselves.
The fact that our solar system is lining up with the center of our galaxy HAS to point to something more.
THe fact that oldest paintings, and cave drawings show's UFO's
The fact that the oldest written tablets/books/writings...all speak of aliens or gods.
it is again no mere fact that this happened 'by chance'

| | | NOTHING HAPPENS AT ALL

i'll keep it short and simple on this one. NOTHING HAPPENS. we spend a lot of our time in our personal lives, beliving in things...doing things...working towards things, that truelly have no meaning other than trying to fill a void. Perhaps we are just jumping ahead to many conclusions, before our logic sets in and says HEY, just think about it for a second.

But let me ask you this...lets say NOTHING HAPPENS...nothing at all. Would we be better off? At the pace of what our world is going on right now. How do you truelly think our planet, our species...will be in 100 years? We would like to think and assume on the positive side. But from what were seeing now...it really truelly looks like it would be far far worse, than any of the other 3 listed above. It took something so radical, that a man named jesus had to go threw such a brutal death...to show the world YOU CAN BE BETTER. YOU MUST be better...for your own sake. Let me be the sacrafice, to show and open your hearts. (my way of viewing it sorry if u dont agree)
and that was only for a small group of people.
We have how many BILLIONS on this planet now?? you think one life, would be enough to show and prove the point? millions die yearly, and no one could care less. What happened to all this love for Michael Jackson? suddenly its gone?

The fact of the matter is SOMETHING MUST CHANGE US. Something HAS to happen, by law. We are in a critical moment in our species time, where we are hurting and harming more, than doing good.

It is time for a change, what one is the question...

wow I hadn't noticed this thread but found it after search since reading horns work. I sad more folks here haven't take time to read this its amazing. It is a witness to all that the Holy Spirit has been showing me for three years and More. Just Great! flagged btw you can read most of whats in the book for free here just click on the links read it before its banned www.newswithviews.com... Gods Richest Blessings~~~

[edit on 28-12-2009 by Barkster]

reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder


Problem with your numeral '7' theory, mate...

MOST people outside the United States write it differently than the common form you used. (And yes it's even taught to people in the U. S. military, too).

Like this: 7


Ever seen how most French people write the numeral '1'??

Looks more like a sloppy '7', American-style.

Really, guys, some of these "theories" are getting so outlandish, I'm slightly embarrassed for ATS...

As to the OP, I say consider the source, and question the sanity (and intent) of people who make such videos for internet conspiracy enthusiasts to find and spread around.

Finally....the year '2012', as relating to the Mayan calendar, has no special significance, except for that which is concocted in the minds of some of these nutcases.

"Finally....the year '2012', as relating to the Mayan calendar, has no special significance, except for that which is concocted in the minds of some of these nutcases" by weed whacker

Typical negative mind control technique Ive seen used in these forums so many times. Dude argue your point without demeaning the OPs belief which in this case he supports with Horn. Dec.21, 2012 in my opinion is eve of 2013 which will mark the arrival and establishment of Apollion who after being accepted as a messianic figure will open the pit and and be possessed by his father Zeus or Satan as we call him. I have seen you in here before and you are master of the "subliminal reproach" as it was called when I was learnin MC. Designed to shew away the masses that have been brainwashed by media the same way to think any thinking out of the box is nutty, conspiracy theory, etc. btw is that all you got for an argument? The webot project goes blank after 2012 , mathmatics show all novelty going to zero in 2012. So something is gonna happen then, only instead of a real star (so called nibiru) A star(son of God) will fall in ancient writings he known as the destroyer. Revelations 9 btw Norway was just the begining of sign and strange wonders that will be in part a way of getting the masses used to this sort of thing so when he does fall most will blow it off as another government experiment.

reply to post by Barkster

Dude argue your point without demeaning the OPs belief which in this case he supports with Horn.

It has been pointed out many, many times that the Mayan calendar, and its cessation on what WE call the year 2012 is NOT, I repeat, NOT a prediction of the sort claimed by the video the OP found and posted.

