Biden Caught Off Guard by 911 Conspiracy Theorists

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by ExPostFacto

 

Doesn't seem like a possible thing does it.

If they weren't discovered then they couldn't have been there. Which leans me towards the study being a lie.

Unless somebody invented time travel.

If thats the case I want to go back to November 5, 1955.

What about, that it was invented before the patent was sought? Really the only thing saying this new type of thermite wasn't invented at the time of 9/11 was the filing of the patent after the fact, a year or so later.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by jd140

 

The report says an estimated 10 tons of nano thermite (that hadn't even been developed yet, and wasn't developed yet until a year later in a USA labratory) was in the dust particles of the WTC...

I'm no expert, but I'd say that just because we are TOLD nano thermite wasn't developed until 1 year after 9/11 does not in any way shape or form mean its true. That just seems way too convenient.

I don't know how to quote external sources, but for those who may not know, the Thermite reaction was initially discovered and patented back in the 1800's, and the military has been using it in hand grenades since WWII, according to Wikipedia.

Source

Now, that of course doesnt really prove anything, but I'd say its possible, and probable, that SOMEONE had access to 'nano thermite' long before it became known to the public.

If you forward this view to everyone on your email list ... it would go a long way to getting to the bottom of this 911 delima. thank you BornPatriot

I like the way he deals with it by walking away.
Yay, if that's how politicians respond to intelligently-worded questions, maybe we need a full investigation.
However, I am concerned that the 'rabbithole' is so deep that all they will do is continue to obfuscate.

Ok, Couple things i see on this.

A. Good question, Very bad appraoch on this, which ultimatley would send anyone just walking away. this guy pushed and pushed and gave zero room for an answer .. hell this guy answered for him.

B. Its interesting bidens facial reaction on the question being posed .. Up until the guy was just getting blatantly ennoying.

C. Why the hell didn't the question posed a direct question then back the F off and let the politician do thier mistake rather then keep talking as if not realy wanting the politician to respond.

reply to post by ExPostFacto


Does the military patent much of what it makes before the public is aware of it?
I think that is what you call a rhetorical question. The military could be using nano-thermate for decades. They'd only patent it before they sold it to another country or made it public.

I'm unfamiliar with "nano-thermate" myself --- is this just a fancy word for "ground more finely and using purer substances?" I would think it would make the reaction faster and hotter, but wouldn't be SO very different from regular thermate. Probably for use in a fuel-air reaction. So you would detonate a whole area without a single source -- liquifying most of the material in the area but not creating much of a blast -- maybe an implosion if anything.

It's interesting. But the WTC has been rendered useless as a crime scene. They destroyed all the scrap metal after they TOLD us what happened.

You know, the same people that lied about reasons for war, got us into Iraq, tortured people to create a connection, lied about that, got cronies to find legal excuses justifying the torture, lied about that, told us we needed to fund a bunch of banks after telling us everything was fine or else the economy would collapse. I'm missing about ten pages of lies here.

I prefer to conclude that the Bush government had a hand in 9/11 until they prove otherwise.

>> This interchange with Joe Biden means nothing;
1) No politician is going to answer some guy with an answer they haven't prepared out of the blue like that, because it will only bite them later.
2) Biden is just shocked about the question -- probably doesn't know what thermate is (though he is pretty well read on most matters).
3) You are asking the wrong man a question.

Maybe we should ask John McCain who those 4 specialists were who concluded that the Anthrax came from al Qaeda were.

Ask the NIST why they lied about the rate of collapse on WTC 7.

Ask Biden if he has talked to Susan Lindaeur or Siebel Edmunds yet.


>> Really folks, we were just TOLD what happened from the least trustworthy Americans EVER.

We are supposed to dot every I and cross every T without even being presented any facts we can rely on? Everybody who thinks there is a conspiracy is suddenly a conspiracy theorist. I didn't have any conspiracies before 9/11 beyond coming to the realization that agencies in our government help ship drugs (and that's been proven). I didn't stay up late at night, thinking what the hidden meaning of Ruby Ridge or any of the other unsolved mysteries were.

Well the steaming pile of nonsense and coincidence leading to 9.11 and the concerted effort to destroy information and hinder an investigation makes it LOOK like a criminal conspiracy even if everything were innocent.

We didn't see this nonsense after the 1st WTC attack.

>> Anyway, just my two cents. Biden wouldn't be told a thing. Bush and company have been attempting to drive a wedge between him and the CIA -- requiring Obama to go visit the CIA and explain he had no interest in prosecuting agents for conspiracies. Why do you think he needed to do that? Because he is trying to prevent the CIA going into full CYA mode, and shutting him out -- or worse.

