Truly Amazing WOW!

Originally posted by yeebsy
Got thinking about this video and decided to try it out for myself, I don't believe the object is hung on a string I still think that is lens flare.

Anyway I took a piece of glass out of a picture frame and fixed it to the outside of my house and placed a penny (1p) on the glass with an airgun pellet on top of the penny to give it a more 3d look. I used a little pany consumer DV cam and filmed, take a look at the results. If I had more time and the right lighting I think I could get the same look spot on.

I've also posted this on another UFO website to get their reaction as well.

www.youtube.com...

When you zoomed out in your video you revealed everything, that it was a fake with
a penny etc. wich by consequence proved the opposite with the Urzi video wich has
zooming ins and outs. Have you seen the two video frames I posted?

Only at close up you may get some effect but when zooming out... good bye.
I think you failed in the amateur recreation you made wich by the way is one of the
worst I have seen. I you want to solve the mystery of this Urzi video then you have
to look somewhere else, if not interested then just move on.

Originally posted by free_spirit
When you zoomed out in your video you revealed everything, that it was a fake with a penny etc.

I can't speak for Yeebsy, but perhaps that was the point? To show how it could have been faked. I'm sure he could have gotten a bigger piece of glass, were he actually attempting to fool everyone into thinking it was real, so that you wouldn't see the edges while zooming out.

Have you seen the two video frames I posted?

And what are those supposed to prove? They don't provide a reference of scale at all. I think you're dismissing Yeebsy's video too easily.

To me, Urzi's UFO looks very much like a small object on piece of glass. Especially when the autofocus is working and you can see how shallow the depth of field is when it's focused on the UFO. Urzi also clearly has access to several large windows that sit at an angle. I noticed that they can also be rotated to be horizontal as well.

Originally posted by free_spirit
When you zoomed out in your video you revealed everything, that it was a fake with a penny etc. wich by consequence proved the opposite with the Urzi video wich has zooming ins and outs. Have you seen the two video frames I posted?

I think that if yeesby hadn't zoomed out we'd be reading about a UFO seen flying over Scotland soon - either being more careful or having a larger sheet of glass would have made his shot seamless. By making sure you know it's a hoax he's proving it can be done

-m0r

When you zoomed out in your video you revealed everything

That was the point, I'm NOT trying to HOAX people, just show how it's done (It's not rocket science, hell even my 8 year old son understands what I was doing).

The glass I used was a hell of a lot smaller than a velux window, if I had the same size glass that Urzi has I to could fool a lot of people. What he is using is "forced perspective" filming something small and giving the illusion that it's big.

I think you failed in the amateur recreation you made wich by the way is one of the worst I have seen

You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, however I grabbed the first few items that came to hand to show how it can be done. He may be the luckiest guy on the planet and it could be real, he may have been the only person out of several hundred thousand people that was looking up on these days but have you asked yourself why he never managed to film the craft (button) arrive or leave? maybe, just maybe because if he was to film it arrive and leave you would see his giant hand place it there.

Really? Why don't you take another look. Here check these two video frames. The size of the airplane and the reference with the chimney, if you know what perspective means. Centimeters right? Not that easy.

You are kidding me here, have you heard of "forced perspective" if not check this page out. www.chemistryland.com...

Things that are small can be made to look large, the film and TV industry has been using these techniques for decades, just google forced perspective and you will find hundreds of examples.

I am a great believer in that we do not know the full story of what is going on in our skys, there's just to much evidence from respectable eye witnesses, radar tapes etc. What I cannot abide is people who try to pass of crap and say it's real and even worse is people who will sit back and say "ye that's a clear shot it must be real" these people, the hoaxers and the BLIND believers are the folk that do more damage to the enigma that is the UFO phenomenon that any government or agency could possibly hope for.

Edit for V bad grammer.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by yeebsy]

Wow that is amazing!! Anyone else have any clue what it could have been?

I'm new to this site - Has anyone on here been lucky enough to see a UFO?

I just found this video of a UFO sighting near where I live in the UK

UFO in Liverpool

I'm yet to see one myself, but I'll keep my eyes to the sky


[edit on 26-5-2009 by yoUFO]

reply to post by Majorion


Looks like Jaime wasted our time again...
It definitely look like the button....

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by free_spirit
When you zoomed out in your video you revealed everything, that it was a fake with a penny etc.

Have you seen the two video frames I posted?

And what are those supposed to prove? They don't provide a reference of scale at all. I think you're dismissing Yeebsy's video too easily.

Then open your eyes again and see the two video frames. You see the airplane and
the chimney or not? If you see them how do you call them in video analysis?
Elemental my dear jra. If you still can't see them then I'm afraid you need a pair of
glasses, no offense.

On the other hand what we are seeing here is known as zooming out the target, or
the object, or the ufo or whatever you like. That's the point. The rest is still in
discussion and I reserve my conclusion for later.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
has anyone else noticed that the specks of dirt on the lense dont shake erratically only the ufo? The erratic camera shake is only demonstrated with the ufo shaking yet the specks of dirt on the lense remain fairly still. Me thinks cgi or some kind of compositing software.

Actually, I just gave that much thought and came to the conclusion he filmed a screen. Note the dirt never goes out focus and this is impossible if he were to be filming through a dirty window.

Image1: Zoomed out:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4aae9859050c.jpg[/atsimg]

Image2: He zooms in on the pre-recorded video (note dirt marks didn't move):
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/73a753780ac6.jpg[/atsimg]

Image3: He zooms in on the screen(dirt marks have now shifted position and appear bigger):
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c9bdc9abc1b9.jpg[/atsimg]

Me thinks he either took a video of the sky and added a CGI craft, or filmed a fake craft, erased any deffects from film(like wires), and later filmed it from a screen so that he could share a 'raw' video.


