This planet needs depopulation

Well, despite the fact that you have the single greatest name on ATS, I think yes we are becoming over crowded, but no we don't really need to be depopulated. I mean it is easy to say it "should" happen, but I don't ever see anyone here on ATS volunteer to free some space on Earth.

While overpopulation is not an issue right now, it will be in the not too distant future. It should at least be discussed seriously for future generations that WILL have to deal with it eventually.

I keep reading people saying that the Worlds population can fit comfortably into Australia's landmass with plenty of room to spare. I did the maths (World Pop estimate June 2009: 6,790,062,216 and Landmass:7686850 sq km (2967909 sq mi)) and found that each person would have 1.1 sq metres, not what I would call comfortable.

I saw this video on percentage growth posted on another site a few weeks back and thought that any here who haven't seen it should definitely watch it. While a little slow, it certainly is an eye opener.

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The worlds population growth is said to be around 1.18%. Not a big number, but it does add up over time, almost doubling over a 50 year period and more than 10 times the current population in only 200 years using the current 1.18% figure. It really isn't that far off at all.

Population in 2009 = 6,790,062,216
Population in 2059 = 12,206,959,601
Population in 2109 = 21,945,286,797
Population in 2159 = 39,452,544,152
Population in 2209 = 70,926,539,008

As you can see, even small growth numbers can add up very quickly.
As the population increases, so does the resources needed to sustain said population and also the landmass needed keeping in mind we still need farms for food and not all land is able to be farmed easily or at all.

While it isn't critical right now, we should at least start thinking about how this problem will be tackled by future generations.

reason for edit: duplicated some info


[edit on 26/5/09 by GBBumblebee]

A brave post, and one that will inevitably be under attack from the PCGM brigade. I think a lot of people are mistakenly associating "depopulation" with "mass-murder. Most people who support depopulation don't want to see millions or billions of people murdered in the process. (Well, those of us not apart of the global elite that is.)

What we do need is better measures in place to decrease the rapid birth rate. We need incentives in place that encourages people to have no more than two children. We need to reinforce the idea that the quality of one child's life is more important than the number of children you have. To better educate people on the emotional and financial cost of deciding to have and raise children BEFORE they actually do.

Just some thoughts.

[edit on 26/5/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by Avarus
One of my first posts on this board was about depopulation. I suggested that we have a system that requires families to take a 'class', teaching them responsibility of having a child. Educating them. If you pass, you get your license to breed.

Seems reasonable to me.

Finally, a voice of reason.

Thank you.

reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder


I wholeheartedly agree.

People have this knee-jerk reaction to population control as though it equates to murder

What we need is social change.

1. Acceptance and open support of alternative sexuality (with emphasis on non-penetrative sex).
2. Standardized global laws on birth control, free for all nations in the face of religious insanity.
3. Education of overpopulation risks to teenagers, and education of my first proposal also, as a part of sex education.
4. Increased emphasis on "1 child raised properly" instead of "many children raised irresponsibly".
5. We need to go back to the idea that a "village raises a child", sharing responsibility and sharing the experience between the community.
6. Men especially need to be held accountable for their children. It should be law that a woman names the father and he is then held accountable for that child until they are an adult. No excuses.

People need to work out that if we don't take action ourselves immediately, the several kids they have will face a terrible life of limited resources, numerous new diseases, pollution on a massive scale, crowding, lack of homes... the list is really endless, it's already happening and has been for a while.

We simply can't go on like we have been.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

I wholeheartedly agree.

People have this knee-jerk reaction to population control as though it equates to murder

Good and wise words, my friend. A star to you.

Indeed, depopulation is absolutely NOT equal with murder. People who flame this thread because of this, haven't understood the whole point of depopulation.

Originally posted by Spooky Fox Mulder

Originally posted by Avarus
One of my first posts on this board was about depopulation. I suggested that we have a system that requires families to take a 'class', teaching them responsibility of having a child. Educating them. If you pass, you get your license to breed.

Seems reasonable to me.

Finally, a voice of reason.

Thank you.

It won't work that way. The Human race are like children, if any government says "you can't have it" they immediately start screaming about it.

This needs to be done gradually with a social change. Attitudes need to change with education and guidance from government.

A license requirement will not prevent people from breeding. If they do then have a child without a license, what happens?


The inevitable conclusion is that there would then be forced abortions, forced foster caring, forced adoption, victimization of the mother...
None of that makes any sense, especially when you're talking about such an emotive issue. It wouldn't work.

Birth rates would continue to rise, and the burden on society would increase too because the parent is now deemed not capable. You'd end up with billions of kids in state care all around the world.

Originally posted by CreeWolf
Earth is not as fragile as a lot of you tree-huggers think. She is instead much more powerful than you can imagine. If there are too many of us, through disease, famine, disaster, Earth will simply shake us off....