What purpose does Cheney's world tour serve? Who is he convincing? If anything, he points a red flag at himself. Pelosi may have ties with AIPAC, but trying to pin things on her is going to send her into Self-Defense mode -- making a Truth Commission over torture more likely.

But what did Cheney accomplish? He is tying himself in with evidence of ANY CIA progress with the war on terror and use of ILLEGAL techniques. If Cheney has to defend himself -- and it requires information that is top secret and compromises intelligence, no trial will take place. Since there likely is no support for Cheney's claims, he still pushes the CIA and intelligence communities to defend themselves AND Cheney.

Look at this Cheney character now. Look at how self-serving he is. If he ever did ANYTHING for his country, in this "noble lie" -- he thinks the ends justify the means. But here he is, risking national security and all his allies on saving his own precious rear. Is THAT the kind of guy, who would blink twice at a False Flag event? This guy wants you to fall on your sword CIA, not to defend the nation, but so that Dick Cheney can enjoy another bumper year at Haliburton pealing potatoes for the military and selling them tainted water.

Sure defending him might NOT jeopardize security, but it's his own rhetoric to cover every action. It is conveniently trotted out or stowed away whenever the need to not answer an inconvenient question arose.

The Bush government was full of Rumsfeld's, Atwaters and Cheney's. They had the money to hire people with brains. They had the ethics. Nothing stopping them but the keen investigative nose of the media and the astuteness of the American Public from doing anything.

Hey, look at Katrina. Spent 3 months getting ice to the disaster. They looked pretty confused. Did you know during the first week, they closed 144 public schools? People are still standing around in putrid water waiting for rescue, and the Bush government is doing paperwork on closing schools.

If you look at the past 10 years in reverse, you get a better idea of priorities.

>> But Joe Biden is pretty well read but innocent as politicians go, and that's why I was never a fan of his. Perhaps he will get a crash course in the duplicitous snakes he is dealing with.

One really positive thing about this question of Biden about thermate that comes to mind -- now that I think about it. Is, that sometimes you can't get these politicos like Biden or Nancy Pelosi to lift a finger because they don't want to make waves. They want to collect the lobbyists money, do a decent job, but not make anyone dislike them enough to stand in the way of collecting more favors and power.

You know, non-evil, non-glorious, run-of-the-mill career politicians.

You want an investigation that has some heated chest pounding but not put the witnesses under oath? Ask Biden or even better, Arlen "Warren Report" Specter. It's important as a politician to have a few big investigations that went nowhere. Big Oil loves you Specter.

But when Pelosi got blamed by the CIA and other Bush rats for being informed about torture and doing nothing -- what happened? Well, now we see a determined tiger. I happen to believe Pelosi, because I seriously doubt anyone from the PNAC was going to risk her standing in their way. Zero chance that they'd do anything but obscure it, and then accuse her of reading the pure truth later -- just what we saw.

But if more of us accuse or implicate, people of power who had nothing to do with 9/11 or other Bush crimes -- then perhaps their desire to cover their rears, will help us out. The greed and cynicism of common politicians (sorry, broad brush -- there are some really great people like Feinstein and Kucinich), is only superseded by their Fear of getting tarred and feathered.

Really, they know as well as we do that the truth doesn't much matter unless you've got a bullhorn and three media outlets.

If the rumors flew in the media, and maybe the NeoCon support group could help us out by accusing Biden and a few others as well -- the NeoCons could help us expose them, because they will have finally motivated people in power, who wanted to calmly deal with the day-to-day and let the whole mess pass quietly into history.

But I'm not ready to give up trying the SOBs on torture and the 9/11 False Flag -- and if it takes making the current administration co-conspirators, then so be it.

I only read a few of the first responses on the first page, but almost all of you forget the bigger question of why didn't Biden answer and flee'd the scene. Its irrelevant what the dude looks like or how he presents himself, he's still a human being asking a question and he deserves respect especially from "our" vice president.

It comforts me that we have brave men like him to actually question scum bags in our white house. Americans really need to wake up.

reply to post by ExPostFacto



That would be alot of people to keep quiet.

Maybe it was there, maybe it wasn't.

I lean toward it wasn't. Soon everybody will back off the nano thermite arguement because the next big study will come out and claim something else brought it down.

People should know by now that Biden is only allotted one gaffe per week, and this question came a little too soon.

