The truth surrounding UFO’s / Aliens, For the newbies!

All serious researchers please contribute, all none believers just read and learn!

Ok let me make some things clear before posting the content I wish to post. This thread is not intended for people who want to debate whether the alien and ufo phenomena is real or not. The point of this thread is to collect into a single thread all of the STRONG! And hard to dismiss evidences surrounding the phenomena, So that we can have 1 thread to go to when the none believers question our views and points made (or question our sanity lol).

Please only post evidences that are near or totally impossible to dismiss as bull# (let’s not see any dodgy camera evidences or photos).

This way I hope that we can get the message out better and it would be good for future reference.

It would also be great if I could get admin co-operation on this thread to help keep it as intended. Hopefully we can come up with 1 thread with solid evidences surrounding the subject.

I guess the best place to start this hopefully long and informative thread is to acknowledge the work put together by a team founded by Dr Steven Greer at the Disclosure Project

(From www.disclosureproject.org...)

The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.
On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena.

Below I have sliced and uploaded a 16 minute clip to ATS which includes some of the more interesting witness statements from the National Press Club.

Date: February 9, 2009 - Disclosure witness Dan Willis was a guest on The Truth Brigade Radio show
media.abovetopsecret.com...


You can listen to the full recorded radio show here
truthbrigade.com...

You can watch all of the Witness statements in full at the following YouTube playlist link
www.youtube.com...

Please note that all these witness’s was and still are willing to take an oath in front of U.S. CONGRESS FOR HEARINGS & LEGISLATION on this matter. This was applied for but was denied by the bush administration.

I think you can all agree that all of the above should be enough to swing all of the none believers to believe the truth.

But we can go on, Another well funded and recognized organization is The National Press Club X-Conference
They have had Conference’s for the last 5 years, their most recent they and Edgar Mitchell (A former astronaut) demanded disclosure, see the following YouTube Video.

www.youtube.com...

You can find the playlist for the complete Conference here.
www.youtube.com...

There is also a thread similar to this which is titled Compilation: Some of the best UFO Cases (or the Classics) Which can be found here,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are many more things I could add but I’m getting tired plus if I do all the work I won’t leave any space for all of the other researchers here at ATS to add their findings. Please get adding and hopefully we can get the truth out.

Kindest regards TheFlashor.


[edit on 21/5/2009 by theflashor]

Originally posted by theflashor
All serious researchers please contribute, all none believers just read and learn!


I think you can all agree that all of the above should be enough to swing all of the none believers to believe the truth.
But we can go on, Another well funded and recognized organization is The National Press Club X-Conference
They have had Conference’s for the last 5 years, their most recent they and Edgar Mitchell (A former astronaut) demanded disclosure, see the following YouTube Video.

www.youtube.com...


Kindest regards TheFlashor.

[edit on 21/5/2009 by theflashor]

Great post Flashor! S & F! In that youtube video from the X-Conference, the man talking stated that a certain group had substantial political evidence from Rockefeller and the Clinton administration, if I remember him saying correctly. It's funny how he mentioned information from the Clinton administration because the National Archives just lost a hard drive with 2 Terabytes of information on it:

Clinton - Era hard drive lost from National Archives

Pretty interesting, eh? They claim it ONLY had 100,000 social security numbers on it (which I don't really understand that part) but no sensitive material was on it. Hmm, makes me wonder if there actually WAS some sensitive material on there...

reply to post by AllinTheMind89


Exactly mate, (although it don’t say they lost 2TB of data it only says it could hold 2TB of data)

But it does seem like an extremely large external hard drive to have just 100,000 social security numbers stored on it.

And as you are going into that direction. All we researchers all now know about the bush and Nazi ties. We also know the Nazi and Nicola Tesla ties.

For the serious researchers and for the people that want the truth check this link out (with picture evidence)
proliberty.com...

Then go you tube and google

Nikola Tesla



Funny most the US Presidents are closely tied as well. And I don’t understand why Hillary is in the Whitehouse how the feck she get there on Obama's Watch? It seems to me the whole election was one big soap opera or hillary knows how to pull strings.

[edit on 21/5/2009 by theflashor]

reply to post by theflashor


Ah, my bad on the misinterpretation of the Hard drive and whatnot. That is an interesting link and after I go to sleep (which I am soon since it's 5:30 am this time in the U.S. haha) I will research more. I've read a little on Nikola Tesla and I'm interested in these Bush/Nazi ties. Never really heard much about that before.

