Crop Circle formation near Barbury Castle 05/25/09

Originally posted by dragonridr
Hoaxing is by far the best explanation for crop circles

That statement shows that you clearly have zero knowledge of the subject. Crop circles defy explanation. We can't definitely say it's aliens, but definitely not humans either. The intricate weaving patterns, unbroken-yet-bent nodes, strange energies when you step in them (people falling sick or euphoric, batteries and cellphones dying), sometimes evidence of microwave energy / superheating, magnetic compasses going haywire.. none of these behaviours can be attributed to human hand.

This is the kind of subject that cannot be easily dismissed - the more you think you know, the less you actually do know. It poses more questions than answers. Rather than post a glib response and some diatribe about aliens hopping from galaxy-to-galaxy, go away and read something about the subject first and actually learn about the phenomena. If you're not going to treat this topic with the respect it deserves, then why post at all? If you're going to debunk, at least come up with some scientific-founded arguments to counter the evidence we find in the crop circles themselves. I'm talking about when you're standing up knee-high in the middle of them, with geiger counters in hand, trying to make sense of it all!

reply to post by RiotComing


Actually i have researched it but apparently you have not you take the word of every conspiracy site out there. How can you deny that crop circles are faked people have admitted it in fact apparently a fake one can not be disproved even by so called experts.

Farmer embarrassed by crop circle hoax If you want to stay on Calvin Michel's good side, don't ask him about that circular patch of flattened wheat in one of his fields.
The fact a circle showed up in a barley crop on the same field back in 2005 made the latest discovery all the more tantalizing. The circles got national press coverage. A volunteer field researcher with the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network inspected the latest circle and declared it "authentic."

Not quite.

Michel said Sunday he's learned that crop circles were a prank, pulled on him by an unnamed friend who admitted to making the circles over the past three years.

"Nobody told us it was homemade," Michel said. "There's a lot of hard feelings. We were put through the wringer."

A hoax is what the crop circles turned out to be. In 1991, Doug Bower and Dave Chorley admitted that they had been creating crop circles for years. They showed their techniques and showed the ease with which the circles were made, without detection. Paranormalists scoffed, showing that the two couldn't have produced all the crop circles. They didn't -- other hoaxers, such as Pam Price and Rob Irving came out and admitted what they had been doing. Several people showed, in a competition, that it was not difficult to make complex circles. Investigators Joe Nickell, and James Randi, visited England and could readily duplicate crop circles. Paranormalists were unable to tell the difference between their hoaxed circles and "genuine" ones.

Problem here is people want them to have some sort of mystical connection such as aliens however you may not know but they have also been attributed to devil worship as well. These are considered by some signs of the devil. But just from a science stand point if no one can tell the difference between a faked crop circle and one thats supposedly made another way then in science you can reasonably assume they are both the same, Thus both are faked.

In his 1997 book The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, Carl Sagan discussed alien-based theories of crop circle formation. Sagan concluded that no empirical evidence existed to link UFOs with crop circles. Specifically, that there were no credible cases of UFOs being observed creating a circle, yet there were many cases when it was known that human agents, such as Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, were responsible. [35] Circle creators Doug Bower and Dave Chorley concur.

Just because you want something to be true doesnt make it so.

[edit on 5/25/09 by dragonridr]

reply to post by dragonridr

Ah, but all it said was that a 'volunteer field researcher' went out there and declared it authentic - there was no mention of the testing criterion to base that conclusion - very disappointing. That volunteer for all you know, may have been a rookie or just had a cursory look with zero scientific instruments at all. We just don't know the actual circumstances. If there was a fully-detailed report online of their findings, coupled with an admission of hoaxing from the other party, then yes we have a cause for concern. Do you have access to a page that details these findings? You say you have researched the case, yes?

Originally posted by Nightchild
Apart from it looking like an Atom, I unfortunately do not know what symbol you might have seen.

That was my first impression as well.

Now the question is can any identify what this atomic image could mean.

