UFO whistleblower dies on stage.

Wait... what the heck... ?
A whistleblower gets up in a public venue to say something of importance but then suddenly dies on stage. Good god what are the odds? IMHO this could be any number of things, but trying to keep it somewhat rational I will try to stay focused and not blow my lid on this. Don't panic folks... well, not yet at least.

Here are a few of my theories on the why fors and whatnots:

I'm sure it happens all the time but maybe much less in a UFO conference, but the fact is at that age lot's of people exit stage left with no cue or warning. Could have been a massive stroke, did he have any pre-existing health issues associated with such? Just for example, a buddy of mine's grandfather died suddenly in the backyard of his home while he was just wandering around, his heart failed just that quick and he never had any pre-existing problems and was in great health for a man of his age.)

Being 62 is is highly possible, and also very likely to get a sudden stroke or heart attack.. and depending on the severity of it, it could mean exit stage left with no cue if you get what I am a sayin' That is probably the most logical cause of death.
Playing devils advocate here for a moment....
Maybe he had something profound to say, and being all worked up about releasing that info and blowing that whistle caused it physically. Maybe it was just too much to handle?
Or it was a hit... but on that notion, why would someone take him out? What specifically did he know? Names of people?

Surely a hit in this manner is very sloppy indeed, but as it has been said maybe this was a hit to shut some more people up... just a show. Entertain this for a moment:
Could it be that the man that was walking away and whistling was one of them, maybe he wasn't the killer after all and when the opportunity arose he decided to take a leasurely stroll down the hall to create a stir, even though the man died under his own circumstance? The community will be up in arms for this more than likely, but it could be a distraction.

Just sayin'
T-

If I'd invented a gadget that could make someone die of a heart attack like that and I was the evil, money-hungry assassin type, of course I'd use it in public. Then, when negotiating with a future client, I could pull out a video showing what I could do.

I find the story unconvincing, - which is not to say it cannot be true, - but the way the "hit" was supposedly done is something that could happen.

Regarding missing children, I was quite convinced, looking at the way Hurricane Katrina survivors were ferried around without knowing where they were being sent, and no-one knowing who went where, that many of them were rerouted to secret locations to be experimented on.

That apparent chaos had to be purposeful, and have a reason behind it.

Originally posted by riggins44
Here is a way to keep whistle blowers quiet. Did anyone see this? It is a small GPS transceiver in a capsule that is placed under the skin. It can monitor every move you make. Now here is the catch. One model has a lethal dose of cyanide that can be release remotely. I saw it on foxnews. Scary huh?

www.foxnews.com...

If you had one of those in you and you wanted to whistle blow, how hard would it be to remove it from your body? Duuuuur.

I believe that Arie De Geus died by assasination also, December 5, 2007. It appears that he had manufactured the Electrinium Battery. The Electrinium Battery creates electricity by having disimilar metals caught in a silicon crystal, that creates electricity.

www.pesn.com...

The Electrinium Battery:

pesn.com...

Originally posted by antar
One more thought is that this was probably not so much about the UFO info but the child abduction.

I certainly agree, but the problem with disclosing one thing that the government has kept secret, has a ripple affect of the many other things that would be uncovered, and the powers that be can not let this happen. The powers that be, and the government have many skeletons in their closet.

I'm really divided on this one.

When looking at this scenario through objective eyes, the whole story, if true, seems highly suspicious. The problem is, I bet there are bits and pieces of the story that were added for dramatic effect.

If you had just successfully killed somebody, and made it appear completely natural, why would the perpetrator leave so abruptly, start whistling and chuckling to somebody on the phone?

The victim describing burning to the side of their head does lend credit to the idea that his death was maybe a cover up. You will notice that even people who experience a heart attack, it is usually because they have conducted an activity that has over-stimulated their heart. It is very rare for somebody to just collapse with such little signs of distress first, and then die on the spot.

reply to post by karl 12


Not that I doubt this could happen at all but why not take him out days before, why suddenly last minute while on stage in public?

I have a general idea how intelligence agencies work and how if needed to take someone out they might do it and this particular method/timing doesn't really make sense to me.

Possible but not probable IMO.

Curious to hear about the autoposy report.

For what it's worth sorry to hear about your friend.

Originally posted by truthandjustice
I believe that Arie De Geus died by assasination also, December 5, 2007.

He was found slumped over in his car, taken to a hospital, where he died sometime later. Autopsy showed indications of heart failure. Nothing suggesting homicide noted.

I know, I know - it was all covered up.

No one lives forever. How is an active older man expected to die without there being immediate suspicion of foul play?


Mike

I think the part about the woman following the laughing supposed hit-man is most probably an embellishment, either by the reporter or the woman. Witnesses sometimes have a tendency to twist things in events like this, to fit the scenario that they perceived.

I am leaning towards the view that this may have been a hit. Perhaps there was someone who was watching who may have been able to trigger his heart attack, and the reason that he was up there speaking for 10 minutes before he was killed, was that the assassin was unsure of exactly what Dean Warwick was going to say. Maybe Dean got too close to the truth??

reply to post by karl 12


How do they know it was ELF weapon
Did somebody see somebody with a ELF weapon
"Obviously" there are no actual fuzzy pictures of a ELF weapon, thus
supporting the Conspiracy theory.
Maybe somebody could upload a drawing of ELF weapon on a napkin or
something.
Now if these ELF are something like Ghost Busters Backpack, then surely
somebody would have seen that.
Or was it one of Laser Canons mounted in back of BLACK (of course) SUV.
They just pull up to the Building, open the rear doors and start Blasting
away.

For such a weapon, if it does exist would need so much power and to be
as focused as a bullet is just........

