Woman cuffed for not holding escalator handrail

Woman cuffed for not holding escalator handrail

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Bela Kosoian, a 38-year-old mother of two, says when she didn't hold the handrail Wednesday she was cuffed, dragged into a small holding cell and fined.

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It looks like Canada is following the U.S.'s footsteps when it comes to the police bullying people. I understand the woman did not do as she was asked, but handcuffed and held in a holding cell. Let's agree that this is excessive for simply not holding the rail on an escalator. Apparently it is law that all people must obey any sign posted in Montreal!

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As always... more to the story...

Ms. Kosoian, who grew up in Georgia when it was still part of the Soviet Union, says she didn't catch the officer's instruction to hold the rail when he first approached.

When he told her again to hang on, she says she replied, “I don't have three hands.” Besides, she had been sick and feared catching a new bug.

That's when the officer demanded identification so he could write her ticket, she said.

Ms. Kosoian started arguing. The officers handcuffed her and threw her into a small holding cell. The officers searched her bag and gave her a $100 ticket for failing to hold the banister and another $320 ticket for obstruction.

She resisted.

Once she heard what the officer said, she should have said.

"Yes, sir, I'll hold on" and then reach out and hang on to the rail. Nothing more, nothing less.

She resisted and got detained for it and then ticketed.

The problem here isn't with the police officer, it's with the silly law that is in place.

Originally posted by Mudman21


It looks like Canada is following the U.S.'s footsteps when it comes to the police bullying people. I understand the woman did not do as she was asked, but handcuffed and held in a holding cell. Let's agree that this is excessive for simply not holding the rail on an escalator. Apparently it is law that all people must obey any sign posted in Montreal!

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It might be that the U.S. is following the steps of Canada.
These programs are not being implemented because of the United States. The United States is a Republic which supposeldy should be against all forms of dictatorships.

The problem is the mega-rich people in power all around the world implementing these laws for a long time, and slowly trying, and succeding in dissolving Republics such as the United States, and other nations which used to be more or less freer than now.

[edit on 20-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Maybe she didn't want to put her hand inside the swine flu petri dish. I don't want to touch any escalator handrail either.

I always thought that holding the handrail was a suggestion rather than a command.

[edit on 5/20/2009 by sc2099]

Christmas bonus, pay raise, bad economy...

I guess everybody is looking for ways to make extra money during this bad economy. I think a warning would have been sufficient enough.

Originally posted by elevatedone

She resisted.

Once she heard what the officer said, she should have said.

"Yes, sir, I'll hold on" and then reach out and hang on to the rail. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Sorry but you are wrong on this one. This woman, like me came from a nation that was a full dictatorship, and she went to Canada, thinking it was a free country, yet to find Canada, like the United States are being turned into the same thing she, I, and millions, if not billions of people escaped from.

The officer should have had more humanity inside of him and realized the law was stupid, and not said a thing... She didn't do anything wrong at all...

Seriously if you can't understand this you have to take a good look at your values, and belief system.

This officer shouldn't have arrested this woman for, first of all not understanding this stupid law in a supposedly free country, and second of all being forced once again to do something which is not wrong, yet people are being forced to do because power hungry officials want to control everyone...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Star for you my friend! You just put into words what I was feeling over this perfectly!

reply to post by sc2099


I agree, I thought it was a suggestion as well. Oops. I think the other posters are right, probably the police are just looking for some extra cash. Kind of like how all the traffic lights here have mysteriously short yellow lights all of a sudden, and how cops just happen to be driving around constantly when I used to see zero of them.

For those of you who follow the law,

times are not going to get any easier for you.

I am not saying people should actively try to break laws.

I am saying that those who feel security in the law, who think that laws are always justified, and that we should always obey them no matter what, kneel down like sheep, turn the other cheek, etc.... You people are going to get bitten very severely if you have faith that you are going to be protected by these people that enforce these laws.

They don't care about you.

There is no one who going to defend what is actually right, except for yourself should you choose to do so.


