ISRAEL with no arms

How long would it take if israel was completly cut off from the us OIL, FOOD, AMMO ,WEAPONS ,FIGHTERJETS, TANKS, APC'S ,TRAINING ,BLACKWATER , MONEY

for the arabs to reclaim there lost land ?
my bet >6 months this may seem incredibly optimistic but hear me out without money from america there financial system is more vulnerable and there economy is going to take a hit not a big one just a small one now i did say that the us wouldn't supply any of the above so once a tank is gone (us tank) it's gone and any parts MADE IN AMERICA are non renewable it would take weeks just weeks for israels airforce to be weakened

by the way mi was thinking in terms of the hezbollah conflict but with Iran, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt the whole nine yards getting involved and FYI this is a fair fight according to 1 x = x soldiers israel would be screwed... your comments welcome

Originally posted by rationaluser
How long would it take if israel was completly cut off from the us OIL, FOOD, AMMO ,WEAPONS ,FIGHTERJETS, TANKS, APC'S ,TRAINING ,BLACKWATER , MONEY

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"If"? How about never. Israel crushes throats for us in the middle east. They only way funding would be cut-off is "if" America got destroyed.

reply to post by rationaluser



So, you are wondering how long it would take before Israel was overrun and every man, woman and child were butchered by her enemies?

Got alot of time on your hands, huh?

Read a little history, my friend and see what the Israelis have done in the past, before the Good Ol' USA decided to "help out".
The Israelis, like it, or for that matter them, or not, from the tone of your post, are quite willing and able to keep the line of David alive.
More power to them.

If the likes of Syria & Iran knew America wouldn't back Israel if attacked, a split second. If they cut them off over a period of time, well then the forementioned countries would stage a false flag I think and go from there.

Just my opinion of what would happen.

If I were a betting man. I would bet on the Israeli's. They could always machine replacement parts and they would still find a way to get financial support from fellow Jews around the world. They could always find a nice muslim country in the neighborhood that has oil and decimate it.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


SHHHH!!! don't give them any ideas.
Being serious here, the USA and Israel are so interleaved with one another, there is now way out of this.
Rest assured however, should the SHTF in the USA, we will quickly find out who our friends are or more accurately are not.
Whatever!!!

READ THE BIBLE. a large force will be on israel's borders ready to crush them when Jesus will come own and without one shot fired the ENEMY will be destroyed.

Pick side carefully.

Wow that's about 7 more replies than i expected now ...someone mentioned or implied that i don't like the Jews i think the Jews have as much right to exist as the Americans however i do not support there religion i do not support ANY religion Abraham Taoist or any theistic religion. I find the whole concept utterly ridiculous and is the VERY reason we have a flash point in the middle east if anything should be boycotted it is religion this VILE evil disgusting thing that held us back in the CHRISTIAN DARK AGES from carrying out SCIENTIFIC ADVANCEMENT and this VILE thing called Judaism which has bored the words (and im paraphrasing here) "THIS LAND IS OURS BECAUSE OUR BOOK SAYS SO" this vile disgusting thing called islam that extremists say justifies killing innocent civilians if religion were to "run out" there would probably be peace by tomorrow go ahead have your divisions in your religion keep killing each other for your deluded beliefs and continue to not see past your own noses while positively affirming your belief system by ignoring this post and denying the truth that there is NO GOD and the sooner everyone knows that fact the sooner we can pump money into science and find cures for terminal desieses and useful # rather than keeping a belief in some ridiculous scripture that says jesus will come back in the year 2000 i mean 2006 i mean 2012 yeah that'll do it 2012 every 6 years an apocalyptic prophecy comes to pass without Jesus you fundamentalists watch to many holywood films.

anyway i hope you have a good day ^^
BTW post still related to middle east both islam and judaism are in middle east and i went on a rant big deal im takeing a leaf out of dawkins book.

reply to post by LAUGHING-CAT


You mean like get their asses thoroughly kicked until supplied with US arms and intelligence in 1973, or do you perhaps meaning slaughtering villages with Czechoslovakian weapons back in 1948?

reply to post by rationaluser


I don't think that anyone has implied that you are anti-Jew or anti-Semitic with the posts so far. You asked a question, and you have gotten several responses, most of which disagree with your premise.

