UFOs over TEXAS on NASA TV: Uncut

To say that NASA video, down-linked live...is a fake means you gotta be have ADT! Come on..this is strange video..the objects remain unidentified, & are moving up & are not close..so I think this is more than just a joke...

Originally posted by secretnasaman
To say that NASA video, down-linked live...is a fake means you gotta be have ADT! Come on..this is strange video..the objects remain unidentified, & are moving up & are not close..so I think this is more than just a joke...

No single source -- not even you -- is utterly trustworthy, so why are you withholding the date/time/camera source information you have on these scenes? Allow other people to verify them and seek the technological context of the scenes.

Without such checkability, of course the objects remain 'unidentified' -- because you refuse to release all your records on the scenes.

As for the objects being 'not close', did you get that information telepathically or with a measuring tape? How do you measure distance to a space-borne dot on a TV screen?

Jim..I really don't get it...cuz I have been the only one doing any exposing...This new tactic of needing me to prove NASA videos are not fake is over the top..

seriously, your NASA friends must be the ones to show where there is an faking on this uncut sequence...think about it...Garneau is CAP Com etc. on this video ..if i can figure that out...you have as well..then do the math..or show it to the NASA librarian ....

Originally posted by secretnasaman
Jim..I really don't get it...cuz I have been the only one doing any exposing...This new tactic of needing me to prove NASA videos are not fake is over the top..

seriously, your NASA friends must be the ones to show where there is an faking on this uncut sequence...think about it...Garneau is CAP Com etc. on this video ..if i can figure that out...you have as well..then do the math..or show it to the NASA librarian ....

I'm not questioning the authenticity of the video, just the time/date of it, which you logged when you recorded it. Without such information you lay an undue burden on anyone seeking to validate the video and obtain the required technological context of the scene.

Why do you misspell 'capcom'?

You're the one offering this tape as evidence. Evidence must have a verifiable chain of custody and verifiability. You don't provide it -- you insist that -I- go find it -- and as a consequence, your pretty pictures prove nothing.

All you are exposing is your sloppy records-keeping, seems to me. Maybe you really don't KNOW when the videos were made, and my suspicions that you were withholding the data deliberately to make independent verification impossible, are overblown and unwarrented. Maybe you're just making independent verification impossible due to your own carelessness.

Originally posted by secretnasaman
To say that NASA video, down-linked live...is a fake means you gotta be have ADT!

Martyn, the reason anybody serious about the UFO mystery needs to be able to independently verify your non-sourced claims is a result of stories such as this:

Reviewed by Don Ecker
Secret NASA Transmissions: Part 2
90 minutes, VHS. Venice, CA: UFO Central Home Video, (800) 350-4639
Back in the year 2000, this writer reviewed "The Secret NASA
Transmissions: The Smoking Gun," produced by the United Kingdom's
Quest Publications. This video is still available through UFO
Central Home Video, and I found the program vastly interesting.
Martyn Stubbs, a Canadian cable television manager, over several
years videotaped thousands of hours of NASA transmissions with many
unexplained anomalies. NASA's silence in explaining the anomalies
was deafening. I gave the video a very high recommendation.
"Secret NASA Transmissions: 2" is another look at these unexplained
anomalies by Martyn Stubbs, who's interviewed on this tape by Graham
Birdsall of the U.K.'s Quest UFO Magazine.
There is not a lot of new footage in this offering, but what I find
of great interest is Stubbs' inside recounting of how his
investigation proceeded with various members of Canadian space
officialdom. Stubbs finally names the names of the various
individuals and how they reacted to being confronted with the images
that over the years have been captured by anomaly researchers.
There are several revelations on this tape that make it worth the
purchase. One involves a Canadian astronaut who was mysteriously
pulled from a shuttle flight just several days prior to launch.
According to Stubbs, this astronaut was simply amazed and
subsequently very outspoken about the phenomena he witnessed on "The
Secret NASA Transmissions: The Smoking Gun," and was yanked off the
mission just several days prior to the launch. The implication, of
course, had to do with this astronaut's "UFO fascination."

Martyn, all attempts to locate this alleged Candian astronaut pulled off a shuttle flight right before launch, have failed. All Canadian astronauts who have flown shuttles were assigned many months before the launch, and their identity never changed.

Can you explain what research impelled you to make that claim, and how you explain it being contrary to all other investigation reults?

JIM....NO,NO...NO..I am not manipulating..and do not need a lecture from you on journalism...nor a topic change to this old review by a DVD critic ...I am not the issue...I am not dragging out all this old, rehashed talk..it is you. Why can't you watch the screen rather than just attack me. I'm doing my best just doing the work of getting these clips up... It is a messy trying to keep such a huge amount of flight video sorted & neat & clean...I like a huge messy work space! so Jim, refocus on the video. I am certain the ATS members are just as stumped by your inability to get any NASA involvement here...

Originally posted by secretnasaman
JIM....NO,NO...NO..I am not manipulating..and do not need a lecture from you on journalism...nor a topic change to this old review by a DVD critic ...I am not the issue...I am not dragging out all this old, rehashed talk..it is you. Why can't you watch the screen rather than just attack me. I'm doing my best just doing the work of getting these clips up... It is a messy trying to keep such a huge amount of flight video sorted & neat & clean...I like a huge messy work space! so Jim, refocus on the video. I am certain the ATS members are just as stumped by your inability to get any NASA involvement here...

