Never having to go through the death process...

Hey ATS'ers,

I have a question that I would really enjoying having your opinions on!

I am a young woman - 30ish - healthy to date - really hopes there is a God but I cant say with honesty that I KNOW he exists. As an intellectual, thats just hard to buy - completely. For me at this point in life.

But lets say I do believe! I am with the faith! Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior! Amen! if that were the case - and this is my question: Do YOU feel like The Lord will come to get us before people my age gets old and die of natural causes? Do YOU think we will ever have to literally DIE.

Or! Will The Lord come to us and just take up all of the believers right away?

If so, will it be in MY lifetime? Which would mean our generation never has to walk through the valley of the shadow of death? It would be very cool to NEVER die. I have thought of this since I was a child. I got the balls to talk to people about this today. Here with open-minded people that I trust.

Yall (no some - getting lesser lately) are hands-down some of the most open-minded and Enlightened people I have ever ran across. I love ATS.

Let me know what YOU think! Thanks a lot Y'all!

xoxo,

~ M. Sky

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[edit on 18-5-2009 by Little One]

My belief is that our bodies will all die eventually. I have personal evidence that is not shareable and very subjective that there is something beyond that physical death. So, I believe that a person's essence persevere's after physical death.

As to your questions, I can't say nor guess one way or another. I think they're good questions, and one's I've asked as well. I tend to think that most of what is known and speculated on in human history is but a piece of the puzzle, and should we ever put those clues together as a unified species, we might gain some insight that would answer some of these age-old questions.

Meanwhile, the pursuit of knowledge does us no harm, right?

cheers

Don't know if this is any help but I recall past lifetimes and in one of them I definitely avoided the death process.

It has to do with raising you body's vibration to a very high state, that's about all I can say on the matter!

That is a very good question.

Every other generation in history had to die, as they were not in range of God sending his Son to take total control of this planet away from Satan.

It appears from bible prophesy and world events that there are some alive that are now in range that will never die.

Here is an interesting side point the majority of people that eventually inhabit this planet will have lived and died, only a very small minority will be in the category that never died.

reply to post by Little One


I have a question back at you, would you still believe in and love God if he won't come to swoop you up to safety?

One of the greatest ironies in the Bible - hate your life and you will gain life

...I'm not actually trying to make fun of it, it's a crazy idea.... ....that works..

No need to fear death. It is the natural conclusion to life.

I once had this conversation with my best friends mother as she was nearing the end. She had a massive stroke and had lost the ability to move or speak. The only way to communicate with her was for her to move her eyes.

She was afraid to die. I reassured her that death comes for us all, and it is nothing to be afraid of. It does not mean the end of existence, just the continuation of a journey.

This body feels pain, after death that pain is gone, and a new existence opens up wonders we cannot imagine here in this life.

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We arent going to go off topic here. And Im the one asking the questions LOL.

I never said I did or did not whole-heartedly believe in God. I cant say because I dont even KNOW.

Perhaps I believe a bit because I was taught I BETTER! But, have no real faith in it. Or, perhaps I have a lot of faith that the concept of having someone looking out for us is appealing to A LOT of people so I WANT to believe but science and common sense tells me only idiots walk paths blindly. So that answers that as best I can.

To the other posters - Im really glad youre getting my point. I appreciate the feedback immensely! Some will take it for what its worth - some will take it as a soul that needs to be SAVED! lol

Doesnt matter to me how this is received. However, this thread will not be taken off topic by bible thumping - turning questions on me that I AM SEEKING ANSWERS TOO (what point is that)? Or vice versa.

My question is simple and well stated: Do YOU believe The Lord will come for us in MY lifetime - IF you believe in him at all?

xoxo,

~ M. Sky

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LOVE your post. And you know what... I dont 'think' I am afraid of death but perhaps I am - far more than I even allow myself to realize. I say this because I found your post to be so comforting.

That tells me I very well may be scared of death and block that fear out. I appreciate all of this wonderful guidance, as Im now at a cross roads in my life.

I hope many more have input. Im kicking myself for not dealing with this issue (bring this up) long ago.

xoxo,

~ M.Sky

reply to post by Little One


About six months after my mother passed away, she came to me in a dream. We walked around town and she told me all about the other side. After that conversation, I have absolutely no fear of death.

People are afraid of death because they fear oblivion. They fear that without this meat sack called a body they cease to exist. When we loose the fear that loosing this vessel means the end of our existence, death is no more problematic than puberty.