All of this "prophecY" is just more of the same sort of hogwash that's been seen for centuries. This time some hucksters have found yet another way to profit off of the gullibility of people.

Look back, in just recent memory. The "Y2K" computer 'bug' that was going to cause a complete technological meltdown in the Western World, and plunge us into the dark ages...

...the tragedy of those various cults that have popped up with regularity, one recently was the "Heaven's Gate" group, who suicided thinking they'd be picked up by the mothership hiding in the tail of an approaching comet...

...there are a great number of other examples of cults', their influence on the gullible, and the tragic results. Many here on ATS are likely too young to remember Jim Jones, in Guyana...

...EOTW (End of the World) 'prophecies' have existed in many, many human cultures and religions, over the ages. The year 999, turning to 1,000 was supposed to be a "second coming" of Christ, for instance...

(people seem to focus on the numbers, and look for some symmetry, when in fact our calendars are just a conveniently made up system of tracking elapsed time as our planet orbits the Sun, that WE use for various purposes. AND nothing in the cycles of astronomy fit perfectly together, do they?? A year is how many days? Oh, but every four years we lose a bit of time, doesn't quite divide evenly, so we have "leap year" --- unless it's a year ending in zero, but evenly divided by four...there are so many examples. The Moon doesn't orbit in exactly 28 days, but about that...all of it is random, and there is NO "prophecy" at work there, nada, nil, zilch...)

This is spiritual mumbo-jumbo, and will get people agitated for no good reason, and will separate from them a lot of cash, into the pockets of shiesters, then by January or February 2013 there will be excuses made, "re-calculations", and the scam will likely continue on in new form ---

P.T. Barnum (of circus fame) said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
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Here, went searching, didn't take long to find supporting evidence of the lunacy in mankaind over the cneturies:

Failed prophecies:

About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.

About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.

About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.

365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year.

It goes on and on, too long to clip and list here in the thread, but you can use this link to read more.

I'm sure a Google search will uncover other sources, with about the same sad information....






[edit on 28 December 2009 by weedwhacker]

" In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. " Nice quote but wrong interpretation. The word in the Greek for generation, also and more appropriately translated means eon. Jesus was born in and at the beginning of the sign of Pisces hence the fish representing him in the catacombs. He was referring to the end of the astrological age of Pisces. Since so many at that time prescribed to astrology. Yes, I believe a certain urgency was allowed to exist within the Apostles so that the church would be grown from a small movement to a world wide movement quickly which was needed for it so survive and dominate till these the true end times. I see you aren't a believer of the Most high or you would put down spirituality.
Funny I've read you in here and in my opinion you represent in these forums, every view which is what the gov would have us believe. your motto should be "WeedWhacker, just doing my part to keep the stupid sheeple asleep" just sayin. You have no understanding of the bible (proven above) except what you can use to skew into argument to support you. Good luck with that. I'd suggest, although I know you won't, read the link I provided to the authors writings based on the book the OP presents and then come back and argue. Cause your stuff is not gonna work with those that live and work for the real God of hosts, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. God Bless ~~

reply to post by Barkster


Problem here is, this is getting too far into the religious side of discussion, and everyone always loses in those. (Except maybe, Dawkins, Maher, Carlin, etc...and the inimitable Stewart --- Jon, not Martha...). You may have noticed a trend, there---comedians do the best job of laying bare the problems with most religions.

See, you were quoting from whatever text you may wish to call it --- sounded like an amalgam of some ancient Hebrew imaginary beings, morphed into Old Testament/New Testament and, as usual, simply spouted (the "prophecies") for thousands of years, after thousands of translations, so that the original meaning is likely lost by now.

It, however, seems to resonate with you as some sort of "truth", but for the life of me I cannot fathom HOW so many sects of so many 'religions' who are supposed to all 'believe' in the same imaginary being/beings just can't agree anymore.

I, on the other hand, don't clutter my consciousness with the dogmatic trappings of such endeavors. I see no need for childish reliance on the supernatural, when rational thinking and scientific advancement should rightly be the truer goals for humanity.