[edit on 28-5-2009 by daniel_g]

Originally posted by yeebsy

When you zoomed out in your video you revealed everything

That was the point, I'm NOT trying to HOAX people, just show how it's done (It's not rocket science, hell even my 8 year old son understands what I was doing).

The glass I used was a hell of a lot smaller than a velux window, if I had the same size glass that Urzi has I to could fool a lot of people. What he is using is "forced perspective" filming something small and giving the illusion that it's big.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by yeebsy]

Unfortunately you failed again for not knowing anything about this case yeesby. You
brought the term forced perpective as a blind guess exposing again you're an amateur.
Check the actual location where the footage was taken and consider again those terms
before throwing the line and bait. You and your “forced perspective”.

Unfortunately you failed again for not knowing anything about this case yeesby.

Enlighten me, what am I missing that proves this is an extra terrestrial craft and not a button.

You brought the term forced perpective as a blind guess exposing again you're an amateur.

You're right, videography is a hobby, I'm a fire fighter by day, but it does not detract from the fact that I know how he's conning YOU! as well as others.

Check the actual location where the footage was taken and consider again those terms before throwing the line and bait.

Man, you make me laugh , even when the evidence is staring you in the face your "blind belief" shields your eyes from the truth. You have provided pictures of him hanging out of the VELUX window which he uses as an FX platform.

You and your “forced perspective”.

Oops, you still don't know what it means do you?

I am quite willing to say I'm wrong, when I'm wrong. Now if this guy can get footage of the object away in the distance and actually arriving on scene and then actually leave into the cloud, or something that actually proves he is not using glass and a button, then I will email him personally and appologise.

Until then all we have is what looks like a button on glass, sorry buttons as he is so lucky he has filmed several different craft (sorry buttons) over Milan and no one else has noticed? (he should do the lottery).






Edit for spelling

[edit on 28-5-2009 by yeebsy]

great find!! S&F!!!

there's a possibility it could of been faked, but it does look legit as hell. im no vid expert, but this one seems different... and also looks like bob lazars sports model we've heard about before

but as ive said in a few other UFO posts that its JUST another video to OOOHHHH and AWWWEEEE at. this isn't evidence.

what i don't get is, with all the videos, pictures, witnesses, etc (this goes for ALL UFO CASES) that a majority still find ways to bar them as being evidence, calling the witnesses loons, or call the picture doctored, and so on and so forth...

makes me wonder, why even record them if its not going to be taken seriously by the majority...

were not going to get anywhere posting fake things, and declaring something fake when it looks real. we'll never get anywhere with that mentality.

just my two cents, sick n tired of seeing awesome video, later to find out its faked, or forgotten...

THE UNIVERSE is WAY too big for there not to be alien life out there, too old not to have an advanced species, and earth being here in existence w/o being noticed by intelligent life and being studied.

heck if life formed here, why not elsewhere? We Humans dont have to be ignorant and think were the ONLY intelligent things out there, heck even possible we were created by an intelligent life form/race and are being studied on how we develop and therefore that's why we have these sightings. just my opinion.

the earth is 4.5 billion years old? universe is said to be 15.5 billion years old? LOTS of time in there for intelligent life to be formed and advanced enough to detect other life baring planets and have them studied...

wake up... if you don't see this then your BLIND!

(sigh)

THE UNIVERSE is WAY too big for there not to be alien life out there, too old not to have an advanced species, and earth being here in existence w/o being noticed by intelligent life and being studied. heck if life formed here, why not elsewhere? We Humans dont have to be ignorant and think were the ONLY intelligent things out there, heck even possible we were created by an intelligent life form/race and are being studied on how we develop and therefore that's why we have these sightings. just my opinion. the earth is 4.5 billion years old? universe is said to be 15.5 billion years old? LOTS of time in there for intelligent life to be formed and advanced enough to detect other life baring planets and have them studied... wake up... if you don't see this then your BLIND!

This is not the issue here, the issue here is regarding Antonios video and the authentacy of it. Some folk think it's real and others think it's fake, no one can make up other peoples minds for them, all we can do here is submit evidance, put our theories forward and let everone make up their own minds.

Originally posted by ugie1028
what i don't get is, with all the videos, pictures, witnesses, etc (this goes for ALL UFO CASES) that a majority still find ways to bar them as being evidence, calling the witnesses loons, or call the picture doctored, and so on and so forth...

If there is something that does not look right then we should doubt it's authenticity and try to find more data, to see if we can prove it as a fake or as a true video of an unexplained event.

makes me wonder, why even record them if its not going to be taken seriously by the majority...

Because it may be taken seriously by a minority, this is not a popularity contest, is looking for data.

were not going to get anywhere posting fake things, and declaring something fake when it looks real. we'll never get anywhere with that mentality.

But if it looks fake then we should say it, and if it looks suspicious we should also say it, and we should say it if we cannot find anything wrong with it, accepting anything that we find strange as evidence is not only a sign that we are not looking for data but for entertainment, it is also a way of giving strength to the hoaxers.

just my two cents, sick n tired of seeing awesome video, later to find out its faked, or forgotten...

I think that the forgotten cases may be the real ones, they were not surrounded in "OMG!!!" and "SMOKING GUN!!!" titles to make people not look too closely, they were presented just as they existed.

wake up... if you don't see this then your BLIND!

But you should see that a possibility is just that, and not a certainty, and each time you base a possibility in another possibility you are getting farther away from it being possible.