Were you hoping for someone to call you an anti-Semite?

In any event, if the US bails on Israel, I am confident that they will make other aliances. One thing that the Israelis are good at is surviving.

Check out this article: Russia 'will buy Israeli drones'

An industry source in Israel said Russian generals had been impressed with the Israeli drones used by Georgia in the conflict.

Reports say the Israeli planes will cost a total of $50m (£35m).

Russia's deputy defence minister, Vladimir Popovkin, was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying the military had signed a contract to buy an unspecified number of pilotless drones.

"I was in Israel and even operated one," RIA-Novosti quoted him as saying.

Israel will do whatever it needs to do in order to achieve their only foreign policy goal - to survive.

It's common knowledge Israel couldn't survive without US and EU backing. If you just google about Israeli's spies you will find how Israel stole the technology and even nuclear secrets from US which they traded with Russia of some immigration quotas.

It's still not clear inspite of knowing all this why US backs such a enemy.

Originally posted by pluckynoonez

Originally posted by rationaluser
How long would it take if israel was completly cut off from the us OIL, FOOD, AMMO ,WEAPONS ,FIGHTERJETS, TANKS, APC'S ,TRAINING ,BLACKWATER , MONEY

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"If"? How about never. Israel crushes throats for us in the middle east. They only way funding would be cut-off is "if" America got destroyed.

I sense this is arrogance and yea crushes throats how bout takes it from behind with Hezbollah raping it's ass during the Lebanon conflict not 3 years ago come back in 10 years then reaffirm that statement you just made and America doesn't need to be destroyed that's an appeal to emotion and you know it.

hezbolla didnt "rape" israel, hezbollas leader still cant leave his bunker for fear of israeli missles and drones over head.

last time i check israel is still standing, so no victory to hezbolla.
on the other hand they stopped firing missles....

We aren't about to stop siding with israel.....especially with obama in office.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

or do you perhaps meaning slaughtering villages with Czechoslovakian weapons back in 1948?

Hmm, Egypt, Syria,Jordan,Lebanon and Iraq are villages? Because they send armies. In 1948. After they declared war on Israel. War started on 15th of may and Israel first fighter squadron was born on 20th of May. And on 15th of may "villagers" from Egypt bombed Tel Aviv. "Villagers" from Syria, Egypt and Iraq had tanks.
Oh those villains from Israel, they bought arms only to slaughter villages.

By the way, if Israel would be cut off from US, since Israel is exporter of food and weapons (i would prefer cars but this is how it goes with peacefull villagers all around) , there are people who come train here from abroad, and economy so far is ok (leaning toward so-so though) - the real problem would be oil, fighter jets an ammo. Oil does not come from US only, so are planes and ammo.
I would not agree on 6 months. Or six years. Beyond that - history plays us, not vice versa.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

or do you perhaps meaning slaughtering villages with Czechoslovakian weapons back in 1948?

Hmm, Egypt, Syria,Jordan,Lebanon and Iraq are villages? Because they send armies. In 1948. After they declared war on Israel. War started on 15th of may and Israel first fighter squadron was born on 20th of May. And on 15th of may "villagers" from Egypt bombed Tel Aviv. "Villagers" from Syria, Egypt and Iraq had tanks.
Oh those villains from Israel, they bought arms only to slaughter villages.

No, the people of these following town and villages were villagers:

Amqa, July 10, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,438
Arab al-Samniyya, October 30, 1948. Pre-war population; 232
al-Bassa, May 27, 1948. Pre-war population; 3,422
al-Birwa, June 11, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,694
al-Damun, July 15, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,520
Dayr al-Qasi, October 30, 1948. Pre-war population; 2,668
al-Ghabisiyya, May 1, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,438
Iqrit, November 1, 1948. Pre-war population: 568
Khirbat 'Iribbin, October 30, 1948. Pre-war population; 418
Khirbat Jiddin, July 11, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,500
al-Kabri, May 21, 1948. Pre-war population; 6,218
Kafr Bir'im, October 30, 1948. Pre-war population; 710
Kafr 'Inan, February 1, 1948. Pre-war population; 418
Kuwaykat, July 10, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,218
al-Manshiyya, May 14, 1948. Pre-war population; 940
Al-Mansura, November 1, 1948. Pre-war population; 2,300
Mi'ar, July 15, 1948. Pre-war population; 893
al-Nabi Rubin, November 1, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,400
al-Nahr, May 21, 1948. Pre-war population; 708
al-Ruways, July 15, 1948. Pre-war population; 383
Sha'ab, July 18, 1948. Pre-war population; 6,000
Suhmata, October 30, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,311
al-Sumayriyya, may 14, 1948. Pre-war population 882
Suruh, November 1, 1948. Pre-war population; 991
al-Tall, May 21, 1948. Pre-war population; 348
Tarbikha, November 1, 1948. Pre-war population; 1,160
Umm al-Faraj, May 21, 1948. Pre-war population; 928
al-Zeeb, May 14, 1948. Pre-war population; 2216

These are all towns that were captured and depopulated by Israel. That is, 28 towns and villages destroyed, 43,922 People killed or displaced.

And that's just in the Acre subdistrict. Would you like me to list the towns and villages razed and destroyed by Israelis in Baysan, Bethlehem, Beersheba, Gaza, Haifa, Hebron, Jaffa, Jericho, Jerusalem, Jenin, Nablus, Nazareth, al-Ramlus, Ramallah, Safad, Tiberias, and Tulkarm? because I promise they're all comparable to what I just showed you from Acre.

Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
Read a little history, my friend and see what the Israelis have done in the past, before the Good Ol' USA decided to "help out".
The Israelis, like it, or for that matter them, or not, from the tone of your post, are quite willing and able to keep the line of David alive.
More power to them.

www.authenticjews.com

www.hebrewisraelites.org

www.angelfire.com...

www.israelitechat.com...

www.israelitechat.com...


People like you are purporting that everyone who practices Judaism (the meaning of today's so-called "Jews") are of the 12 tribes of Israel. This is dangerous thinking because it is not true. Inform yourself and learn to repeat the truth.

Jews = ANYONE who practices the man-made religion of Judaism.

Israelite = Descendant bloodline of the tribes of Israel.

BTW, prophecy says the ISRAELITES are currently scattered, no way are the "Jews" occupying Israel fit scriptural facts of the identify of the 12 tribes. Read the links I posted and hopefully you and your fellow cheated and indoctrinated Americans whom support Israel out of blatant falsity will learn the truth. I believe the end-time is starting and everyone should know exactly who's playing what role.

It's not entirely the Jews fault people like you are stereotyping everyone who practice Judaism as the Israelites of ancient and whom God chose as his children, but I don't see them teaching their sheep the truth either.

Disclaimer - I DON'T care whether the Israelites are green, red, or orange, but the scriptures make it quite clear who they are and I only choose to follow the truth.

In fact it can be said that out of all of today's Judaism-practitioners only 1% are of the bloodline of the tribes. God made it clear that his children are the bloodlines of Israel (not today's Israel, in fact I think its quite wrong they named their country that...it obviously confuses indoctrinated Christians and innocent truth seekers), never did he mention his children were those who practiced the man-made religion called Judaism.



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reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Captured and depopulated ,while is surely wrong when applied to civilian population, is still not slaughtered.
The purpose of military shipments was to fight off relatively well-equiped foreign armies and local militias, not ethnically cleansing villages.
Even in Deir Yassin crime, were Palestinian civilians were indeed slaughtered , it was not done by main Yishuv forces using Czechoslovakian weponry, surely. But by right wing extremist groups. This case resulted in great deal of criticism, justified, however there were killed 100 plus. And this was considered a crime even in cruel times of 1948,response to it is well documented. So are few other examples of such atrocities (like Al-Dawima and few others) with 800 civilians probably killed. All around the area.
By the way, "and" is very dangerous weapon. There is huge difference between person becoming displaced and person killed. 100 civilians killed resulted in serious issue. You tell me that there were 43922 civilians "killed and relocated"? How many were killed , during the war?
Palestinian losses were about 10000 people. Arab liberation army, Holy war army and local militias are all together very close to that number.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Captured and depopulated ,while is surely wrong when applied to civilian population, is still not slaughtered.
The purpose of military shipments was to fight off relatively well-equiped foreign armies and local militias, not ethnically cleansing villages.
Even in Deir Yassin crime, were Palestinian civilians were indeed slaughtered , it was not done by main Yishuv forces using Czechoslovakian weponry, surely. But by right wing extremist groups. This case resulted in great deal of criticism, justified, however there were killed 100 plus. And this was considered a crime even in cruel times of 1948,response to it is well documented. So are few other examples of such atrocities (like Al-Dawima and few others) with 800 civilians probably killed. All around the area.