Like a dog shakes off fleas!

Hahaha, tree huggers...

If this was a world of equality, Id tend to agree. But humanity has broken the rules, so those laws dont apply anymore.

8[

Tree huggers... Such an insult for such a serious concept, as if it denies reality...... hahaha

Thanks everyone for all the posts, now I know who all the nutjobs are... You people are talking about murder. You must be out of your mind if you think this is a good idea.....

Oh F it... There is no point in trying to talk reason into someone so insane.... or is it just stupidity? Either way, no point.

Originally posted by CreeWolf
Earth is not as fragile as a lot of you tree-huggers think. She is instead much more powerful than you can imagine. If there are too many of us, through disease, famine, disaster, Earth will simply shake us off....

Like a dog shakes off fleas!

at you calling people "tree-huggers" then using the typical Pagan response of the Earth as a conscious being. Pot-Kettle?

I don't think it is that simple any more. We are becoming more advanced by the day, able to combat disease, able to predict natural disasters, able to treat millions of illnesses and conditions...

And all of this keeps moving. It never stops and I dare say it would be moving faster than the Earth can keep up. There would need to be a massive extinction event to even come close to effectively controlling our population in such a natural way.

Originally posted by sliceNodice
Thanks everyone for all the posts, now I know who all the nutjobs are... You people are talking about murder. You must be out of your mind if you think this is a good idea.....

Oh F it... There is no point in trying to talk reason into someone so insane.... or is it just stupidity? Either way, no point.

What the hell are you on?

I would suggest you go back through this thread and READ IT PROPERLY.

This is about population control and limiting our birth rates, it's not about culling the Human population. The people we are talking about do not exist.

Seriously, go back and read the thread before you jump in here blasting people for something you clearly haven't even bothered to think about or read properly.

The point is people (here) already relate depopulation to murder , as this kind of depopulation is already ocurring and continues to occur.

If you want to decrease population through education , which I completely agree , you better use another name for it.


As you see , those people , the elite , likes to keep us confused , putting meanings in words , turning good ideals in bad ones and vice - versa. It is a very subtle form of manipulation.

A good example would be socialism and marxism. They are not the same , yet people believe they are one and the same.

Democratic Republic and Democracy is another example.


I do not want to see people accepting mass murder , when they first think it is simply birth control , when it actually isn't , see? Gradually distorting the meaning till mass murder is acceptable.

When they say Depopulation = Mass murder = birth control , that will be really sad indeed.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by sliceNodice
Thanks everyone for all the posts, now I know who all the nutjobs are... You people are talking about murder.

What the hell are you on?

I would suggest you go back through this thread and READ IT PROPERLY.

Indeed. Nobody is talking about murder here.

reply to post by Roufas


Then it sounds like to me, the people trying to control the world with the new world order are just like the rest of us...

They are trying to control the population of the world and try to control everyone within their world, everyone here talking about depopulating the earth is just a guilty as those in the NWO BECAUSE you have the same ideals as them, control others, you feel you are more intelligent and understanding than the rest i guess...

Those in control are working on depopulating the world and a lot of us Intuitive and Perceptive people out there KNOW full and well something big is about to happen in the years to come to this planet...

Dont worry about saving the world with each of your own biased ignorances, save yourself first... duh

reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder


There is no maximum capacity limit "that we know of" on this planet.. I think the better solution would be to live cleaner. Energy efficient. Stop hating and killing and unnecessary breeding.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

 

1. Acceptance and open support of alternative sexuality (with emphasis on non-penetrative sex).
2. Standardized global laws on birth control, free for all nations in the face of religious insanity.
3. Education of overpopulation risks to teenagers, and education of my first proposal also, as a part of sex education.
4. Increased emphasis on "1 child raised properly" instead of "many children raised irresponsibly".
5. We need to go back to the idea that a "village raises a child", sharing responsibility and sharing the experience between the community.
6. Men especially need to be held accountable for their children. It should be law that a woman names the father and he is then held accountable for that child until they are an adult. No excuses.

I Think this guy makes a good outline for not having to go for depopulation

More emphasis on All but #1

You can still ahve sex without getting pregnant imean... maybe you meant teach sexual education classes that actually teach sex...

[edit on 26-5-2009 by rjmelter]

A cynic would say why not start with the OP to redunce the population. It's funny that we want some of us to go away so that the ones which remain can live better. The problem is just delayed for some time. The way we live is the main problem, not our numbers. Earth can hold many billions, but not like this.

No offence, but I think there is no proper way in which we can depopulate this planet. Any attempt will be a disaster in human lives. The planet is not in danger, we are. The planet will not die, we will, if we keep this trend.

It will happen. Hell, its already happening, millions die of starvation, but for some reason the population keeps growing.

