Dimensional Portals Opening? Vegetarians Disappearing After Hearing Voices? Are You Hearing Voices?

Originally posted by whitewave
I Timothy 4:3 talks about the last days when "some will revolt from the faith...forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meat."

Commanding to abstain from meat? What possible reason could cause some sort of law forbidding the eating of meat (or marriage for that matter)?

The passage mentioned refers to seducing spirits.

I don't quite know what to make of the phenomenon to which so many have confirmed by personal experience and I am not without experiences of unexplained events myself.

Just saying there are amazing technologies out there and Joe Q Public doesn't have access to the truly mind-boggling ones. I think it would be pretty easy for TPTB to utilize people's pre-conceived notions (New Age, religious, etc.) with what we DO know of certain technologies so that people interpret their personal "odd" events according to their personal belief systems.

Interesting topic, OP. S&F.

Here is what that says from KJV:

Timothy 4:

Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry , and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thaksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


I think that this refers to many religions that do things persay do not eat pork, or under the old law there were rules and regulations about what you could eat. When the law was abolished , so were those rules. My opinion on that passage.

reply to post by mmiichael


So you are saying this is the unconscious self making contact with the conscious self and if so....where is this outside voice coming from, how is it manifesting as real voice?

So you feel that the unconscious self can decide out of the clear blue that the person needs to be spoken to?

A couple of posters even said that another person was able to hear the voice?

I am having trouble accepting this as a 'normal' thing and please, my questions are serious, Im not assuming or being sarcastic...

Can you show me a psychiatric article, peer reviewed at least that talks about this being a normal phenomenon? I would appreciate any info...so far, my 2 yrs of psychology classes failed to teach me this. Mabey in due time...

I have read through some of this thread, I have not had time to read the whole thing yet but could it be something more sisister such as project bluebeam?
www.sweetliberty.org...www.thewatcherfiles.com...
I am just wondering.

reply to post by whitewave


No, it's in the OP. I quoted it earlier. It's webbot crap. People started talking about Voices because it was asked. I make no comment on the "voices" issue.

Originally posted by SharkBait
Good luck with the voices. Oh! did you recently see the Movie "Knowing" by Nicolas Cage....its about a little girl that hears voices.chitter like lost of people talking at the same time.

Guess what it launched in March. Do you thing maybe some people are playing out the Part......

Since I don't watch TV, I have never heard of this movie.

So the voices/sounds I started hearing a couple of months ago are not linked with this - unless it's through telepathy or something.

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by mmiichael

 

So you are saying this is the unconscious self making contact with the conscious self and if so....where is this outside voice coming from, how is it manifesting as real voice?

So you feel that the unconscious self can decide out of the clear blue that the person needs to be spoken to?

A couple of posters even said that another person was able to hear the voice?

I am having trouble accepting this as a 'normal' thing and please, my questions are serious, Im not assuming or being sarcastic...

Can you show me a psychiatric article, peer reviewed at least that talks about this being a normal phenomenon? I would appreciate any info...so far, my 2 yrs of psychology classes failed to teach me this. Mabey in due time...

Hi,

Yes there literature on this. I used to be involved on an admin level with a peer review medical journal (not alternative) and was more up on this a few years ago. Give me some time to see what I can find in my library or contact me by U2U.

The phenomenon is very real and substantiated. You might start by reading current material on multiple-personality disorder.

Mike

reply to post by mopusvindictus

I am wondering that our food sources might not be bankrupt of nutrition perhaps?

Yes without a doubt, and my post pointed this out., and the effects malnutrition have on the brain,

Also think fasting and how that would effect prophets and seers, and vision quests.



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I'm a vegetarian and I do a lot of yoga and I eat very healthy and I'm in shape. I am not hearing any voices though. Don't want to hear any voices either. I still find this very intriguing I'll keep reading up on it.

You guy's are lucky. I get nothing! Never seen a ghost, UFO, or monster. Haven't heard voices or strange sounds. Four or five years ago I had a dream of being abducted, where they inserted a foot long needle into my bellybutton. When I woke up and went into the bathroom I noticed blood on my t-shirt. Sure enough my bellybutton was bleeding. I guess during the dream I must have scratched at it which caused the bleeding. My wife said I turned white like I had seen a ghost. I told her the dream and we both agreed it was time to trim my fingernails. BTW, this my first post so, Hello!

