Huge craft or UFO formation flight????

All i can say is thank you for this post and all the info available because i saw something very similar to this but with just 2 lights gliding through the sky and believed i may have seen something a bit more unexplained but now reckon it was more likely what i saw was the Herschal and planck satelites

good find anyway though

reply to post by Dwest


Nice

What is it with you people and your "all too convenient". Just because you refuse to believe or even consider the possibility that it's an IFO doesn't turn it into an UFO..

Am I the only person who thinks that the background noises sound like they have been added on later maybe to cover up the sound of chopper blades or other aircraft noise.

Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by SharkBait

 

How would that be satellites? How many satellites do you know of that follow each other in a close line?

I have seen two yesterday one after another. similar to the ones in the video. only the distance was a little bigger. satelites IMO

I went to a couple of astronomy-web sites, it turns out there are plenty of NOSS sightings out there - that is - strange triangle formations of lights that are assumed to be NOSS - since that's more or less the only explanation for someone if "Unidentified Flying Object" is not an option.

Here's a quick quote from an amateur-astronomer who saw lights flying in perfect formation;
"Okay, I think I finally saw a NOSS trio for the first time! Well,
I must have, because what else has three satellites moving together."

As the astronomer said. What else?

Only...

The NOSS (Navy Ocean Surveillance Satellite) system originally consisted of a Primary (leader) satellite and two sub-satellites placed in low Earth orbit. Even though cluster satellites orbit in formation, manoeuvering with low-thrust engines, they can't orbit in perfect alignment to eachother, like the lights in the video (and dozens of similar videos from all over the world showing triangular lights. Only, when those triangles stay motionless in the sky they transform from cluster satellites into flares dropped by F-16:s)? If you claim otherwise, please provide data on how they can.

According to NASA, the NOSS satellite formation orbit at a distance of 30 to 240 km between each satellite, so that's what you're looking at here if these are NOSS satellites.

Convincing?

Last problem with the NOSS theory. The NOSS 1 program started out in 1976 and orbited in threes, so did the NOSS 2 (started in 1990), but in the NOSS 3 program (launched in 2001) there are only two satellites, so what is the third light doing there? Here's how the Directory of U.S. Military Rockets and Missiles reasons:
"With the commencement of the NOSS 3 generation of satellites, sub-satellites are no longer separately acknowledged. Visual observations have, however, confirmed their presence and they are formally identified as 'debris'"

Meaning that they're not supposed to be there, but since visual observations have been made, it must be 'debris'.

Debris flying in perfect formation. Convincing?

I'd say helicopters. I live near an airbase and I've seen helicopters flying in exactly the same way. If they're far enough away then you wouldn't hear the sound of their motors/propellers. As for the flashing lights that all conventional aircraft have, the bright light would wash it out so it wouldn't be seen at that distance.

Satellite? Not very likely. To produce bright lights such as these they would have to be much larger than the ISS. Satellites don't need headlights. In order to be seen from the ground they have to reflect light. How could satellites get enough light to reflect that brightly and consistently over such a wide ark? The lights are also following too closely to be satellites and they seem to move around in relation to each other too much to be satellites.

I'm a big fan of Occam's razor.

EDIT
One more thing, ABOVE atmosphere? Draw a line in your mind from the observer through the objects and to the horizon. The camera is looking off in the distance to see the objects. How big would they have to be in order for them to be ABOVE the atmosphere? There's NO WAY the objects are above the atmosphere.



[edit on 18-5-2009 by LazyGuy]

I agree with the other guy..

probably Generation II NOSS from the declassified Poppy Program..

nice find though as I think there is only one pair of Gen II's left inorbit today.

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Any links to the source of that quote? I'd like to see a video or a picture of NOSS 3 with 2 satellites and that debry with them..

NOSS 3-2:
tr.youtube.com...


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Why is the NO WAY the objects are above atmosphere? Satellites are seen to reflect light all the time. What lights following satellites? The satellites themself are the lights. Reflecting light from the sun.
Or what are you trying to say?
Please explain your post Mr. Wannabe Expert

Whatever they/it is/are, I saw it too! About a week or so ago, I called my family members outside to see what I thought looked like a gigantic boomerang in the sky moving from east to west, slowly. We all saw it and just went wow, oh, I wonder what it is, weird. It looked just like the video, the three lights spaced an even distance apart yet travelling together. Satellites or one really huge UFO? I don't know, but we saw something. Cool.

Thanks for posting OP.

[edit on 18-5-2009 by Hazelnut]

Originally posted by Hazelnut
Whatever they/it is/are, I saw it too! About a week or so ago, I called my family members outside to see what I thought looked like a gigantic boomerang in the sky moving from east to west, slowly. We all saw it and just went wow, oh, I wonder what it is, weird. It looked just like the video, the three lights spaced an even distance apart yet travelling together. Satellites or one really huge UFO? I don't know, but we saw something.

what was the duration of this sighting?

was a report made?

did anyone else in your area see it?

your location?

time of day when the object was sighted?

details please.


back on topic, i had originally thought 'flares' but the satellite or helicopter explanations seems more likely. probably the former, satellite orbits are not random.

good to see some credible, quality footage at least.

Where and when was the video shot?

Here's how I believe it could be CGI: In a word, metronome - or audible ticker. Objects that move at a constant speed can be calculated as to how long they take to move across a field of vision, explaining how the camera appears to be innocently following them perfectly - even instantly losing the subjects (moving camera downward) and regaining them. The too perfectly nature-sounding soundtrack is masking the metronome ticks. It's a theory, I could be wrong.

(add a couple hours later): Actually I believe I'm being too modest. Am sticking with the ticker! Cha-CHING!