"attack with the aim of conquest, the killing of adult males, [and] the destruction and torching of the villages of Kabri, Umm al Faraj and al Nahar."

These are the operational orders of the Carmeli brigade of Haganah. The orders were followed to the letter. Dov Yirimya, company commander of the 21st battalion, explained in an interview with Guy Erlich for the Israeli newspaper Ha'ir in 1992, how his company had them en of al-Kabri dig trenches, and then machine-gunned them. He speaks of his battalion commander Dov Tschitchiss pulling over to gun down a father fleeing with his daughter. You can find the article easily enough - "Not only Dier Yassin" is the title, the journalist's name is Guy Ehrlich.

Again, this is just Acre - Operation Ben'Ami. We can go down the list of districts if you like.

Now, here's the thing... You were denying that there were any massacres, any depopulations, any slaughters. Yet here you are now, admitting to "some" while simultaneously attempting to defend and justify them. Now this is an improvement over outright denying that any of these events took place, as you were doing in your previous post. I suppose that just as David Irving can't accept that Auschwitz wasn't a summer ping pong camp for delightful jewish youngsters, YOU can't accept that the Arab people of Palestine were murdered, intimidated, purged, and cleansed from their homes.

You say Dier Yassin was perpetrated by "right-wing extremist groups" - Yes, Irgun and Lehi were involved. But so was the armed wing of Haganah, the Palmach. The main body of Haganah also resupplied ammunition and arms to Lehi and Irgun when they ran low. Oh, and let's not forget that after Israel declared independence, irgun became part of the IDF. Oh, and so was Lehi.

But let's play your obfuscating denier game and stick with Irgun and Lehi. You say it was recognized as a criminal act. Okay. Who in Irgun, Lehi, or Palmach was sentenced for this war crime and hanged (As was the execution style of the day)? Next question, how many were not and were instead decorated and went on to illustrious careers in Israeli politics?

Crime pays in Israel, evidently. The Mafia should look into this, you think?

By the way, "and" is very dangerous weapon. There is huge difference between person becoming displaced and person killed. 100 civilians killed resulted in serious issue. You tell me that there were 43922 civilians "killed and relocated"? How many were killed , during the war?

43,922 (likely many more uncounted, I couldn't find figures for several villages) in the district of Acre alone. Even if only one in a hundred people were killed, that's still 440 people in Acre that were murdered. And there are several more districts - again, I can go down the line. But I suppose that the numbers aren't something you actually care to see, since up until right now, you were proclaiming the number to be zero, anyway.

You realize that the forced relocation is a war crime, yes? Good. So we're on the same page. Israel committed war crimes. it has war criminals in its government. its military is made of "right-wing extremist groups" (if they were Arabs I'll bet you'd call them "terrorists") and to date still has not been held accountable for this.

Now if you're willing to backpedal, even a little bit, on your denial of the nakba, I suppose you'd be willing to backpedal a bit here as well, and admit that israel needs to pay for the crimes committed.

Palestinian losses were about 10000 people. Arab liberation army, Holy war army and local militias are all together very close to that number.

"Local militias" - You mean the men who were trying to keep their villages from being destroyed by invading Israeli forces? Well, okay. Now, the Arab Liberation Army wasn't Palestinian (it was primarily Syrian). And the Holy War Army, while it was Palestinian, numbered only about a thousand men. Oh, are you aware that Israel did not (and still does not) count civilians when it measures casualties?

Once again, you're defending mass murder. I hope to see you doing the same when the Basij really starts slaughtering all those Iranian protesters. I mean you wouldn't want to look like a bigot or something, so it behooves you to defend murder wherever it happens, right?

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