Oh, and the WAY off topic crack about some sort of "Gov'mint Disinfo Plan"???

Errrrmmmm...perhaps you don't live in the United States, but I'd say, despite our so-called "cherished" separation of church and state doctrine, the notions of (mostly Christian) dogma is shoved down our throats, and spewed, uttered, adulated many times every day, by most of those who actually work in Government. I do not receive a GSA salary.






[edit on 29 December 2009 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by weedwhacker


Its a religious book guy. Its about the rise of the ancient figure appolyon/osirus that is the son of Satan. I see you still haven't read it and wont because you might just expose yourself to something your supposed to oppose. O well. One thing though. You should take it very seriously that your leaders take it very seriously. So much they have layed out a plan which they are executing right now to create a one world government that this entity can rule from. They even have his image on the back of your dollar and they have thier own mathmatical prophechies therein. read the link I gave or the book and learn about who your leaders and elite worship at least, instead of the old standard anti relgious blaa blaa if science is your god then read the book and come back give a scientific slanted rebuttal to the book. BTW whether you like it or not religion is here to stay. you should study and learn about it so you dont end up being devored by the great religion that is coming by way of this entity and your elite leaders. just sayin and also, Gods richest blessings, Im praying for you.

I read the book and watched his videos. I found his book to be interesting, but almost put it down and walked away when he stated John Adams was the 3rd President. I decided to read the book anyways, after finding an excuse that would forgive such a naughty error. (In a classical sense that is correct, John Hancock (President of the Continental Congress), Washington, Adams...


Regarding the book, I thought it was well done and well thought-out, (save for the Adams part). What really freaked me out is, the Cortez/Montezuma motif in Washington. If you look behind the Aztecs being depicted, there is the Aztec/Mayan Calendar that started this whole 2012 nonsense. THERE IT IS, in a motif created in the late 19th Century. When the History Channel tells us that that Calendar and its end date only became known to America in the 1960's. I was like, what the heck! Not to mention what is painted on the ceiling of the Rotunda in the Washington Monument, where heads of state, lay in state... That was crazy too... All the other stuff, okay, very interesting read, but that motif and the Rotunda blew me away.


BTW, even though Mr. Horn is a religious person, his book is NOT a religious book, anyone who even suggests such a thing has no idea what they are talking about, period!


I would recommend that book, it is entertaining if nothing else.


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 29-12-2009 by littlebunny]

reply to post by littlebunny


ok so its a book about religion, tit for tat. Say that aint so and you need to read it again

Originally posted by Barkster
reply to post by littlebunny

 

ok so its a book about religion, tit for tat. Say that aint so and you need to read it again

Its about what Mr. Horn thinks are Masonic beliefs and the code he says they left in the Great Seal of the USA that points to 2012/2016. It aint so, unless Masonic beliefs/Oracle Prophecy equals a Religion, well, maybe if some believe Satanic Rituals equals a Religion instead of a twisted sickness... and besides, I can't right now because my nephew is reading it.


love your avatar btw...


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 29-12-2009 by littlebunny]

Is there really no one else who has read that book. I mean for ATSers not to have read that book kinda freaks me out. It really is a interesting read. Okay, so this is a bump, but the question still remains.


--Charles Marcello

reply to post by littlebunny


I've got the book but have only skim read it so far. Bought it mainly because of the marketing he did in which he claimed to have found dozens of clues all pointing to the same 2009-2016 time frame. There weren't dozens at all but he's still on to something with the time frames. He does put everything in terms of a christian perspective which is irritating but I can rise above that.

reply to post by ChemBreather


Here's another thread that you may find interesting.

"Apollyon, The bottomless pit and the Large Hadron collider"

Tom Horn has free blogs to read at Defenderpublishing.blogspot.com ... and I find this is my SOURCE MATERIAL to understanding the NWO movement. Not only does he provide excellant research into the masonic and elite societies, he also provides the comprehensive historical scope required to understand their agendas. If you dont have this background (which is in part mirrored in other works) then you will probably miss critical information about the current organizational drive which is happening, even if youre on top of current events. His blogs start from last April, and Ive read all thirty. Even if you dont have much time, take the time for chapters seven and eight.