Originally posted by RiotComing
reply to post by dragonridr

 

Ah, but all it said was that a 'volunteer field researcher' went out there and declared it authentic - there was no mention of the testing criterion to base that conclusion - very disappointing. That volunteer for all you know, may have been a rookie or just had a cursory look with zero scientific instruments at all. We just don't know the actual circumstances. If there was a fully-detailed report online of their findings, coupled with an admission of hoaxing from the other party, then yes we have a cause for concern. Do you have access to a page that details these findings? You say you have researched the case, yes?

I was impressed with the close up images of the lighter areas.

They looked like cow licks that had had been blow dried into position. The lighter color also added to the image the look of a out bursting of light.

My first thought was sacred geometry but i could not find a reference symbol which compares to the cropcircle. The lines connecting all the small full circles does not make perfect circles themselfs. The number seven seems to be of importance and number of the perfection by excellence is 3 x 7, according to the Bible.

The number seven was the general symbol for all association with God, and was the favorite religious number of Judaism, typifying the covenant of holiness and sanctification, and also all that was holy and sanctifying in purpose. The candlestick had seven lamps, and the acts of atonement and purification were accompanied by a sevenfold sprinkling. The establishment of the Sabbath, the Sabbatical year, and the year of jubilee was based on the number seven, as were the periods of purification and of mourning. The number 7 is the Divine number of completion.

en.wikipedia.org...

The number 21 is used 7 times in the Bible.

For Claude of Saint-Martin, "the number 21 is the number of destruction or rather of universal termination, because, as 2 is separated from 1, it is necessary that it has a means of to unite there if it wants it. This number shows at the same time the command of the production of things and their end, as well in the spiritual one as in the corporal one."

www.ridingthebeast.com...



[edit on 2009/5/25 by reugen]

reply to post by RiotComing


You alien believers crack me up we have people that admit they make crop circles in fact it is an art form now! but People that want to believe in aliens tell us there lying its a conspiracy to hide the facts. Then when it comes to a sighting of a UFO you tell us look you cant discount the testimony of these people they must be telling the truth. So which is it do we believe the testimonies or not or is it we believe only that which supports your beliefs?

WOW!

That is amazing!

reply to post by reugen



Nice one reugen.

So we have 3 circles of 7, the perfect number, with one in the centre making it look like an atom.

I still think this might be something to do with the kabbalistic septagram and the planets:





If only the site had more information on the direction it was facing and it's relation to other objects or crop circles found in the area.

Aldolas also pointed out earlier that it may relate to the chemical element Scandium, which is present in rare earth elements and uranium deposits.

Originally posted by Nammu
reply to post by reugen

 

Nice one reugen.

So we have 3 circles of 7, the perfect number, with one in the centre making it look like an atom.

I still think this might be something to do with the kabbalistic septagram and the planets:

If only the site had more information on the direction it was facing and it's relation to other objects or crop circles found in the area.

Aldolas also pointed out earlier that it may relate to the chemical element Scandium, which is present in rare earth elements and uranium deposits.

Thanks for this. I can see the connection.

I watched a DVD debunking crop circles, and it proved how a group of guys can make a crop circle in a few hours, using simple tools, in a very elaborate pattern. The complexity of some of the crop circles seems to me to be the biggest piece of evidence against their being of alien origin. If aliens were attempting communication with us, they would use the same symbols over and over again, giving us a chance to crack their code, rather than producing ever more elaborate designs. And why all the games anyway? Why not just land and talk to us or transmit a radio signal. Why on earth try to communicate with us by vandalizing our wheat and corn fields?

Furthermore, that symbol looks nothing like an atom. The model of an atom you are thinking of with electrons orbiting a nucleus (like the planets orbitting our sun) is outdated and flawed and does not accurately represent the actual behavior of electrons according to quantum theory. Also it certainly is not to scale if it's supposed to be an atom. It would need to be miles across, not feet.

The crop circles that you see are all 5th dimensional symbols which is literrally speaking to your subconscious mind, in order to repair your DNA and activate your genetic memories...you will also find that your DNA is also composed of this symbolic language. Scientist disregard the idea of symbols as a language and now they have to study symbolism. Guys there are bigger forces at work and lemme tell you this WE EARTH HUMANS ARE VERY SPECIAL BECAUSE WE POSSES A 12 Strand DNA AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF EMOTIONS...THINGS ARE COMMING FOR US...

