A Guide To Exorcisms

reply to post by alien


Awesome addition. But it is very sad that a death came as the result. infact I think their have been a few deaths due to exorcisms. Its awful. However, Its not very often that local stories come up in the relam of exorcisms. Most are kept private, but that was very interesting (besides the person dieing). Star for you.

[edit on Jun 2nd 2009 by TheMythLives]

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by alien

 

Could not have said it better. The stronger your faith or your belief in something the stronger the opposing force you have to face. All in accordance with science.

"With every action, their is an equal and opposite reaction"

I am not an expert on the subject, but I have been doing research on the topic of exorcism (odd hobby, I know). I'm not quite sure what book it was from; however, I remember the quote.
It was brought up (in the book) that people honestly believe that "religious" persons/leaders are immune from attack, but the author pointed out, "Why go after the sheep, when you can go after the shepherd, and have the sheep too?"
It makes a lot of sense to me.

reply to post by cheshire cat


They have immunity if their faith is strong, but only for periods of when they are being atatcked. But the stronger face an opposing force as strong as them.

Even Jesus of Nazerath. He faced the strongest of al the demons the devil. And if that doesn't tell anyone anything, it proves the point that the stronger the faith- the stronger the demon.

reply to post by TheMythLives


Yup...its about as 'local' a story as I can get...as the settlement this happened in is literally just over the hill from where I live.

As intimated I do believe there was spiritual influence at work there.
Heres the reason why:

The day after the death my cousin stopped in at our house on his way home. He lives in that settlement and knows that family.

He told me about the events in the house, that they were experiencing a 'makutu' (curse) and that the lady affected had died.
He then started to tell me they believed the makutu was related to a theft...at which point I said to him "A statue. Small stone statue. Of a Lion?"
Cousin was like "Yeh. Did you hear?"
"Nope."
"Ahh. So you reckon its makutu? You reckon theres some funky wairua (spiritual) thing going on?"
"Well, I just told you it was a statue of a Lion without you telling me. What do you think?"


The thing is - which I told my cousin at the time and has since been confirmed through other sources and investigation - is that this event isn't solely about a makutu/curse.
I *smelt* something a whole lot *darker* involved here also...and this 'makutu' was merely the 'springboard' if you will - the opening - that this other darker element used to do its mischief.

Essentially what I was *feeling* at the time, and *evidence* of such has since been discovered (yet hasn't been publicised just yet - doubt it will) was that there was some elements of 'darker magic' being played with here.

Why I mention that is that sometimes things aren't really as they might appear initially.

There are layers upon layers.

For whatever reason, what appears on the surface as 'A', may well in effect when you drill down a bit further actually be 'B' or 'C' merely using 'A' as its cover - its distraction and deflection.

The issue with that is that some things may require specific approaches, specific interventions to deal with.
You also have to be able - truly able - to be able to perform (or however you choose to see it) that intervention.
Biting off more than one can chew can lead to a whole lot more than mere indigestion.

Take Weed-killers for instance...choosing the right Weed-killer that targets the specific Weed you wish to eradicate is often far more effective that just going with some generalised broad spectrum Weed-killer.

Horses for courses. Cause and effect.

Just like Rule #1 with Hunting - identify your target.
You HAVE to be sure that your bullet is on target - aimed right and delivered right at the right target...or else you might find its a missed shot as your real enemy slips away unscathed...or worse still, a ricochetted one that takes out an innocent...



Peace.

reply to post by TheMythLives


Just something else to throw into that train of thought.

Sometimes the more effective trump-card isn't to take out the Sheppard.

Often with these types of discussions I hear/see/read people talking about a battle between Good and Evil, Light and Dark, God and the Devil...Delusion and Reality (heh, had to throw that bit in)

If we stay for a moment with that analogy of Battle.
Lets say one side as 100 soldiers. The other side has 100 soldiers.
Numberwise they may seem even.

...so...one side takes out one of the others troops. End result: 99 Vs 100. One side is effectively up 1 soldier.

However...IF one side doesn't take out one of their enemy...but rather turns them...then what you get is 99 Vs 101 now. Effectively that side is now 2 up...

...and IF that one turned is no *ordinary* soldier...but one that commands respect of other soldiers, or whos fighting prowess is such they effectively carry the striking power of more than most other soldiers...then well...even the more sweeter...

...so...sometimes the aim may not be about taking out, but turning. Tempting. Corrupting.


Peace.

reply to post by alien


Awesome, analogy! I am glad you decided to post that. Tempting and turning people is an awesome way of putting it. If people would like to focus on that aspect I would suggest reading:

The Screwtape Letters- C.S Lewis

reply to post by TheMythLives


Absolutely.

You made mention of Jesus. (I'm going to ignore the debate that often ensues as to whether Jesus existed or not, and/or who Jesus *was*). The Christ.

One whom was so *powerful* - though hate to use such terminology...yet one whom also suffered his time of temptation.

Again speaking from knowing a few people who hold such strong faith, who do this type of work with such commitment and effect...people I would personally see as being real *soldiers* if you will...ALL of them have had their times of trial.

ALL have had approaches and 'offers' made (and I'm picking you know the level at which I speak of...not of the flesh though that happens, but of the spirit), temptation waved, corruption attempted right along with outright attack.



Peace.

The amazing thing is that. No matter the argument it appears to be that "unexplained" things are happening that science just cannot answer yet. And if to solve those problems means going to the Metaphysical world to bring a solution to the problem. I accept that..

Very well done topic. Star and flag. This is one that few are really up on and even fewer have been a party to in person. I don't have the camera right now but it might be nice for each of the groups with someone willing to, take pictures of their exorcism tools and describe their manuals and practices. I have been exposed to three types of Christian exorcism, as well as Christian exorcism of Muslims affected by calling up jinn.

When I get the camera back I will link a pic. Anyone else?

Going to add some here to the topic.

Generally if I were to be called there are certain aspects that must be determined. The main one is the 'cause'. What doorway must be closed to trap the spirit here. I refer to all spirits and demons as spirits.

The second is the assessment prior to the actual paperwork and releases that are signed. The paperwork is signed after a qualified medical doctor has determined no organic cause exists. In most cases recommendation from a psychologist/psychiatrist or clergy is requested in addition to the doctors report.

In the assessment, the actual stage of progression is recorded.

If there is any interest I will add those.

A lot of people back in the day were confused with demons and all they had was a mental illness. So it is extermemly important to get an expert opinion BEFORE doing any sort of exorcisms, because it could lead to death not only for the victim, but to you. So everyone just becareful and simply put, do not attempt this, unless you have too.

reply to post by TheMythLives


Yes, things are not as they show on the movies, where people just have to go to a priest (or at least to a specialist in exorcisms) and they do it without any further investigation.

Things work like this only in the movies, exorcisms are not considered lightly.

reply to post by ArMaP


So true, exorcisms are not to made to play with. Nor with a psychological condition Proper understanding of psychology and necessary tests should be done, before any and all exorcisms.

Reviving an old thread, which has a lot to offer to anyone interesting in Exorcisms and the correct ways to go about things and the wrong ways and of course the important info.

a reply to: ArMaP

What is the "Title and the publisher of the manual" and whither it is still available on Amazon.