I am glad this woman is planning on fighting what was done to her in court. It is completely incomprehensible to me, how these thugs in uniform can get away with what they do, when they are so far outnumbered by the people they victimize. Our lot by and large IS a bunch of sheep.


Carry on as you will....

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I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. those signs are simply for insurance and limited liability in case of accidents. You cannot be forced to adhere to a sign. I wish you could. I would put signs everywhere (Lift skirt here -->, Deposit $1 here^, Allow red-shirted man to front of line!).

Sure, she could have obeyed the officer for the sake of convenience, but it is certainly not required. I highly doubt there is a law on the books that says everyone must hold the handrail of an escalator. If there is no such law, then the officer can make no such demand.

I once argued with a police officer who was working security at a grocery store, about where I was parked. He threatened to right me a ticket, and I informed him he had no right. He was in his city uniform and he was having a serious Napoleon moment. I was not breaking any laws, or violating any posted no-parking zones. I was polite at first, but he was not and it escalated quickly. When I dialed 911 and informed them I was being harrassed by a "security guard" he went ballistic, but he left. He did not want his supervisor coming into the picture, and he did not want a formal complaint on his record for something he did off-duty in 'official' uniform. Later I got a letter from the grocery store that I was banned from shopping there. I immediately made a formal complaint about the police officer, made a copy of the complaint and sent to the grocery store headquarters, and carried a copy into the store manager. Within a week I had apologies from all three parties and $100 in coupons. Amazingly the officer continued to work there, and I spoke to him every time I entered the store. He never bothered me again.

It is inconvenient to stand-up for your rights. It is also inconvenient to study and know your rights. It is the duty of every citizen to bear this inconvenience and keep all the respective PTB where they belong. They are not taking away our rights; we are surrendering them freely!

Originally posted by elevatedone
She resisted.

Once she heard what the officer said, she should have said.

"Yes, sir, I'll hold on" and then reach out and hang on to the rail. Nothing more, nothing less.

She resisted and got detained for it and then ticketed.

The problem here isn't with the police officer, it's with the silly law that is in place.

Wrong. The problem IS with the officer. Ever heard of "discretion?" The law has a purpose, enforcement is dependent upon circumstances.

No, the problem is with people with 'apparent authority' lwho lack discretion.

When authoritarians impose "rules" without regard to common sense or propriety, they no longer deserve respect. Will this "cop" now be assigned to check for "Do Not Remove This Tag" violators?

We are not sheep and our 'police' must not be, either.

jw

This is Quebec after all, and you know those French folks. They always obey any law they pass. Too bad the cop didn't know there's an epidemic right now. maybe the lady will be lucky and the cop will get swine flu for his stupidity!


Zindo

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Your full of NWO propaganda. The police in a free society are there to protect the peaceful goings and comings to public areas. This lady did nothing. The police are acting like gestapo. Ironic that after Hitler dies his legacy lives on in america, canada, brasil

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Granted I do not live in Canada nor do I know whether or not it is a law to hold a handrail, but just as in the US if it gets to the point where such a thing can be made a law then it is time rethink your entire society structure. What the hell on earth thinks anyone , LE, Government, whoever thinks they have the right to tell someone to hold a handrail?

[edit on 20-5-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

Wow. I cannot believe anybody would support the police on this one. It seriously blows my mind. Arrested for not holding a hand rail? Wow wow wow. I'm a Canadian myself and if a cop tried pulling this one on me I wouldn't be able to help myself from laughing I would think the cop was joking.

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Has anyone here every seen anyone fall off of an escalator?

I have, twice. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does... there is definitely more than one person involved. Both times I saw it, it was because someone wasn't holding onto the handrail because they were, well the first person was dancing on the escalator and the second person was fumbling through a small briefcase.

An escalator is a PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION DEVICE. It's just like a highway, with other commuters on it. When you create a safety infraction on any type of public transportation device, you are liable to suffer the consequences of not only putting yourself in danger, but everyone else who is using the device at the time.

Contrary to popular belief, most handrails on escalators and airport people movers are likely more sterile than your face due to the fact that many use antimicrobial coating, uv-lights, and the.. yes, those little scrubber looking things at the ends? Yes, they continually disinfect the escalator hand rails.