How is it possible for a human being to do all these complex crop circles with geometric accuracy, in a short amount of time. Why wouldn't there be an alien life form that is responsible for the crop circles? You only need to look at your own DNA and see how much of it is actual human DNA. Remember our dna is 125 billion miles long and we only discovered 2%-3%. Dont make fun of alien believers because our own history is nothing about records of aliens.

Its perhaps done from space by us using methods or perhaps weapons set on a passive mode thus only bending the plants.

Food for thought.

The circle in the centre is untouched and has no path running to it. That's pretty neat .

Has any person even come forward and claimed credit for the more intricate ones? have some of the really intricate ones been reproduced? I can see that this one can be reproduced, to a degree (centre circle is what makes me doubt it) but there are some that I cannot really see how it is done. I am sure that a number of them are hoaxed but that does not mean all are.

Originally posted by Aldolas
It looks like an atom to me too.
If I counted right, then it's got 21 electrons, which would be scandium.
Means

Sam

EDIT to ADD: have you also noticed, that there is only 1 'orbit line' ?

[edit on 25-5-2009 by Aldolas]

Thats bad or good but makes one think its a tip off in the aluminum
casting process to make the saucer ships.

It was probably a preform pattern lying around a conference room
when one of the saucer boys picked it up an put it in a beam.

ED: Google scandium ufo

5,000 hits, BINGO

ED+: the alien alloy is strong ... on the first hit.. what ET touting BS


[edit on 5/26/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

[edit on 5/26/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

I find these very interesting....
and I have to agree with op I have seen this symbol/pattern before but I don't know where?? it just is very familiar...

reply to post by dragonridr

I'm sorry? I didn't understand any of that.

Testimonies - use your own discretion. That's what we all do around here, isn't it? I don't believe 'every video' posted on here, if that's what you're angling at. The arrogance and snide ridicule needs to stop. Whatever happened to that sticky at the top of this forum "No more scoffing and ridicule"?

Just because I poked holes in your crop circle story you brought to the table and you have nothing factual to show exactly who did the investigation, their criterion, or how they arrived at the conclusion it was authentic. See, when it comes to crop circles, I take a pure scientific stance, NOT a 'believers' stance. And the science of crop circles shows us that we have unexplainable phenomena going on in the genuine cases. Barbury Castle itself has been known for its UFO sightings in the area as well as its crop circles. I don't claim to know or 'believe' anything when it comes to this subject. The truth is, neither you nor I know anything about how this thing got here - how on earth do you bend all those stalks without it breaking, in a geometric pattern so succinctly perfect it would take a miracle to judge the operation from ground level.

My personal theory (and this is speculation), is that it is caused by a phenomena similar to cymatics - I have no idea 'who' is doing this, but they have a technique that involves etching a wave frequency pattern into the ground below. But I really have no idea.. in spite of all the DVDs, the documentaries, the books and magazines, the websites..

reply to post by RiotComing


You simply show a fact you want to believe it in so bad your overlooking direct evidence to the contrary. Did you know there are groups that make these and compete to do so some of the most famous crop circles that people bring up on all the UFO sights are known hoaxes made The artists have become become known as circle makers

Heres the website if you would like to take the time to look over there work it has turned into a cottage industry in fact the farmers dont mind because they make far more money off tourists do a little research on this part yourself ill tell youthe tours can be booked now oddly enough no crop circles yet but there will be. Heres another fact for you did you know 80 percent of the worlds crop circles are within 20 miles of stone henge.

PS you will recognize there work im sure ive seen several on different sights. Enjoy it really is neat it even talks about how they were payed by Disney to make crop circles for the movie sign.


The Circle Makers

reply to post by dragonridr

What? Those guys who do corporate work are a totally different kettle of fish! Thanks for 'muddying the waters' in this thread. To quote Dragon's Den, "I'm out"..