[edit on 18-5-2009 by Dean Goldberry]

Originally posted by DohBama

Originally posted by Hazelnut
Whatever they/it is/are, I saw it too! About a week or so ago, I called my family members outside to see what I thought looked like a gigantic boomerang in the sky moving from east to west, slowly. We all saw it and just went wow, oh, I wonder what it is, weird. It looked just like the video, the three lights spaced an even distance apart yet travelling together. Satellites or one really huge UFO? I don't know, but we saw something.

what was the duration of this sighting? - We watched it move from east to west, directly north of my location.
was a report made? - Of course not. It could have been anything. We aren't experts and who would we report to??
did anyone else in your area see it? - Three of my family members, 2 teenagers, one other adult besides myself.
your location? - Central Ohio.
time of day when the object was sighted? - 9:00 PM EST
details please. - No other details, sorry.

[edit on 18-5-2009 by Hazelnut]

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I was being sarcastic sorry it didnt come across that way, Im actually very thankful for all the effort most of these people put into solving this for myself and others who have been wondering about it!

Probably satellites as well.

Their isn't any information on where and what time the video was shot, so there's no real way of knowing what they are. But then if we probably had that information then the video would have to be blurry and more shaky.

I feel it's got something to do with symmetrical book stacking though.

reply to post by Hazelnut


duration as in time, how long was the sighting?

report to whom? i thinks its safe to assume everyone on this site has heard of mufon?

who would be interested?

sure, big boomerang shaped craft in the sky, witnessed by many observers...

happens all the time, why bother?

are you kidding?

i'm sure no one on this site would be interested in such a thing...

Satellites? Aircraft? anyones guess really.

The sound seems as if it is in a continuous loop

[edit on 18/5/09 by Waitingsolong]

reply to post by DGFenrir

reply to post by LazyGuy

 

Why is the NO WAY the objects are above atmosphere? Satellites are seen to reflect light all the time. What lights following satellites? The satellites themself are the lights. Reflecting light from the sun.
Or what are you trying to say?
Please explain your post Mr. Wannabe Expert

First off, I'm pretty sure that most of us here on ATS are Wannabe Experts except of course for the occasional person who is an actual expert.

You've brought up two issues. I'll cover the illumination problem first.

Let me familiarize you with a scientific concept.

Angle of incidence equals angle of refraction. It's called the Law of Reflection.

Light moves in straight lines. It's emitted from a source (The Sun) and moves in a straight line unless it is reflected by something. If the light strikes an object at a 30 degree angle the light will be reflected off of the object at 30 degrees.

The video was taken at night and it was well into the night judging by the stars that are visible. Where is The Sun? It's on the other side of the planet from where the video was taken. There is a VERY large shadow being cast by The Earth and any satellite moving across the sky would certainly be within that shadow.

There is NO WAY the satellite moving within the shadow of The Earth could reflect light directly from The Sun

If a satellite were to be visible then it's being illuminated by secondary light. It's being illuminated by light that's being reflected off the moon or maybe light that's being reflected off the moon and off the Earth.

There's no way a satellite could reflect light directly from The Sun. Therefore, the bright lights in the video have to be from artificial light.

And the second issue. The idea I was trying to convey earlier has do do with distance.

The Earth is basically a sphere that's within another sphere of air. The atmosphere has a thickness of around 62 mi or 330,000 ft. If you are looking straight upwards at an object and it is above the atmosphere then it would be higher than 62 miles.

I get the impression that the objects aren't moving directly over the person who took the video. The way I see it, the formation was moving in front of the observer from right to left. They were flying high enough above the horizon for the ground not to bee seen in the video but they weren't flying anywhere near to being directly above the observer. If you were standing you could probably see the complete path the objects took without tilting your neck upwards. (By the way, I'm NOT going to even try to go into my reasoning about this)

Remember the line I asked you to imagine being drawn from the observer through the objects and on to the horizon. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Le'me draw you a picture.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4b7cafa89248.jpg[/atsimg]

If line A - B is 62 miles then line A - C would be around four and a half times as long or 279 miles.

Objects appear to be smaller when they are farther away. They will also appear less bright depending on distance.

If the objects were being viewed with a sight line of A - C then the objects would have had to have been VERY LARGE and VERY BRIGHT for them to have appeared as they are in the video.

Based on my analysis I do not believe the objects were outside of the atmosphere.

One more thing, remember what I said in the first paragraph of my original post?
I'VE SEEN LIGHTS FLYING AT NIGHT IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
THEY WERE HELICOPTERS.












[edit on 18-5-2009 by LazyGuy]

well helicopters is possible however it seems like the objects are "locked" in formation and helicopter pilots,as good as they are couldn't keep that tight of a formation for that long without moving in or out of line.

edit to add: unless of course they are using some sort of computer controlled laser guidance system

[edit on 18-5-2009 by Dwest]

Originally posted by DohBama
reply to post by Hazelnut

 

duration as in time, how long was the sighting?

report to whom? i thinks its safe to assume everyone on this site has heard of mufon?

who would be interested?

sure, big boomerang shaped craft in the sky, witnessed by many observers...

happens all the time, why bother?

are you kidding?

i'm sure no one on this site would be interested in such a thing...

Since you put it that way I suppose you have a point. I have never heard of mufon and I'm not into UFO's nor is my family. We simply let it go assuming there is a logical explanation or it was a visual phenomena for which we have no foundation of reference. For crying out loud, most people dont even think chemtrails are real. When I saw this post it occurred to me that I saw something similar to the video. My bad.

I would have to lean toward the satellite on this one. You can see what appears to be starts in between the three objects so they must be individual objects. They all seem to be maintaining the same speed and stay on a straight course with no deviations. My vote is for man made satellite.