The commentry to be found from readers is priceless and edifying too. I covered most of it, even though that was the greater part of the reading. Theres no sense not being an in-depth scholar about current affairs, Tom will enforce that lesson without even saying it. The blogs are free, to the point of buy his book or dont, not that I dont recommend it.

reply to post by Northwarden


Thanks Northwarden for the url... I'm trying to understand how he reached his conclusions to a level he seems to believe... and have watched every video he has on the net at present... I guess the last thing to do is read his blogs. I just don't see how he could believe his conclusions... Write a book about it sure, but believe... I have a hard time accepting his conclusions, or that any reasonable person would believe them... Oh I found his book very entertaining, and am shocked more people on ATS haven't spent the time or the money to read it and discuss it here, I kind that shocking of all. Anyway... thanks for link, off to read what he has to say there!


--Charles Marcello

Er....I'm unsure what you're unsure about, so I can't offer insight. His research is voluminous, historically accurate - you know he has studied it to the core and presents it as an integral work to everyone- and it's the fact that he overproves his points that leads to a few quibbles about accuracy. I Don't need to add credence to what he wrote, I only wish more people had read the book or the blogs to see what is happening, has happened. Ruling Freemason Blueprints = Hell on Earth.

reply to post by Northwarden


I have been studying 2012 since 2006. I have read hundreds of websites, over 20 books now… not to mention I’ve watched/listened to hundreds of videos. I too have created, and could create another one heck of a 2012 story. Just because I put concepts to paper/Internet forums, doesn’t mean I believe… Nor does it mean that the information I’ve uncovered actually equals anything other then an interesting imagination. These are things I cannot deny… Even though I’ve read some things, and worked out the math on others that makes me believe there may in fact be something to this 2012 nonsense. However, even at that, being human and not understanding the unknowable, means many people are going to come to different conclusions. Mr. Horn himself has stated in several interviews he didn’t want to create another end of the world 2012 book. He didn’t want to make another alien or axial rotation novel. Which means when he started his research he already knew he was going to look at the evidence from a different slant. And after reading two of his books, that is exactly what I would suggest he did, and did so on purpose… Now does that mean I don’t believe he believes what he wrote is going to happen as he suggests? My quick answer is I don’t know… There is so much happening around the world and in the United States at the moment, that suggests there could be some truth to every single theory out there… However, my question still stands, does he believe and if so, what could he have discovered that makes him believe? Because there is nothing in his books that I’ve read that convinces me. I agree it’s a damn good story and I enjoyed reading it… But is it true? Perhaps his blogs will give me greater insight into what his real beliefs are. And that was the point of my response were I thanked you for giving that link. I wasn’t looking for your insight, I was looking for more insight into his beliefs, that is, if there are any at all… or is he simply being a good salesman who is trying to sell a damn interesting story??? Now that is the insight I need answers too… and I’m hoping those blogs will give me the answer. So once again, thanks for the link…


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 4-4-2010 by littlebunny]

I have not read the book but welcome anyone with spoilers.

It seems very likely that there are those who wish to use 2012 as a launchpoint for 2013.
Thirteen is the significant number.

There are so many threads on ATS right now that seem to be loose ends that could be tied or woven together to
get a more uniform picture of what is at hand.

I found this and think it is a very interesting link. It is actually conjecture on the Mark of the Beast being a
disease or in some way a means of injecting animal or genetics of a "beast" DNA into the population of mankind
so that they might no longer be human.

defenderpublishing.blogspot.com...

This hit a nerve with me as it is something that I have thought was the basic premise of Satan or his offspring,
Apollyon all along. To destroy GOD's creation and replace it after the image of Satan instead.
This is a very interesting thread that I think should be bumped and hopefully will be added to by those who are researching the symbology of the Capital, the true purpose of CERN and the goals of genetic research as pertains to human/animal hybrids.