The solution is not to kill people, that will not solve the issue, the solution is to change people. If the current generations are impossible to change, then hope that once we're 500 million we might start over in a new way, a better way. If we keep our current paradigm after the depopulation it is pointless to do it.

Any ideas what that change has to be in order for us to live happily with Earth even when 6 billion? At least we know how not to do it...

Over Population Rectification
May 26, 2009

This thread is dealing with what will become the over-arching issue on the planet in a few short years. Participants in these discussions are at least aware of the size of the problem, and they will be (probably) among the few that will seriously address and try to be of help in what is going to happen.

I do not deal with religion, but I am conversant with those who are religious and therefore I do have some insight into the thinking of those on high who are the actual controllers and policy makers about what happens to a planet that has reached the state this one has in population disorders.

In June of 2006 a discussion was recorded between a group of individuals who were concerned as some of you are about the population numbers on earth. This discussion was relegated to doom and gloom by some, but by others, it held out hope that the situation of population control could be seriously and adequately addressed without resorting to eugenics or other mis-applied techniques to reduce numbers.

Readers of this thread ought to realize that you are not alone in being concerned about what you see today. In response, I will copy here a small portion of the comments made by a highly placed celestial being who is to oversee what happens on the planet for population matters as well as setting up those agencies inside and outside of the power sectors that set the agenda on earth. This makes these words important although I am prepared to understand the disbelief many will have regarding the source and the impact of his work that will become obvious to all in a few years if not before that.


POPULATION REDUCTION IS SELF-RECTIFYING

Student: I have a question. [We understand] . . . that the man to land ratio is key to the well being of the human race. Is our population in line with the man to land ratio? They predict that there will be nine billion people by 2050. Are you able to speak on that, or how do we keep our population within limits?

Magisterial Son: This is not a function that is governable by individuals, or even by societies or nations, except that individuals may responsibly raise a reasonable number of children, so that they are cared for, educated and prepared for their future. The population of your world is grossly out of balance. It will be at that time, which you state, approximately three times larger than it should be. There is truly an equation for the number of people that can successfully, productively, rationally, spiritually, occupy land in relationship to the square mileage or land mass.

Your other question obviously must be, "How will this be aligned?" We will not institute any global program of eugenics. This situation of over-population of your planet will be self-rectifying. It is unavoidable; it is now in preparation, we are aware that there are forces in your world, which will change the population level dramatically in a very brief period of time.

END

Acknowledgment:
The words spoken above have not been published other than through private means. I have a copy of the full remarks if anyone is interested in requesting a copy from me.

These student groups have been brought into existence by the (invisible) managers and executives of the spiritual government which is presently on a campaign to enlist all who have a sense of obligation to maintain the world with its resources intact. There is a danger of losing the work of millennium developed by the present civilization once the population numbers begin to fall precipitously. Contact with individuals has already begun but such contact will become more general and direct when it has to. I will save you the question of asking “how” that may happen, as I do not know. What we do know is that the process of depopulation is an inherent natural process and that it is forecast to be exacerbated by man’s mistakes in attempting to deal with a frightening inevitability.

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by Roufas

 

Then it sounds like to me, the people trying to control the world with the new world order are just like the rest of us...

They are trying to control the population of the world and try to control everyone within their world, everyone here talking about depopulating the earth is just a guilty as those in the NWO BECAUSE you have the same ideals as them, control others, you feel you are more intelligent and understanding than the rest i guess...

Those in control are working on depopulating the world and a lot of us Intuitive and Perceptive people out there KNOW full and well something big is about to happen in the years to come to this planet...

Dont worry about saving the world with each of your own biased ignorances, save yourself first... duh

Again, we are not talking about killing existing people. FFS what part of this are you lot not getting?

It's not hard to figure out, if we keep breeding at the rate we are now, THERE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN HUMAN LIFE!

Already we are finding it impossible to supply adequate care and food to sustain the population. But I guess it's ok for millions to suffer, as long as YOU can afford your Burgers and Beer, as long as YOU have a roof over your head and as long as YOUR kids have similar, F everyone else right?

This is a discussion about how to manage the population through education and intelligence, not through force.
I don't consider the NWO in all of this (because there is NO EVIDENCE that the NWO even exists!) until there is proof of it, I would suggest not involving that discussion here, it's pointless and means nothing in relation to this debate.

Again, anyone who is considering posting about "murder" and "genocide", read through this thread again, that's not what we are discussing.

reply to post by rjmelter


You are not wrong saying they are people just like us , yes they are humans (I hope) , yet they feel superior.

Comparing our discussions on how to make the world better , to actually slowly killing people is wrong though. I am not for mass murder , those people are.

I am for being conscientious as human beings and not iresponsably having 10 children if you cannot afford to raise them through your hard work , without having to resort to loans , or ask the government for help.

Saying I think I am smarter is an assumption you made , as I never said or think that. There is always someone smarter , I just put my view here.