Thanks, Martyn.

Your advice is, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...", or as you worded it,

refocus on the video

..but do NOT bother yourself about when it was taken, under what illumination, what releases or maneuvers were being made from the shuttle, what the actual witnesses recall about it... No, no, NO, never bother with that kind of useless stuff.

Well, I can't make you fulfill your evidentiary responsibilities, all I can do is show that you haven't, and let people make up their own minds.

BTW -- It is not a "topic change" to provide an example of why I suggest serious ufologists require you to provide checkable sources for supposed public events such as a NASA video, or the removal of a Canadian astronaut from a shuttle flight. Another example is your oft-repeated claim that NASA actually moved a communications satellite out of your direct line-off-sight in response to your listening to its signals.

I don't believe either event actually happened. You have made it clear that you will not provide any such checkable sources. That's your right.

As for actually investigating videos shown around here, see the 114 thread for the kinds of NASA information that anyone can request and obtain, to provide a context for (and often a prosaic explanation of) the dots. I am entirely able to get NASA 'involvement' here, as you would be, if you asked.

But for that info, one needs the time/date of the scenes shown. Since you won't provide them, you guaranty a roadblock to further investigation. Is that your intent?

I think it's then unfair of you to flaunt my inability to locate a video, and associated context, that you won't tell me when was made.

[edit on 24-5-2009 by JimOberg]

By most peoples standards, the NASA videos...represented by this thread, offer excellent proof that there are UFOs on NASA space flight video. What's not to like?

Plenty, according to Mr. Oberg, who is widely admired among the NASA community as a tough talker with a tough hide. The internet crackles with his posts. But there are nevertheless enough people out there who dislike his kind of "snark", to constitute a significant force in UFO research.

Mr. Oberg frequently denounces the "NASA videos" I post on You Tube with a dislike, that boils over on recent ATS threads. He has no time for the idea that people are seeing things on 'unimpeachable' NASA flight video that truly cannot be explained.

Why are some people so angry & closed minded? The Internet has transformed this cultural suspicion that we are not the biological center of the universe, into a much more potent force than in the 20th. century. It is also true that a majority of people believe that there are UFOs being seen in our skies. Thus any new evidence, like this threads' NASA video.."UFOs over Texas", is driving many UFO skeptics crazy!

It is hard to judge so early in the game, what this contribution of NASA UFO videos means for the UFO community. What is clear is that the skeptics polarization is instant, thanks to their growing number of non-negotiable issues.

This is not healthy for ATS, where a certain amount of give & take exists. This is not the place for posts based on outrage. This just makes it harder to solve this amazing UFO enigma, that requires some collaboration. Unfortunately the Jim Obergs of this world are more than just a joke.

...."with a little help from my friends"...

Originally posted by secretnasaman
By most peoples standards, the NASA videos...represented by this thread, offer excellent proof that there are UFOs on NASA space flight video. What's not to like?

If Martyn is not going to release information he possesses about the exact date and time of the videos he posts, so that any other independent investigator can validate them and ascertain technological context of the events, I can't make him.

All I can do is express my view that he doesn't seem to want the videos investigated, he just wants his own opinions of them endorsed without question -- and without checking.

Gosh, not even a nasty closed-minded debunker such as myself would ever insist on that sort of blind faith. Question everything, and provide readers opportunities to verify and to follow the same logic trail -- I've always thought that such an ideal (which I often do fail to entirely live up to myself) is the route to better understanding of a mysterious phenomenon that fascinates and teases us all -- and probably holds important as yet unrecognized knowledge that requires far more rigorous judgment to filter it out.

Videos that can be verified, and hypotheses that can be offered -- I'll be glad to take part in any such productive discussions.

Originally posted by JimOberg

If Martyn is not going to release information he possesses about the exact date and time of the videos he posts, so that any other independent investigator can validate them and ascertain technological context of the events, I can't make him.

Martyn Stubbs didn't make this thread Jimbo - go bother the OP.

Or you could do what investigators such as Mikesing, Zorgon, chadwickus, Mr Stubbs, Bigfatfurrytexan, Phage, Internos, undo, and myself do - and watch the hours of footage you already have from the mission to ascertain the period in the mission that this footage is from, along with searching the internet and asking around. Listen with the volume turned UP; deductive logic can often be applied to what can be heard.

It will take time. It will take effort. You may be required to use your networking skills. It is called independent research and investigation...

By providing you with these details upon your demand, the eminent Mr Stubbs would only be further enabling your worst proclivities.

Due to your penchant for insults, insinuations and off-topic dalliance regarding Mr. Stubbs and other members; I do not expect to see your demands being met.

*There are many ways to acquire the information you demand. You should not rely on us to do your research for you.
(You are the one claiming that these UFOs are identifiable - yet you have been unable to conclusively identify any of them. )

Jimbo, The Onus is on you to corroborate your own claims and perform your own investigation and analysis.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by Exuberant1]

Ah, the coverup continues, and it's MY fault...

I am happy to do real investigation of these kinds of videos, as I did for the 115 thread recently. My report of results is still over at that thread.