If he knows anything about 9-11, give him just a few more days, ask him again, drill him hard and he will sing like a canary.

What I thought was interesting is that he took the report paper and looked at it very briefly, he didn't know about it.

Was he surprised that this is published information?
Biden's been around the block, and has top security clearance, I wonder what he knows?

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


He doesn't know anything.

Your still wondering about that?


I'm kidding. I don't think he knew anything about that memo. I don't think DC really cares about 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

I can relate.

Look, I have an open mind and am willing to consider both sides about Joe Biden. But I see no proof of him knowing a thing about 9/11.

The same reason that I KNOW that Pelosi wasn't briefed by BushCo and their CIA cronies is the same reason I know that Biden hasn't had a briefing about nano-thermate; because crooks don't go out of their way to incriminate themselves.

It doesn't matter if you think Biden is corrupt or not (I never seen any reason to think so -- but whatever) -- even if he is a mob boss -- the other mob boss's aren't going to give him leverage.

The CIA is worried about getting implicated on the torture program, so they probably are giving Obama only what the absolutely have to give him in his daily briefing.

The former administration is probably offering threats and bribes in equal measure -- but not information that could hang them.

I would think with all the paranoia here, there would be some understanding of how paranoid people behave. If we snap and jump at every shadow, we look like a bunch of fools.

>> But it may be productive to GO AFTER this administration for a 9/11 cover up, because if we make it their problem, they will have to CYA and actually do something about it.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


Pelosi knew.

She already said that she was told that it was being used. Her defense is that she wasn't told personally. She didn't attend a brief where it was said that they were waterboarding. Her assistant was present at that briefing and relayed that information.

Her words.

Take your blinders off and pay attention to her words.


Besides, this subject is about who knew. She opened a big can of worms when she accused the CIA of lying. If she simply said "I wasn't told" and left it at that then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Accusing the CIA of lying to Congress is implying a felony occured and that has to be dealt with.

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Do you have a link for here saying that she knew?

Because now she is saying she wasn't told.

"A big can of worms when she accused the CIA of lying." Yeah, helping someone pad a resume. Parts of the CIA were pointing out that Iran wasn't a threat while Bush was trying to provoke something with them. The other half were saying they were a threat.

Half of the CIA is always lying.

Moderator please change\correct the title so it doesnt seem so ify... after all it is scientic evidence thats pretty damn conclusive... either it was or was not and I think the test was repeated and repeated... so its sort of like Concrete... that supports the Inside Job Theroy than the Official Fairy Tale.... After all this has been bonifide and lagitimized beyond a shadow of a doubt... so why the doubting Title for this thread...someone doing some preimptive damage control... and you call yourselves Americans .... how insulting...

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Originally posted by dariousg
reply to post by CaptGizmo

 

It was a very interesting reaction. At least he didn't blow the guy off completely. He actually looked at the document but I believe the biggest issue is with the image of the guy that presented it.

I hate to say this but he was unshaven with long hair. Kind of hippyish. That right there will probably set most people off to actually listening to anything he has to say.

Biden actually blew him off in a nicer way than say Rudy would have.

I agree, BIden wanted to look at that report and probably would have engaged further if Hurley from lost didn't take it too far and start questioning the 'trust'

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by jd140

 

Do you have a link for here saying that she knew?

Because now she is saying she wasn't told.

"A big can of worms when she accused the CIA of lying." Yeah, helping someone pad a resume. Parts of the CIA were pointing out that Iran wasn't a threat while Bush was trying to provoke something with them. The other half were saying they were a threat.

Half of the CIA is always lying.

Here you go.

If you require a differant source let me know or you can google it, turn the tv on, switch on the radio, read a news paper or talk to the guy living under a rock.

www.nypost.com...

awsome video! biden was dumb founded. We need more people like that reporter. id like to see bush's or obama's response to that question.

Originally posted by aorAki
I like the way he deals with it by walking away.
Yay, if that's how politicians respond to intelligently-worded questions, maybe we need a full investigation.
However, I am concerned that the 'rabbithole' is so deep that all they will do is continue to obfuscate.

Unless they are confronted by a question from a major network, or get a softball question -- then this is EXACTLY what most politicians do.

Biden already gets in trouble for speaking his mind. None of these guys would last a day if they answered every question -- because the press would pick it apart.

There was ZERO chance that anyone in a top position in this government was going to answer a question about 9/11 -- much less nano thermate.

There is absolutely nothing proved or disproved in this incident. You could have asked him about what happened to the D.C. Madam -- he'd walk away from the question.