But, you do bring up a good point with how the hell Hilary got into the White House. I mean, really, no one wanted her as president, and I don't think anyone even wanted her in the White House either. You ask if she's been pulling strings. Well, she's 61 years old and she's used to pulling Tampon's out of her...well, I'm going to stop there, but you get the picture. I think it's safe to say she's had practice pulling strings...



[edit on 21-5-2009 by AllinTheMind89]

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I totally appreciate your contribution mate, I also hear what you are saying but let’s try and keep the jokes out of this thread as i think it’s a serious issue, and as a result I would like to keep this thread serious.

C’mon Fellow Ats'ers lets keep this thread purely Fact, Or supporting Evidence related material

The following is a small introduction quote from that article i posted in my previous post

What you are about to read is another step beyond research pioneered in the early 90s by author/historian Webster Tarpley based largely on deathbed “clues” provided by former Hitler bodyguard Otto Skorzeny and his box of photographs. Since Skorzeny’s death in 1999, the various leads he provided have been followed up and tend to support what, at first blush, would appear to be the unbelievable rantings of an embittered old man. What remains constant as we pore through publicly available official records, private correspondence, memoirs, newspaper articles, photos and other “clues” is that Bush family records (the ones that exist) are a puzzle palace of inconsistencies and curiosities.

Full article here proliberty.com...

Please let me emphasize to people wanting real truth
(AND YOU SHOULD IT IS IMPORTANT)
that you must read and spend a considerable amount of time researching, watch all that is being provided here for you. Trust me the unbelievable we become understandable and totally believable. As long as you are not dumb and you can read!
My Mission on this thread is to make your research easier, so that we all can get on the same page because nothing can be done about it until we do that.


[edit on 21/5/2009 by theflashor]

Nice post S & F

even though my interest in UFOs is keen, there is not much research that I do. Can you verify or deny the autheticity of the following people

Bob Lazar
Dan Burisch
Michael Wolf

I have seen all the material that is there on the internet about these 3 people, am convinced that they are telling the truth

Good points to bring up sunny_2008ny.
But to elaborate and show evidence’s on your points and for the fellow ATS’ers I disclose the following.
I believe Bob Lazar %100 I have no reason not to. And the guy knows what he is going on about just check out the following you tube videos parts 1 – 6
Part 1 can be found here
www.youtube.com...
You can find all the other 5 parts from the links at YouTube on the right hand side.

Michael Wolf I believe also %100 people should check out this video taken at his home.
Part 1
www.youtube.com...

Part 2
www.youtube.com...

Part 3
www.youtube.com...

Part 4
www.youtube.com...

Part 5
www.youtube.com...


And as for Dan Burisch I’m slightly on the fence about, I’m not sure if he is just a researcher or not but I’m not going to say it’s Bull# as his information does collaborate with other research I have done, you can make your own mind up about this.
He did an interview with project Camelot find the link here
Dan Burisch and Stargate Pt. 1 of 13
www.youtube.com...


[edit on 21/5/2009 by theflashor]

Here's a list of some of the very best starting material:

1. 'A Brief Proof of UFOs' (wiki)
   
2. 'The State of Ufology'
   
3. 'UFOs: Asking the Right Questions ...'
   
4. 'Free UFO Researcher Starter Pack'
   
5. 'Expert's short list'
   
6. 'Top 100 UFO cases - Revealed!'

[edit on 21-5-2009 by Xtraeme]

"Based upon the “deathbed confession” of Hitler’s bodyguard and master spy/assassin Otto Skorzeny, we were given a clue that George Herbert Walker Bush and his father Prescott Sheldon Bush were not who they pretended to be. By following the clue, we found other clues that began to support the claims of Skorzeny: That PSB is really GHSI and GHWB is really GHSII.

The result of this connect-the-dots research campaign is that the “master plan” for world domination has been exposed beyond a reasonable doubt. Much more can now be researched and written since the master planners are no longer able to hide In the fictitious realms of their propagandized history books and family biographies.

When will those who are “sworn to uphold the law” do so? When will our so-called American patriots finally find the backbone to confront these realities and demand an end to this madness?