Originally posted by antonia
I looked through this entire thread for a shred of proof vegans are disappearing. I'm not seeing any. There are no police reports, no recorded data points, nothing. Why should anyone believe you? Are you asking people to suspended all critical reasoning?

The data does not support the conclusion.

If you notice in my title and in my OP there are question marks I have not anywhere said "This is happening" - you will notice I am questioning the events and asking people have they begun having anything. So to come in and say there has been any absolutes of my saying it is happening - is PLAIN WRONG!!

So please reread the OP to find out you are wrong on your conclusion of my saying it "is happening" of people disappearing.

But, no discount the fact people have been hearing voices etc in their postings - in reading that - no one has anywhere said they were going to disappear either! this is a research of people being able to share their experiences to what is happening with them.

Always consider the possibility that it's a cover for fascist suppression of free thinkers, which is a part of the bigger eugenics NWO agenda, so this could be an urban myth used to cover criminal fascist activity against the population and also to defuse resistance. "It's ok, you're going to heaven now..."

That said, if you do hear voices, apart from remote technology which will probably sound surreal and exterior, something else might be happening. I know hundreds of people, none of them report hearing voices or seem psychological strained out more than is to be expected with the constant media negativity around fabricated crisis.

And imo webbot is charlatanism. They have predicted nothing accuratly and it reads like a horoscope, just basic and abstract trends.

Last but not least, a few people vanish every day. Between crime and escape it's quite a number.

My guess is it's nothing.

Originally posted by questioningall


If you notice in my title and in my OP there are question marks I have not anywhere said "This is happening" - you will notice I am questioning the events and asking people have they begun having anything. So to come in and say there has been any absolutes of my saying it is happening - is PLAIN WRONG!!

So please reread the OP to find out you are wrong on your conclusion of my saying it "is happening" of people disappearing.

But, no discount the fact people have been hearing voices etc in their postings - in reading that - no one has anywhere said they were going to disappear either! this is a research of people being able to share their experiences to what is happening with them.

It may sound strange, but there may be Dimensional Portals opening and people disappearing after hearing voices.

If you are going to proclaim this crap "might just" be happening show some proof. Otherwise just make it a thread about people hearing voices. It's almost as if you are trying to frame "people hearing voices" to prove this webbot report. I have nothing further to say to because i know you won't bring any real hard evidence to this conversation. Next time just make a thread about hearing voices. Don't bring in disappearing vegans.

reply to post by antonia


this will be my last response to you, because I do not go down to the level of tit for tat postings - I think it takes the route one person wants to go.

So please tell me how MAY became ABSOLUTE in your mind - because MAY in my mind and most others is just that - it may - but it is not saying - It IS! There is a huge difference.

I will also say - you have a right to your opinion about things - that is fine - as we all have our own opinions - but do NOT misconstrue my wording to fit what you want to post about your opinions!

Also interesting enough if you look around at the postings you will find it is actually a positive event that is happening, people are able to express what has been happening with them as some have never expressed before. Others have opened up communication with loved ones about voices too from this thread, I have had PM's of people saying they are now talking to a loved one about their experiences. SO this thread is actually doing good in various ways.

You can look at it one way and try to twist my words around - but 99.99% of the other people who have posted here or have contacted me personally without posting here are looking at it in another way.

I look at it in a positive way, besides being very interested in what seems to be happening to lots of people right now!

Have an Awesome Day!!

A few days ago, I was considering posting this very same "people disappearing" meme from UrbanSurvival.

I didn't mainly because, I have not personally known anyone hearing the voices or disappearing.

But now I know how to get more ATS points in the future -- just post, and let credible sources be darned!

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
There is nothing self righteous about being a vegan.

I agree with your post but with the above I think it's quite the opposite and also the problem. Unless you meant to say "righteous", in which case I agree with your statements fully.

As far as the topic being presented here, personally I know there is a lot going on in what some consider the "spiritual" at the moment. I know this for a fact. I have had experiences that have gone beyond the "voices" stage and I am an omnivore. At this point voices are the least shocking thing for me.

Trying to connect this current "spiritual" event to a persons specific diet simplifies it to some degree but I wouldn't doubt that vegetarians are hearing things alongside everyone else that is able to. Connecting the dots regarding "why" this is occurring by using lifestyle choices that pertain to you can give you a misleading and very assumptive answer. I did this at first and I was proven wrong, but the process is one of stages. The process isn't confined to any one particular group. The process has frightening aspects to it as well in regards to how this third act will unfold.