In all honesty the answer to your question is that no one knows for sure and Jesus did say that he will come 'like a thief in the night, and no one will know the hour'.

On a personnal basis i think that i will die before he returns, like many millions before me.

I do not fear death but it's the dying part i'm not so keen on. (got cancer)

Anyway, I hope you do find the truth one day and then you will have no fear of death either.

Cheers.

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I would have said the same thing Except that even if I'm no longer afraid of death, I still haven't found the truth!

Nothing in this world is more elusive than the truth I must say.

I dont 'think' I am afraid of death but perhaps I am - far more than I even allow myself to realize. I say this because I found your post to be so comforting.



I will tell you a story of my great grandfather, great great actually, He lived in the ages of faith, back in the early 1900s. He was dying on his death bed, he went blind from drinking problems, I can't remember if it was from drinking or the disease, but like my signature, the girl in it, my great grandfather had faith, not a questioning faith, but a real faith.


He was very devout, it's the only reason I am a catholic today because of his dilligence of the faith. The guy was truly saintly from my grandmothers perspective, so on his death bed he asked God to cure his vision before death if he did something in return. He kept his promise, his vision miraculously came back, nobody knew how it was possible

Before he expired he was seen, his last moments, with a gigantic smile on his face and was looking upwards. My grandmother swears on her life that the guy seen Jesus, right after he smiled they turned around to see what he was looking at, they seen nothing, looked back, and he was gone.


The girl in my sig seen the same things, I have, 1,000s of saints have. Faith cannot be weak or it will go nowhere. if you have strong faith, you will see so many things in your life God will do. he literally watches every second.


and so like whatuknow said, death is nothing to be feared.


and to answer your question, the blessed mother said in prophecy that the antichrist would be alive before 2000, so we are on the verge of a cashless society, global communism, the mark of the beast, and WW3, so yes it will be in your time, by far.

what I advise is to prepare your soul for God and search further. don't neglect anything that you think might be true because it's hard to follow.

and to tell you the truth, I think we have less then 8 years before antichrist is here fully.


God bless you.

Just my own personal opinion .......I do believe that all things will come down in your generation (and mine which I am 49) .....and I believe in the pretrib rapture ..
As far as enduring horrible times ...some will ..some wont ...in my opinion those who have already been going through their purifying and trials now wont have to go through it anymore (these will be raptured ALIVE) ..those who never really converted spiritually (or grew in spirit since they first believed) will have to more than likely go through the tribulation and possibly even give their life for the Lord ......
If your being purified now in heart mind soul and body then just look up for your redemption draweth nigh ...If your not then you need to seriously consider knowing the Lord closer (not just in name only ) ...and be ready for whatever comes your way ...as that is what the trials and troubles are for to purify and prepare us for his kingdom ...

(PS.preparing now for the wrath of the prewrathers since I mentioned pretrib lol)

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I applaude you for having such an open mind and heart. As a follower of Christ,a born again believer Our world is falling apart.Look at the economy as one sign,there are many other prophecies being fulfilled at an unbelievable rate.I believe the Rapture can and will occur for those who believe in Jesus Christ and trust Him.It looks like this is the generation that will not pass thru death but be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. It is a truly exciting time to be alive and to see New World Order actually coming to the forefront in our world and seeing prophecy come to pass,really fascinating.That is what I truly believe and have for the last 16 years

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It is true that no one will know the day or the hour but Jesus did say that when you see all these things occuring you will know that He is near,even at the door. This is the time to watch what is happening in our world because the signs of His coming are all lining up rather quickly

Originally posted by kleah
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It is true that no one will know the day or the hour but Jesus did say that when you see all these things occuring you will know that He is near,even at the door. This is the time to watch what is happening in our world because the signs of His coming are all lining up rather quickly

True, It does seem that way.
Only time will tell i suppose.

reply to post by Little One


Pretty valid questions Little One. My answer to your question is that yes, we have to go through the death process. It is inevitiable. We are born, we live, we die and unless you move on from this life, you are to continue the cycle of life and death. It kind of sounds to me like you have a slight bit of fear of death. That is ok, that is nothing to be ashamed of. I used to be terrified of even the thought of death. But in the past decade, my attitudes have changed about it completely. I no longer fear death, I just don't live my life to prepare for death or even worry about the after life.