They should have just used an Ice Bullet.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

I think you ask a good question about the timing of this mans death. I wouldn't chalk it up to paranoid speculation just yet however. I think some more evidence would be key. It's usually some time before you can tell if the authorities are white washing something. It should become obvious in time. Keep asking questions. Take care

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

I think you ask a good question about the timing of this mans death. I wouldn't chalk it up to paranoid speculation just yet however. I think some more evidence would be key. It's usually some time before you can tell if the authorities are white washing something. It should become obvious in time. Keep asking questions. Take care

reply to post by redhead57


Redhead thanks for the reply-it truly is a disturbing topic.
Don't know if you've seen this Discovery Channel documentary before
(as it was pulled from the network) but it does raise some very serious concerns:

On Tuesday May 3 1994 this program was scheduled to
air on the Discovery Channel. Influential members of congress applied
pressure in the cable industry to stop the airing of the program and
destroy all copies.

It was already listed nationwide in the April 30 - May 6 edition of
TV Guide and newspaper supplements. The Discovery Channel and
Yorkshire Television were reimbursed for the 1/4 to 1/2 million
dollars production costs.

This is the program THEY didnt want you to see.

video.google.com...

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

I’ve just listened to the audio clip of Dave Starbuck talking with Dean Warwick found here Audio Clip.

I’ve decided to put into text some of what Dean said in the audio clip. Everything below contained within quotation marks are Dean’s own words from the clip.
I slowed down the audio when doing this so there shouldn’t be any errors with the text on my part.

“So one day I’ve got a suit walks into my showroom & we get talking & he says that he’s got a meeting at the DSS offices which is the headquarters for the… Where I live… Errm… In this area.”

The man in the suit claims to be the head of a department (he doesn’t say which) & tells Dean that each year 20,000 to 25,000 children go missing in the UK.

Dean continues…

“Sometime later I’m watching Television, it’s the middle of the day & I see there is a news item & a lady comes on who’s a part of a group in London, I think their name was the mothers of the disappeared, I may have that wrong, but anyway.”

I think Dean does have that wrong. I couldn’t find any group going by that name in the UK so I believe he is mistaken & is actually referring to the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo.

Dean then says…

"She says that each year in the UK 120,000 children between the age of 10 & 23, interesting age group, will leave home & of which 20% will only ... will, sorry the other way round 80% will ever be heard or found again. In other words 20% are missing, well 20% of 120,000 makes 25,000 & confirms the figure this man told me."

I disagree with this. Since I don’t think the lady was talking about missing children in the UK I don’t see how this can confirm the figure the man in the suit gave Dean.

Also, I don’t specialise in pure & advanced mathematics but 20% of 120,000 is not 25,000 it’s 24,000. You may think I’m being picky & I am, a little, but…

From around 50 secs in

"I did mathematics so specialised in pure & advanced maths university."

If that were true I find it possible but a little unlikely Dean would make a mathematical error like this.

Later Dean says…

"Every week they find 7 to 8 children in The New Forest."

The New Forest in Southern England

The New Forest Google Maps

I’ve lived relatively close to The New Forest & have walked through much of it in the past. Most of the national park is available to the public. I don’t recall any mention from anyone about children being found dead in the gruesome way Dean describes.

He says 7 to 8 per week so that’s 364 to 416 children being found per year. That’s big news & it simply isn’t happening.


[edit on 17-5-2009 by Fillet ask a]

Originally posted by sonicology

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
Second, if someone wanted to assassinate him, why do it in such a public fashion? A potential assassin could have attacked at any point.

This was my first thought as well.

However assuming just for the sake of argument that there is something in this and that he was bumped off or silenced, perhaps the choice of location was carefully chosen to send a message to other potential whilstleblowers; something along the lines of "if you go public with your information then this is the fate that awaits you"

Ok totally off topic, sorry, but your avatar scares the crappycrapz out of me. I know it is a fake (please tell me it is a fake!) but is one of those pictures that are....just too freaky.

As to the OP, if indeed UFO researchers have a tendacy of dying prematurely, we have our answers about closure. No closure that is. If indeed aliens are here, THEY are calling the shots. Besides, what will we win when we know what is really going on? The truth? So what? What will this truth bring us? Will the sheeple continue to sheeple? Don't think so! This new truth will have a profound impact on anybody. The questions will be: what happens now? Are they taking over? What have they done to us that we are not aware of? How long has this been going on and who knew?

Sure people will have to keep doing their normal stuff, if not to earn their daily bread then to keep up normalcy.

I have a theoratical need for closure, but not a practical one. Ignorance is bliss in this case.

[edit on 17-5-2009 by QueenofWeird]

Originally posted by YoYoBird
reply to post by GorehoundLarry

 

I'm pretty sure they couldn't hang the guy in public. When was the last time you saw your government hang people on the street???

However, they could infect him with something and kill him in front of a bunch of other ufologists to get a point across. That seems a bit more realistic, don't you think?

Uh..how? lol Nobody would know what just happened.

You can't have someone die in front of people to prove a point unless that point is Direct. In this case, this would have been indirect.

Yeah, he died before he spoke of UFOs....so what? What point did that prove? Only point proven is that theorists gobble this story up like it's a Thanksgiving dinner.

Are you telling me that there's no footage of this? Seriously surely someone was filming the conference. And how did the woman manage to spot this in the midst of the chaos? I know I'd be staring straight at the stage.

some links to his interview exerpts:

link

about his death

reply to post by Phage


You're the one crossing the wires (no offense). That article states that he "lectures" on 9/11 and other gov't cover-ups, not specifically at this conference. Then it states that he told the event coordinater he would name the anti-christ in this speech, it doesn't say what else he was going to say.

This is a strange story, but an interesting one at that. Thanks for the Post!