Before WW2, the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag used the Hitler Salute!*Picture*

Pledge History

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

How's that for Scary? Maybe even the shape of things to come?



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If in fact this is true, and I am not stating you are not being truthful, just the source seems weird, then this would be a huge piece of cover-up for America.

Are you absolutely sure that this is not a picture taken from Nazi infiltrator cities where Germans were taught to fit into America, or perhaps someone edited this picture?

I have an extremely hard time believing this picture is real, other than as propangada of some kind.

The Nazi's as well as Russian's were notorious for having whole entire cities set up just like America in order to blend in through training purposes.

It is true, that the Bellamy Salute, modeled after the very same Roman Salute that Fascist Spain, Italy and Germany used leading up and through WWII, was in use as the official salute during the Pledge of Allegiance from 1892 until 1942.

Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Sig Heil salute of Nazi Germany, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on 22 June 1942.

However, which is worse? Saluting as if doing the Roman Military Salute or placing hand on heart like the Roman Senate? Either way, we are just living in the shadow of the remains and distant remembrance of the long perished Roman Empire.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
It's true, the picture is real.

Originally posted by fraterormus
It is true, that the Bellamy Salute, modeled after the very same Roman Salute that Fascist Spain, Italy and Germany used leading up and through WWII, was in use as the official salute during the Pledge of Allegiance from 1892 until 1942.

Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Sig Heil salute of Nazi Germany, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on 22 June 1942.

However, which is worse? Saluting as if doing the Roman Military Salute or placing hand on heart like the Roman Senate? Either way, we are just living in the shadow of the remains and distant remembrance of the long perished Roman Empire.

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Thanks so much for the information. It would have taken me forever to type that all out and it wouldn't have sounded as good.

reply to post by wyleecoyote


With all due respect, quoting what someone else has said, does not make something true.

Finding original source materials to back up your assertions and commentary, to make sure your statements are not mere speculation, is what it takes to make a long-term as well as high-quality contributor here on ATS.

If I may make a gentle suggestion?

Check out this thread here and find a few ideas of how to pump up this thread.

Making High-Quality Threads : Ask and I'll Point You In The Right Direction

Again, I am not stating you are not being truthful, but facts, references, and information provide proof.


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if you ask me they were still Fascists for MAKING everyone in the class recite it no matter what hand gesture was used. mind you this was in the 80's and I dont know if they even do this anymore

At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side. – From The Youth’s Companion, 65 (1892): 446–447

From Wikipedia:

The Bellamy salute is the hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. The gesture was derived from the Roman salute. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day":

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It seems it doesn't really matter what my references are, the only people that don't get flamed seem to be those with tons of points. I thought you'd appreciate his contribution with all of the points over anything I had to say, when he was correct.

I post my own pics I get called a liar, I post a link to Wikipedia, someone says they wouldn't believe anything they say... But here you go, have at me!

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Okay, I think you misunderstand my intent, behind the words I stated.

So, I'll will try again.

Here on ATS, members seek knowledge in order to deny ignorance, I am one of those same said members.

So, all I was attempting to point out to you, is that you might want to consider strenghtening your point of the original post, in order for you to become a long-term member.

I was, by my own words, attempting to assist you, towards that end.

No offense was meant, no offense was given.

I was instead giving you a nudge in the right direction.

MODS

Please delete this post. I am new and didn't know I didn't have enough reference or facts to back up what I presented in the post. Sorry.

Thank you

The ``socialist`` movement changed it's name after the communist revolution and change it's name and slogan to promote ``democracy``... because America is NOT a democracy, it's a republic. But most americans believe america is a democracy... the whole democracy talk started during WW2 with the whole ``arsenal of democracy`` ... even if the US isn't a democracy.

Anyway, america and the EU ARE the 4th reich.. so the nazi salute ain't a big surprise.

very interesting!

I was completely unaware of the Bellamy salute.

thanks for this thread Wylee, I learned something new, and it isn't some crazy unsubstatiated BS like 2/3rds of the "popular" threads seem to have become.