I have a few questions, I asked myself these several years ago and thought really hard about it. Are you ready to pass on to the next life now? This very moment? Are you ready to just let everything go, your house, career, possessions, kids, pets, and everything that is important to you? Many people answer no. They bring up those things. "Well I can't today, my daughter is getting married and there are guests, there are just to many things to do!" or "Wait, I haven't completed my list of things to do before I go, today is not the day!". Most people are not ready to go through the process of death, it scares them and they are clinging onto everything in this life. Very few are ready to drop everything at any time when the time comes. I realized that you cannot plan for that time to move on to the next life, when it comes, it is here.

Originally posted by Darth Lumina Most people are not ready to go through the process of death, it scares them and they are clinging onto everything in this life. Very few are ready to drop everything at any time when the time comes. I realized that you cannot plan for that time to move on to the next life, when it comes, it is here.

Same here, funny, I've thought about it many times, probably many people do as well..

My parents love me so much, that's why I'm not as crazy as I wanted to, it would hurt them so bad if I die.....

But if the time did come, and I see death coming, I would do everything in my last breath to die for a very good reason and that I didn't died for nothing. I would take a bullet for a complete stranger even a homeless beggar if I have to. To die in the act of love and sacrifice, must be the best way to leave this world!

"Today is a good day to die!" Qapla!

[edit on 20-5-2009 by ahnggk]

reply to post by Little One

Very good question Little One. No, we will not all die. And yes it will be in the current generation that we are now living in. I saw your comment about "bible thumpers" but in order to answer your question properly with evidence that what I'm saying is true then I need to quote a few verses to you so that you know I'm not just giving you my opinion.

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words." - I Thessalonians 4:13-18

The term "asleep" in these verses refers to Christians who have died. Since Jesus died and was resurrected, so shall we, who believe and have received Him into our lives. There is coming a point in time that Jesus is going to come for all of the believers who are on the earth and take them up into heaven. This is what these verses are telling us. The term we use to describe this event is called the Rapture. Our bodies will immediately - in the twinkling of an eye - be transformed into brand new incorruptible perfect immortal bodies. I would be happy to expain it more to you if you'd like to hear more. I don't want to over extend my welcome here so I'll cut it short for now.

As for the time of when this event will take place, all of the signs are pointing to sometime in our near future. I can also explain this further if you'd like me to.

God bless

Hey Little One...nice quandary you got here

NOT a christian FYI...Pagan myself who raised as a Catholic...so I am sure my viewpoint won't be as highly regarded because I am going to wax a bit scientific.

Frankly I don't think anyone here really knows when. Alot of people look at the signs of the times we have right now. They see the wars, the failure of money and the evil we face and believe this is the end times we are approaching. I challenge back saying they and we are egotistic. Now this isn't an insult believe it or not. Frankly humans are built as the most selfish creatures alive regardless of what faith or creed you live by. The reason I say egotistic is because we see ourselves and our sufferings here but the thing is, this end of the world scenario has been predicted...ALOT...and it will never stop happening. So my challenge back at this prediction is how come the same predictions never came true back in the hundreds of other times these sorts of things happened? This world has endured pandemic plagues, global disasters, and we have certainly seen economic times far worse than this and each time this has occurred, predictions were made and people believed with the same resolve that their time was indeed the end. The thing is it never happens.

Honestly my answer is a solid I don't know and quite frankly I can answer the same way whether I believed in the Christian deity or not. We have always had and will always have times of intense suffering because we are human beings. We suffer and cause our own suffering and that is never going to change, yet the other unchanged truth is that with each suffering comes more predictions. I really don't think anyone here knows and well if that is taken as an insult then I can't be responsible for anyone else. There is no proof that this is the end. The end of the world could be before I hit submit on this post or it could be billions of years from now in a godless hellstorm caused by our dwindling or exploding sun. Nobody can ever prove it to you.

The only real step you have to take is to use all of what we say and decide for yourself. The thing is alot of people here are going to poison you with the 'truth' from a Christian perspective and the same is gonna happen from atheists, and scientists and yes even me! We all do the same thing. We all think we know better than everyone else because it our faith or lack of faith that guides us.

But I truly do challenge any Christian, Atheist, physicist, or pagan to prove they have the outcome of this world. I have a pretty good feeling it's going to be alot of misses. Live your life as if you have a century left and as if it was over tomorrow and I think you'll find greater peace but for the love of cake...don't live off of our words no matter how much determination we have (ANY of us) find your truth.

Good luck to you

-Kyo