Whether we realize it or not, the world is watching, America. What we decide to do about these issues will not only determine our fate, but the fate of the rest of the world. Are we to be led, like sheep, to our slaughter? Or will we finally wake up, get mad, and say, “Enough is enough!”

great article..

Great Thread!
This is not a Joke.
My intention is to show you the material that I have at this moment.
Well, first of all I coud give you some explanetions:
I'm an italian Lawyer, and I have evidences (proof) of Extraterrestrial Civilization hidden at the world and now exposed about the evidence (satellites images from official and public source) undeniable of an Extraterrestrial civilization, their huge buildings (dozens Km. square) and more, as you can see in those video that I posted on You Tube as.... "Insurance".
There are not Video footages or simple Ufo’s pics, but satellites images from Official source that reproduce huge buildings...and other...
I know that is too big story to believe, and you have my comprehention, but it is all true. Belive me...
I’m a rational person, even if I have the passion for this kind of arguments, but this to which are found forehead very goes beyond any fantasy or subjective interpretation. This that I have learned and seen has literally astounded me, and not I hide that I have found it hard to believe in this that I was observing. At the moment, however, the task that is entrusted me is only that to try to show to the average, within a short of time, this incredible discovery and to protect professionally, under all the points of view, the person who has entrusted to returned me and partecipe of this secret.
This person, has entrusted me in order to disclose this that he has found and he has bound to most absolute professional reserve and the total anonymity to me. I realize of vagueness of these affirmations, but, at the moment, I cannot say other in order not to compromise or to make useless my acts. The only indication that I can give you is that those IMAGES are officials, comes from public Agencies and Institutions and “are not of this world”: an irrefutable tests of an extraterrestrial civilization.

I consider this the sum of the evidence as incontrovertible.
Thanks for your attention.














[Mod Edit - embed video]

[edit on 21/5/2009 by Sauron]

reply to post by Taymour


Hi there Taymour, there is a problem with the videos. It says "Wrong URL".
Please fix it because I'm curious to death.

PS: btw, I'm italian too! Cumpa'!!!

Sorry to say this but...... this is the same shi& different day stuff.

Abductee's/experiencers are ignored ....look at papers which are hoaxed/faked.

Most know that until people see and experience this for themselves they will be on the fence.

You can write this for the newbies as you say but why waste your time............

Many of us have written all this before and we are right where we were five years ago.

I know, I know more then most about this subject as snooty as that sounds and there are many other members here at ATS that know more then the ones making the money off of we the abductee's/experiencers.

I won't intrude upon your thread but I felt a need to write what I wrote

Good luck to you my friend




[edit on 21-5-2009 by observe50]

Hope that I fixed the problem whit the video....
However The videos on You Tube are "Alien Civilization" 1, 2, 3, 4.

reply to post by theufologist


Ciao Ufologist! Grazie dell'avviso!
Spero tu possa vedere i video che ho immesso.
"Alien Civilization" 2, 3, 4.
Osserva con attenzione le immagini.

No. Sorry Taymour the same problem is still occuring.

Originally posted by bonsaisert
No. Sorry Taymour the same problem is still occuring.

My bad... the first lot are working now.

Originally posted by observe50
Most know that until people see and experience this for themselves they will be on the fence.
[edit on 21-5-2009 by observe50]

That is why I do not take photos, I have tried once or twice, and I will not go out with others any more if they bring a camera. I say look, you got all the proof you need, this is meant to be a one to one experience. Treat it as such.

Don't forget my man, Alex Collier. I just love this guy, I think he is telling things as he understands it 100%. He might not be 100% right, but as he understands it he is relating it 100%. I return to his video's over and over, and I just love his most recent ones.

www.youtube.com...

I think this is an excellent idea, and I hope this thread turns out to be just as you wish. But, you and Xtraeme have already posted some of the best evidence available, and I am not sure what else could be added other than linking to other threads here on ATS. As far as the Youtube vids by Taymour, well, it seems this thread is already going in the wrong direction. Those vids are useless, and show nothing in my opinion. I think you will definitely need the help of the staff or mods to keep out the "BS" and only have top notch info posted.
Like I said, great idea, and I really would like to see something come out of this, but there really isn't much more "solid" proof than what has already been posted.
S&F

Stealth

I think the Battle of Los Angeles is a powerful and compelling factor in the list of factual events.

Watch the entire broadcast and pay attention to the details about the attack towards the object and everything surrounding the event in general.





Peace, love and light.