If you are really concerned about the germs from standard safety hand rails today, you should probably be walking around with a mask on, and perhaps an oxygen tank because you're getting the much more microbes from the air.

This woman probably caught 100x more microbes from the officer than she would have from touching the escalator. If it employed any of the sanitation methods I've mentioned that it is almost 100% certain (unless a rotting zombie with aids and plague was coughing on it)

Originally posted by bsbray11
For those of you who follow the law,

times are not going to get any easier for you.

I am not saying people should actively try to break laws.

I am saying that those who feel security in the law, who think that laws are always justified, and that we should always obey them no matter what, kneel down like sheep, turn the other cheek, etc.... You people are going to get bitten very severely if you have faith that you are going to be protected by these people that enforce these laws.

They don't care about you.

There is no one who going to defend what is actually right, except for yourself should you choose to do so.


I am glad this woman is planning on fighting what was done to her in court. It is completely incomprehensible to me, how these thugs in uniform can get away with what they do, when they are so far outnumbered by the people they victimize. Our lot by and large IS a bunch of sheep.


Carry on as you will....

And yet, if we really are going to win our fight against nwo, and fascism we have to 1) understand the difference between law and legislation and not obey. 2) make noise over everything and write, email, phone and use our feet to say NO NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! 3) if they actually are stupid enough, after we've said NO loud and clear, then not only will they never see public office again (this is in our ballpark) but we have to IGNORE THE LEGISLATION and NOT FOLLOW. Now obviously this isn't going to work if only one or two people who are smart and brave do this. WE ALL HAVE TO!

And I don't believe in martrys. To me, we stand up for each other. WE SIGN ROUND TABLE PARITITIONS. When the cops show up for one, we all notice and show up and resist arrest in large unmanageable crowds, and tell them IT IS A CRIME TO OBEY AN UNJUST LAW THAT WE PERCEIVE AS A CRIME, and then we preform citizens arrests if they don't stop. We need to attend courts in the same manner, in large unmanageable amounts.

This, is how you do it folks. There is no other way.

Originally posted by elevatedone

She resisted.

Once she heard what the officer said, she should have said.

"Yes, sir, I'll hold on" and then reach out and hang on to the rail. Nothing more, nothing less.

She resisted and got detained for it and then ticketed.

The problem here isn't with the police officer, it's with the silly law that is in place.

yea but no

i gotta disagree with you here

if we were slaves, then yea we should listen to everything a officer says with no questions

these are free countries,


the whole resisting arrest thing is acceptable in many circumstances

but what right does a cop have to arrest you for not holding on to a railing??

cops are gaining TOO MUCH POWER

cops are humans, everyone can be wrong from time to time, cops too

we should have the right to tell a cop when they are being absurd

there, the cop is being absurd

also the cop should be humble enough to know when to realize and admit he was wrong or concede defeat

you want to give a ticket for that? fine

but to handcuff and detain over something that stupid?

thats a waste of resources, a pathetic waste

and a act of escalation

what happened to police being able to deal with people and handle the situation?
now police cant de-escalate a situation to save their life, litteraly

it should be the cops duty to de-escalate the situation

the law is there im sure to keep people safe on the escalator

the cop, escalated the situation to a situation that had potentially dangerous consequences, he took one relatively harmless situation and escalated it to something worse

laws lately are overboard, and enforcement is overly done on the stupidest of things

not so much canada but i know the USA was created to have a small government with the power in the peoples hands

now we have a law for everything, and that is not what the forefathers intended



back on topic

the officer after saying it, should have just walked away and dealt with something MUCH more important


when this world is safe from murder, tyranny, and assault, and many other things

then maybe ill agree a cop should arrest someone over a railing offense

Originally posted by Mudman21

Apparently it is law that all people must obey any sign posted in Montreal!

me sees some real fun for montreal sign makers a "passengers must moonwalk off the escalator" would be a laff

[edit on 20-5-2009 by Aceofclubs]