I think a better path to take at this time would be one of inclusion rather than separation. It is easy to get caught up in delusions of grandeur when you feel something amazing is happening to you.

Keep in mind, our meat eating ancestors went through this too.
I've met with beings that I later saw drawn on cave walls.
I used to believe they were just artistic decorations.

Again...I was wrong.

- Lee

Yeah, my point was that diet does not correlate to personality inthe general sphere. Although it can have a direct effect individually, you can't say "Vegans are all cool people". There is just sooo much personal experience to the contrary of that.

Oh, and FYI on hearing voices:
It is now possible to use ultrasonics to project sound into an individuals head that nobody else can hear. The sonics push on anything hard (like your head) and that force, creates the sound.
Hypersonic sound projection

More on this invention at MIT

Originally posted by antonia

If you are going to proclaim this crap "might just" be happening show some proof. Otherwise just make it a thread about people hearing voices. It's almost as if you are trying to frame "people hearing voices" to prove this webbot report. I have nothing further to say to because i know you won't bring any real hard evidence to this conversation. Next time just make a thread about hearing voices. Don't bring in disappearing vegans.

Sounds like someone is a pissed off vegetarian.

[edit on 18-5-2009 by The Loge]

Thats Just Ron Howard screwing with y'all!


LMAO keep'em coming

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by whitewave

 

No, it's in the OP. I quoted it earlier. It's webbot crap. People started talking about Voices because it was asked. I make no comment on the "voices" issue.

Hi antonia,

I feel ya, I do...but just for balance for the thread I want to say....

Even though the title says one thing with a ? mark and the OP then does mention 1)vegetarians 2) disappearing 3) voices...it can seem a little misleading if you dont take the ? mark seriously.

BUT BUT BUT....do you not see where this topic led to???

It lead to over 300 comments in 24 hours about people hearing a 'voice'. You might see that as nothing but I find the contrary. I find it like

I have no issues with the other things mentioned because the people of ATS sifted it all out with their own answers to their experiences. I think at least.

I did respond back to you that 'yes' there is no evidence of any one disappearing because for those that just read the title and jumped to the last page, I felt they needed to know that no one is assuming anyone is disappearing. I think it would be a great friendly reminder to post every few pages that there is no evidence directly relating disappearing vegetarians to the masses amounts of comments made here. There is alot of great info in this thread and I think everyone has gotten over the veggie thing and disappearing stuff and carried on a great topic here.

I just feel feathers ruffling and I do wish it wasnt so.

I wouldn't get hung up on the disappearing stuff because it has brought forth a whole other direction of this topic which is the one thing you mentioned you didnt comment on which is the 'voice'. Dont you think after reading this whole thread that the voices is what everyone is responding to and dont ya think that not many have gotten hung up on the other things mentioned in the OP? I think that is great...ATSer's dont let a word stand in their way to comment on the other word. They just bring it forward....and that is awesome!

So why not comment about what seems to be the topic at hand....alot of people are hearing voices it seems.

I dont do the webbot thing either...but I have no issue with that either being in the OP. I posted what resonated with me or what pertained to me, how I could relate and to what I related to and what I didnt...and that is that, ya know.

Who cares about all the flags and stars....a thread that gets SOOO many comments and responses that pretty much sifted in their own little direction of a topic deserves stars and flags. Just for the simple fact that this thread got newbies to sign up, many people to share something that they have NEVER shared, many people talking about a phenomenon with others that they probably dont get to talk much with others about...deserves flagged and starred really.

Hell, what do I know....we are all just having a convo...that is it really. It just so happens that the start of the convo mentioned a few other things that may resonate with some and may not with others. I dont see the biggy....

I am only about half way through this thread and have noticed the OP a couple of times sending PM (U2U's) to new members without 20 posts.

My understanding is that you cannot send or receive without the required posts so chances are they are not receiving the information.

The only other way I know to communicate with someone without access to PM's would be for the new members to open up the comment section on their profiles and you can communicate that way. The comment can be deleted at any time one chooses so the info is not permanent.

A new member can also comment on the OP's profile as well if the comment section has been activated by the person writing a comment. This opens it for others to comment.

This is the only way I know to communicate with new members other than through the threads.

Sorry if this has already been addressed.